MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Many in New York’s professional and cultural elite have long supported President Obama’s health care plan. But now, to their surprise, thousands of writers, opera singers, music teachers, photographers, doctors, lawyers and others are learning that their health insurance plans are being canceled and they may have to pay more to get comparable coverage, if they can find it.They are part of an unusual informal health insurance system that has developed in New York in which independent practitioners were able to get lower insurance rates through group plans, typically set up by their professional associations or chambers of commerce. That allowed them to avoid the sky-high rates in New York’s individual insurance market, historically among the most expensive in the country.
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For years and years, I had insurance through a writer's group. Premiums went up by a lot every year or every other other year. I never had mental health coverage to speak of. None of my doctors ever participated in the plan.
I wonder how these people chose "their" doctors in the first place? By looking on the list of doctors who participated in their plan and picking one. If they picked their doctor before getting their insurance, then likely as not, that doctor was not participating.
So now, I have good insurance for the first time in 40 years through my wife's place of employment. Once again, the doctor I'd been seeing for 12 years was not a participant. So, I looked at the list and picked a different doctor.
Overall, what these people don't get (at least based on the article) is that their "good time" was based on a pricing structure that assumed other people had an "awful time." An awful time as being barred from having any insurance at all at any price.
Individuals should be grouped into virtual groups for underwriting purposes. Who cares whether they work at the same place or in the same profession?
by Peter Schwartz on Fri, 12/13/2013 - 6:16pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/29/the-health-care-trilemma-how-obamacare-is-changing-insurance-premiums/
A pretty good discussion of the trade-offs between then and now...
by Peter Schwartz on Fri, 12/13/2013 - 7:47pm
No that's not exactly what's going on with what is in the NYT article. Which is the same as my spouse's problem whose policy was canceled as of Dec. 31. I've had more time to investigate now and I understand better what is going on.
He had a PPO, Preferred Provider Network, as I glean many of the people in the article did. He also had it through a group formed like explained in the article. A PPO is where you get full payment by the insurer on their Preferred providers, but if you want to go out of network to see the world's specialist in your rare disease who practices in NJ and not NYC,* or if your optic nerve is screwed up and want to see the only neuropthalmalgist in Manhattan that has an opening sooner than a month before you go blind, you could do so, with their good wishes--and without their approval--and they would reimburse a specified portion of his fee.
Plus their preferred provider network was nationwide and was pretty damn impressive. As a New Yorker, you were covered to see some pretty good specialists in L.A. (This is clearlhy and definitely not the case with exchange policies.They are very localized.)
But all of the NYState exchange plans being offered so far, both in the individual exchange and the business exchange, are HMO's or EPO's, Exclusive Provider Networks, and they are plans with pretty small networks. No PPO's. So far the ones I have looked at it's no going outside of network, just no, not at all. (And if you do so out of pocket, better hide if from them, because they are "managing" all your care and it could cause some trouble with them.) PLUS, with more than one I have seen you must have their approval before seeing a specialist in network. Yes, it's back to ye olde HMO's of pre-Clinton era.
Which will mean when you call for an appointment, the wait might be months, just like in the 80's. Because they are providers who have agreed to accept payments from these plans hoping they get enough volume from it to make ends meet. I'll leave it to people to judge for themselves why some doctors who practice in NYC might want volume so badly that they would enter into these agreements. So far, suffice it to say the plans I have been able to access do not seem to be Castle Connolly top docs.
Furthermore, the selection of insurers in the exchanges, besides each having small networks, is pretty puny in itself. Especially once you subtract the ones that are really Medicaid providers. The way the website works is that once registered, you are only shown the insurers that you qualify for via income.So lots of people who have cancelled policies who don't make low enough to qualify
Furthermore, the unsubsidized prices for these HMO's and EPO's seem to be like 10% to 20% higher than comparable past PPO's, though as you say, it's not always easy to tell, because prices were always being raised every year.
Still, it's very clear with everything Bronze and Silver what the co-pays and deductibles are because that is basically all that the metal colors mean, the percent of the co-pays and deductibles! (And Gold plans are very low deductible or co-pay.) Quality or network is not indicated by the metal colors, just percent cost out of pocket, that's all these color indicators mean, nothing more.
