In big white ghetto land, they like big box stores. Giuliani just wouldn't get that, he thinks bodega.

You don't like what the Richmond police did to protect the MLK day celebrants? You were hoping to see a mano a mano clash? Street fighting man?

I keep forgetting to throw this in with the above and I think it's highly related to the irrational factor here. There are a heckuva lot more bad doctors in this country than bad cops and they do kill and maim TONS more people than police do!  Plus its's often: slowly and miserably  torture them to death, rarely ever making them feel better than before, very often making them feel worse and never to feel well again. And it's too simplistic to call it malpractice, because lots of it is due to iatrogenic practice and the patient goes along with it because you like trust doctors to know what they doing, your mom taught you to. Plenty of them are evil lazy arrogant idiots, though one saving grace is that the younger generation is being taught to finally think more wholistically and listen to the patient's symptoms and not just treat tests

The third-leading cause of death in US most doctors don’t want you to know about

UPDATED WED, FEB 28 2018 Ray Sipherd, special to CNBC.com

• A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000.
• Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.
• Advocates are fighting back, pushing for greater legislation for patient safety [....]

Everyone just has more fear of "authoritarian" when it comes to cops, when actually they aren't seeing that there's a lot of similarity to the doctor job. If you wanna see authoritarian, they both should be seen that way. (And libertarians are actually more logical about this, they're often against both groups..)

P.S. Practice of medicine is most definitely an art more than a science, they don't know so little about how individual human bodies work, it's a joke to call it science.  Again, policing not that different that way, you have to have a talent for certain things.

you're mixing a whole lot of stuff in there that has to do with racism problems but doesn't have a whole lot to do with policing, like voting lines. Tons of destruction over the summer in riots, tons. Lots of downtowns, lots of burning. Concurrent with huge rise in violent crime.

Horrific murder of Arbery was about racism, and lack of prosecution of it, dare we say tolerance of it, not policing.

Apples and oranges: higher percentage of black people are poor than whites and also crowded into living in urban ghettoes where high violent crime naturally occurs, especially in a pandemic. 

Still more white people are shot by police than blacks.

I'm with Yglesias and Biden and even more so with Keisha Lance Bottoms: more police not less have a better chance of helping the situation even with the media stoking individual horror stories. 

People can start businesses, go to work safely, study for college if criminals are not on their streets all the time shooting each other and protesters are not burning their own police cars, police stations and gas stations, attacking CNN and wrecking historic courthouses and preventing people going to court, burning black retired cops alive while they are working as guards.cheering on boogaloo shooters of cops, looting the few decent shops left for people to buy stuff in the hood,

in the end chasing everybody out but the poorest who can't afford to leave and are mostly black.

just because there were huge peaceful mixed crowds protesting, turn a blind eye to what people in those cities saw with their own eyes: the fact the the violence all summer really really did a ton of destruction. Things, and less death yeah sure, not symbolic as the Capitol, but an awful lot of things that people, including many immigrant people, built with blood sweat and tears. Not much happened in the Bronx and Washington Heights that way only because Dominican and Puerto Rican business owners discouraged every evening with baseball bats. Macy's and Manhattan took the brunt of it.

Rule of law across the board against criminal behavior and excuses for it.  Including Abery type thug murderers. So we can have civilized democracy,

I'm not thrilled with the new lax bail laws at all. Lots of BLM type activists fought for them and now guess who is getting the benefit? Goose meet gander. How about rather keeping the accused perps off the streets until tried and shaping up the courts and jails and prison systems so they are more rehabilitative and less punitive and less places for homies to get even more tribal and learn mo better crime?

as as the fear and terror factor goes, you don't think it scares a fucking lot of people when protesters start burning police cars in front of CNN, lefty lawyers throw Molotov cocktails into them in NYC, a nightly hipster mob is given run over a section of the expressway, all of down Kenosha wrecked and it was just starting to make a comeback, now it may never. 

The actual story is about Kenosha, you know. He deserves major kudos for owning up that he actually was reaching for a knife! 

Back to your mixing a whole lot of racial problems into the issue of policing. I think just the opposite, I think policing a better life for poor people, getting danger off their streets, is a smarter way to get somewhere on that front.

Hey, we had it in NYC, for decades, I know. A low crime rate and little tolerance for violence and respect for property helps nearly everyone, lifts all boats. Even if the cops are mostly snotty arrogant white people who don't actually live there. Cause then tourists come from allover the world and do things like take tours of Harlem without a scintilla of fear. And young black kids in segregated nabes learn there are better ways of making money than shouting another dude for his cell phone and get to meet people like tourists from France and China and oh look there's President Bill Clinton stopping to talk before going to his office...POLICING IS WHAT DONE that. And now the 80's are creeping back.