MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Did Trump Do America A Favor?
By barefooted on Fri, 04/06/2018 - 7:37pm |As the results came in on Nov. 8, 2016, liberals quite reasonably felt that they had suffered an absolute cataclysm. But it’s now looking increasingly possible that the election of Donald Trump could be the best thing that has happened to the left and the Democratic Party in decades.
I've been wondering for some time now if Democrats would be as engaged in truly moving our country forward as we are now if Trump hadn't been elected. Would we have rested on our laurels while Republicans continued to hold executive positions all over the country - and likely the Congress? What if ...?
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If the country (and the world) can overcome the Trump years and triumph, we may all breathe not only a sigh of relief, but one of deep satisfaction over a job well done. Beyond that, maybe we'll have even learned a few long-term lessons on how not to repeat this particular mistake..
by barefooted on Fri, 04/06/2018 - 7:46pm
I agree with the assertion that the present administration has motivated liberals to act in a way they would not have done if Clinton had won. But the emphasis on the stalemates that would have ensued if the election had gone the other way misses an important quality of the present experience.
You know you are in a fight when someone hits you in the face.
by moat on Fri, 04/06/2018 - 9:03pm
But it's all about what you do in response.
by barefooted on Fri, 04/06/2018 - 9:12pm
Yes.
Results.
by moat on Fri, 04/06/2018 - 9:24pm
I'm actually more interested in how the public - Democrat, Independent, etc. yes, but also Republican - has responded to the Trump presidency over time. What Congress would have done if Clinton was elected is beside the point, since they would have been the opposing party and expected to obstruct wherever possible (especially with a President Clinton). Yet it matters greatly in our perception of an alternate timeline - and whether it would have been better or worse in the long form. It's that perception that creates a voting mindset.
Whatever you consider an important quality of the present experience, and to me there are many, it's impossible to say if they would have been the same in a Clinton administration; up to and including foreign entanglements old and possibly new.
I'm likely missing your larger point, moat, as I often do. But this -
"You know you are in a fight when someone hits you in the face."
I'm guessing most of us are understanding that right about now.
by barefooted on Fri, 04/06/2018 - 10:18pm
You are right. It is important to articulate an alternate timeline.
The primary difference would have been a continued complacency over the eventual outcome of the culture wars. Confidence that we were headed toward a more open, diverse, and equal society turns out to have been misplaced. That confidence turns out to have been a luxury we weren't really paying for but just putting on the credit card.
by moat on Sat, 04/07/2018 - 9:46am
Kinda related: evangelical leaders fearing some of their brethren will not be inspired to vote (on the other hand, a President Pence would probably please them to no end)
'Concerned' Evangelicals Plan To Meet With Trump As Sex Scandals Swirl
By Sarah McCammon @ NPR.org, April 6
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/06/2018 - 8:43pm
Nah, I don't see it as particularly related at all. No group or "leader" is specifically named, it's planned but nothing's confirmed and despite their (whoever they are) denials that hosting it at Trump's hotel has anything to do with anything that tidbit seems to be the only thing firmed up thus far. Whether previous Trump supporters of any stripe choose to support him going forward isn't the point - though any defections are gladly accepted. ;-)
by barefooted on Fri, 04/06/2018 - 9:00pm
If 2008 didn't wake up post-millennials, 2017/8 has. A Hillary victory may have sidetracked a #MeTo/#TimeIsUp movement, or made it more organic without as much need to protest and still inspiration. Russia might have gotten claws in deeper with no crisis or warning bells. The Courts? Wow in terms of packing them, but more activism in terms of fighting outrageous behavior. State legislatures? Likely the biggest gift. Blacks? Still at the back of the bus waiting for serious solutions. Immigration? Still no adult conversation. Guns? A pkus if you haven't already been shot, though NRA is fighting clawback.
Anyway, next gen will prolly be fighters, and the tech leaders of Silicon Valley are no longer gods.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 04/07/2018 - 1:30am