Furthermore, the exchanges opened before insurers could convince more providers to sign up with them. I suspect they were hoping that a mad rush of patients would help them convince more providers to sign up. I don't know about elsewhere, but right now in NYC, this is not happening. It appears that some of the best doctors already have plenty enough to handle with employer-provided health insurance plans, and are even kind of fed up with what they have to do to manage getting paid from those, and are taking a wait-and-see approach to the exchange plans, not signing up.
What many of the people referred to in the NYT article probably don't realize, though, is something that It just learned. If you do not qualify for a subsidy, there is zero reason to bother with the exchanges. That is the only reason to go through the exchange, of which main raison d'etre is to pay the subsidy directly to the insurer (rather than the old fashioned way of having the insured deduct something off their taxes or get a credit on their taxes.) You can buy any of the exchange policies directly from the insurers themselves, same price, same policy, and you can buy any other policy any insurer is offering because they all have to follow ACA rules now. But you must buy before March 31. The open/closed enrollment periods applies to all health insurance policies now, not just exchange policies!
The question is: are insurers still offering lots of other policies too? I already know one company decided to throw all their bets in with the exchange policies and to drop everything else not-employer provided that they were offering, including their PPO policy, but then there are insurers that chose not to be in the exchange. That's the tricky part I haven't gotten into yet. HSA's are still allowed but there are no HSA qualified plans on the individual exchange in NY, and with the small business exchange it's hard to tell because it's sort of a work in progress. It was difficult a few years back for an individual or small business to buy an HSA-qualified plan in NY State because no one wanted to offer them, but that got better when the demand was there.
Insurers no doubt still want to push more people to the exchange policies to see some success, pool-wise, from what they have invested in. I do not have the expertise to figure this out and don't have the time to become an expert. My prediction that brokers who really know all of what is being offered at any moment are going to be worth their weight in gold to anyone over the subsidy income limits.
*I am seeing a lot of complaints in my reading about the geographic limitation being a problem nationwide for many looking at exchange policies. The offerings are limited by county! I haven't a clue why this is. In truth, from looking at NY, I have seen the insurers are offering the same plan and same network in more than one county, so it's not that the pools or networks are limited to 1 county, I suepsect that people are just shocked at the small and exclusionary nature of the networks and therefore think that it's limited that way when it's not necessarily.
by artappraiser on Sat, 12/14/2013 - 12:54am
On the insurers on the NYC part of the NY exchange I can provide some factuals and links for anyone interested.
It took some doing to find this out.
And, BTW, I was told incorrectly by an unhelpful woman on the individual marketplace hot line that I could not find this information out on the website. I called the small business exchange hotline first, and a very helpful young man there told me, among other things, that this was possible, that there was a way to do it, but he wasn't sure how and that I would have to ask them at individual hotline, and he transferred me. I let the transfer ring more than 50 times; no one answered. I called the line directly and the woman who answered after a short wait said that I could register and fill out all the information and apply and then find out what would be offered to me, but that I could not see all the insurers offered in my area because I might not qualify for them all and the prices would differ depending upon whether I got a subsidy. Of course, I knew that already, that they want to "protect" people from seeing what other people might be paying. And I told her. And she said that's the way it has to be. Hope my experience does not mean that the small business hotline is trained to treat people like they're smart and the individual hotline is trained to treat people like they're dumb.
So I searched and found it, like the Small Business line said was possible.
Her are the links to the NYState PDF's showing insurers being offered on the exchange in both Manhattan and the Bronx (I did not check for the other 3 boroughs.) They are identical lists. It is 8 insurers in the Individual Marketplace and there are only 3 insurers in the Small Business Marketplace. Of the 8 in the Individual, 3 have operated in the past as Medicaid managed care and other low income and charity care (Fidelis-which is Catholic, Healthfirst and Metroplus) so I suspect (which may be wrong) that anyone who does not qualify for Medicaid is not shown those. That leaves Affinity, Emblem, Empire, Oscar and United. I talked to Emblem directly. They told me they are only offering an HMO now, and how to look at their providers on their website.
Oscar is a start up by a venture capitalist; as one might expect if one is into stereotypes, they have an aggressively hipster website promoting how one can get free teleconferences (on your Google glasses?) with a primary care doctor anytime you want. And discounts on birth control, acne and asthma care, pain meds, and physical therapy. I wonder what demographic they are targeting; NOT. But then if you look at their "your network," one does start to get concerned should one need that neuropthalmalgist or pancreatitis specialist.
The Small Business Marketplace is easier to use, more public and I was able to get a simple comparison chart for the Bronze plans of all 3 companies. Health Republic, MetroPlus and United, without having to apply (al then possibly not see all the plans anway.)
I printed it out. The annual deductible for an individual for all three is $3,000 and annual out-of-pocket max is the ACA max, $6,350. Until you hit those limits, you pay 50% of doctors' visits in all 3, including primary care doctor and 50% of all outpatient surgery. Actually, all entries on the comparison chart are identical for all 3. So if you're not into further research, what is the info. you can get here before you make your purchase? Apparently that these are 100% identical plans except for the price!
All 3 are limited network HMO's. I have investigated United's network a bit and so far it seems to me that it might be the one in the Manhattan exchanges with the best provider network both in breadth and in quality. And it's also far more expensive than the other two.(The exchange website does not give a hint at the reason for the difference in price.)
These were the quoted unsubsidized prices for Manhattan per month via the Small Business Exchange: $334.11 for Health Republic, $357.11 per month for MetroPlus and $473.25 for United. For bronze plans probably giving lesser coverage than what people in that NYT article were used to.
As far as exchange website info. on provider networks being offered across the whole state in both exchanges, what you can get at the website is this PDF list in tiny print of 19 insurers, their phone numbers and a "provider network url." Some of the urls are easily useful, some are not. To be clear: only a few of the insurers on this list are offering insurance in all parts of the state.
by artappraiser on Sat, 12/14/2013 - 3:29am
Some backgrounders related to things in the above comment:
by artappraiser on Sat, 12/14/2013 - 4:24am
This is useful...
I guess, they are excluding providers whose (high) prices they feel will force them to raise their premiums and copays, etc., and fall short of the goal of keeping the plans "affordable."
I imagine the federal government will be offering more "detailed guidance" on some of these things. They can't simply exclude the best-known and most respected providers in a given area for very long. People will rebel and should.
That said, how are people going to pay these most respected providers (read: more expensive) if they don't have insurance? And if non-exchange policies also have to meet the requirements of ACA, then they aren't likely to include those providers either. Is it possible that employer policies have poorer coverage but greater access to better providers? Does that make sense?
So who will these "most respected providers" have as customers? The five millionaires in town who self-insure? Only folks who get their insurance through work, an option that's also been under severe cost pressures of late as employers cut back, ask for higher contributions, change plans, even exclude people etc.?
Ezra put it well a while back: If you look at the countries where medical costs are under control, they are under control because government controls them. ACA is trying to go with a free market approach, but if the participants don't play nice and we end up with a two-tier system, then there will be trouble.
To be honest, I thought this was all part of the deal. We were going to feed the insurers lots more customers and they, in exchange, were going to do things like not exclude people from their plans. Perhaps the deal didn't cover excluding certain providers, but it should have.
Emma made a good point a while back: Instead of cherry picking, we've expanded the pool to even out the costs. A plan's customers should be underwritten as if they were one big pool. If you have 100,000 policyholders in a plan, then it should be like insuring a company with 100,000 employees.
by Peter Schwartz on Sat, 12/14/2013 - 1:28pm
This is interesting, AA.
I just went on healthcare.gov and found 11 PPOs at the Silver level for me. Not sure what this means relative to your experience in NYC. I believe I've also seen HSAs available, but they are pointless, IMO, unless you're at a higher income level. Otherwise, who has money to put aside for a rainy day or the need for the tax break? I never had enough to put aside for very long, but I did "launder" my medical expenses through the HSA to get the tax break.
As far as the geographic restriction goes, I haven't dug that deeply into it, but never in my life have I had to go out of town for treatment. Perhaps that's because I've been relatively healthy. When I get cancer and need to go to the Mayo clinic, this may change. Since everyone is now so concerned about whether they can keep their own doctor, I don't see why they'll be eager to fly to Kansas City for treatment, unless they need special treatment.
As I say, NONE, ZERO of my doctors have ever been in the two policies available to me over the years in D.C. Just two providers. I did get some out of network benefit, but not a whole lot. So basically, for the past 40 years, I've paid for almost everything out of pocket. Never met the deductible. My insurance was there in case I got cancer or had a heart attack.
So when my wife got a teaching job, we finally got "good" insurance. It pays for a lot more. So here's an ironic story: I've always wanted to go in for a sleep study. For a long time, I was waking up tired, etc. So finally, I have insurance that pays for sleep studies. So I go in, and it turns out, I have sleep apnea, a very dangerous condition. And lo and behold, the insurance also pays for a pretty expensive CPAP machine and regular supplies.
Did "my doctor" whom I love so well discover this very dangerous condition? Did he ask me about my sleep, whether I was waking up tired? No, he did not. And I could see the chagrin on his face when we discussed this. I didn't point fingers at him because I DO think he's a good doctor, and I believe that everyone makes mistakes, but he likes to be "the source" of medical wisdom between us.
Anyway, based on pure money considerations, I decided to leave "my doctor" and find one in network. What's the big deal?
I've been unclear about whether someone could buy a policy outside of the exchange. I guess, based on what you say, they can.
One thing that is supposed to kick in, but may take some time, is competition. Right now, people are still just trying to navigate the thing (though I personally haven't found it that hard), but once they start shopping on the exchange, then presumably, insurers will reduce prices to compete. And once more people go to the exchanges to shop, then more insurers will want into that game.
(Or, we'll find out that competition isn't a driving factor in the purchase of health care or insurance. My contention.)
Offhand, I'm not sure why one would want to buy a policy outside an exchange (technical difficulties aside). That's the old way. Comparisons are even more difficult. You have to contact each insurer separately. You have to figure out how to convert oranges into apples. I suppose IF you have very specific and expensive health care needs, there may be some point in doing so because you'll need highly customized coverage. But other than that...why?
I'm also not clear on why limiting the scope of providers saves the insurance company money. Less paperwork? Less need to rationalize many different ways of charging? I would think that broadening the network would bring more people in. I could see why a Mayo might not want its reimbursements cut, but surely Aetna would not want to exclude a Mayo or a Dr. Kildare.
At bottom, I believe that much of this hoopla is being driven by two big changes which apply across the board: no pre-existing condition exclusions and no caps. I think these are the big cost drivers and are certainly why some people's costs are going up.
I do think that a calculator that allows someone to enter ALL the cost factors that determine the FINAL cost of a policy would be a great idea. At a minimum, you should have access to a policy's formulary or be able to enter your prescriptions into the Web site and see if a plan covers them and how much of their cost. People don't really get all the trade-offs that affect the final cost of a policy.
Klein's article points out the difference between looking at the health care problem from a macro point of view v an individual point of view. An individual's costs may go up while the overall costs we ALL pay may go down. So, you may end up paying more in premiums, but you'll be covered when the "big one" comes no matter how high the bills go. And you'll never go without insurance. And the money other people are saving on premiums will go into the economy and, ultimately, put more money in your pocket from increased economic activity, lower taxes, and lower medical bills. Not trickle, but trickle around.
If we're going to bring down the cost of health care OVERALL--the ultimate driver in all this--then we're going to have to find efficiencies, find cuts, and, in some cases, pay more. But up until now, some people's "good time" has been financed by other people's "awful time." Now, some people will have a somewhat less good time, and other people won't have such an awful time. Equality-ish.
Anyway, good digging, AA.
by Peter Schwartz on Sat, 12/14/2013 - 1:02pm
My guess is that keeping a relatively short list of providers allows the insurer to be the shopper for the best value doctor rather than the insured who would have different priorities. The relatively short list of covered doctors could presumably be adjusted by replacing any doctor that was seen to be hurting the dollar bottom line beyond some arbitrary parameters.
by A Guy Called LULU on Sat, 12/14/2013 - 2:34pm
They don't go about this trying to limit the number of providers! It's the other way around! The providers they have are the only ones interested in doing business with them at the terms and reimbursements they're offering. They say to providers: we're willing to pay this,. take it or leave it. (Example cited above by Kaiser: $60 or $70 per office visit compared to Medicare's $90.
They sell their policy holders as a group to providers, basically. This is why negotiations are ongoing in some cases, and why the sign up problems are so important, as not knowing how many and the age and health of those who will be signing up. They have more bargaining power with providers the more policy holders they have.
And not paying anything at all outside of their own fixed network of providers (unlike PPO's who do reimburse some for outside of network) ready to accept low rates of reimbursement means: fixed costs, more manageable costs, less risk. You can "manage" things like telling your providers that they can't even mention that new more expensive replacement heart valve as an option. That they shouldn't prescribe anything but generics in such and such a class, and don't bother trying to mask that name brand drugt by coding it off label because we have it tagged and simply will not cover it (which probably means they failed at trying to talk that particular drug company down, and the drug company knows they got something hot that fee-for-service insurers are willing to pay full freight for.)
If they are the only game in town, like in New Hampshire, they just really roll over some providers like hospitals and can destroy them-see related links above. Or there is also the example in the links I posted of a children's hospital which caters to really sick children where they are being offered reimbursement rates equal to those for mostly healthy children and feel they just cannot go that low.
Health savings accounts CLEARLY would make much sense for most with exchange policies because all but the gold plans have significant out-of-pocket costs, especially high deductibles that make not having a HSA dumb. The silver plans all have yearly deductibles about equal to the limit you can put in a HSA, and bronze have much higher! If you're someone who has a chronic condition, or plan something like having a baby or surgery, you're going to have to pay that anyway up to and beyond the HSA limit per year, you might as well be paying it from an account that gives you some of it back via your tax return.
You can contribute right before you pay the bill. (You even can tell the provider or insurer-whichever the case may be- that they are just going to have to wait for you to pay until you can get the money into your HSA!) Depending upon tax situation and how long it would take them to pay the payment off, it might even benefit some who would have to pay deductible with a credit card to put a credit card advance in a HSA rather than pay directly with the credit card. I don't know anybody who has a HSA that didn't use all the money in it every year to pay for uncovered required expense; they don't do it for an investment, they do it for the tax benefit of money they have had to spend on deductibles and co-pays and the like, via a couple hundred dollars put in at a time. Only the lucky healthy rich can afford one as an investment! Rather, it's used like a checking account specifically targeted for medical expenses.
But as I said, none of the exchange plans in NY are made to be HSA compatible. Even though they have $2,500 or more yearly deductibles.
by artappraiser on Sat, 12/14/2013 - 5:40pm
I love the discussion here, which is more informed and in depth than any local journalism I've found. In case it's useful to anybody, I was hoping to get more info and posted some musings on Ask Metafilter.
I think a handful of the NY Exchange plans are HSA compatible, only the Empire BCBS plans as far as I can tell, and they aren't otherwise competitive I think. I agree that they all should, at least unsubsidized bronze and silver plans, but also that that HSA yearly limits are well below the out of pocket costs for those same bronze and silver plans. It just doesn't seem like a good fit.
Right now I'm trying to figure out how much it's worth to me to be able to to see a specialist directly, and basically deciding between Health Republic and MetroPlus (which does offer unsubsidized exchange plans, contrary to something mentioned above). Your mention here that medicaid may pay more for doctors visits than other HMOs is the first thing I've seen to make me think that MetroPlus' network may actually be more competitive than Health Republic's Magnacare network.
Anyway thank you for the discussion, and glad to discover this site!
by Tfb (not verified) on Wed, 12/18/2013 - 9:30am