MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE by Michael Wolraich Order today at Barnes & Noble / Amazon / Books-A-Million / Bookshop |
As the world watches aghast at another US and allies’ attempt to engineer a coup in Venezuela, I would like to offer a few insights from Stephen Kinzer’ provocative chapter, “The deep hurt,” (pp. 227-250) in his book, The True Flag: Theodore Roosevelt, Mark Twain, and the Birth of the American Empire (2017).
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by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 02/13/2019 - 1:51pm
Some stories about current life in Venezuela, I can't even imagine being them, can't wrap my head around what trying to exist day to day must be like. It is a different thing than being being born and raised dirt poor in the worst third world country. Terrible though that is, people born and raised in it and survive have certain survival skills that someone raised in a more developed society do not. It's like they were yanked out of one life and thrown into another, thrown into a lake without knowing how to swim.
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/13/2019 - 6:46pm
An analyst who sounded quite knowledgeable about Venezuela said that Maduro had 9 million hard core supporters in his country of thirty million. I suspect that most of these are people who did in fact grow up dirt poor but were lifted for a while by the Bolivarian revolution.
by A Guy Called LULU on Thu, 02/14/2019 - 10:48am
Perhaps he meant Chavez still has 9 million hard core supporters.
The crash is under Maduro, as you can see below - why would anyone be devoted to him?
He squandered Chavez' work, destroying the subsistence of poor people above all.
Nearly 500% inflation and a drop in oil revenue to 1/10th Chavez' last year.
Bolivar would not be pleased.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 02/14/2019 - 11:27am
Already by Sept. 2018, an emptied country:
I really don't think the world should just stand by when that happens outside of a massive natural disaster and say absolutely nothing like everything is hunky dory. I am fully supportive of other countries showing disapproval when that happens and basically saying: what the fuck is going on? why does it look like all your people feel they need to leave? I don't think peers labeling such a leader as illegitimate is a bridge too far, rather, it's the right thing to do.
Edit to add: It was in March 2018 when UNHCR felt the status of those fleeing should be changed from "Economic Migrant" to "Refugee".
But then I am not of the opinion that the CIA or the USA hegemon influences UNHCR.(If they do, somebody should have checked out that Angelina Jolie took on CIA agent movie roles before they gave her the Special Envoy position. Be kinda blatantly dumb, no?)
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/16/2019 - 12:34am
This is really a positive change. A diet with less meat and more vegetables is much more healthy. Perhaps if this so called "crisis" continues long enough the whole country might become vegetarian. Also there's been a lot of talk about the obesity epidemic. It was Michelle Obama's signature issue. But I think we'd have to admit that for all her work the initiative failed. Maduro has seem incredible success combating the obesity epidemic in Venezuela.
by ocean-kat on Thu, 02/14/2019 - 11:55am
Finally someone else recognizes that french fries are a vegetable (not the catsup)
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 02/14/2019 - 1:19pm
Will you support genocide in Venezuela?: Congress meber challenges notorious coup-monger Elliott Abrams.
Did anyone in that room doubt the honest answer that was never given?
by A Guy Called LULU on Thu, 02/14/2019 - 9:05am
Why Are They Really Mad At Ilhan Omar? What does being a woman of color have to do with it? She said no more than other critics of American policy in the Middle East. Marc Steiner, Charles Lenchner, and Phyllis Bennis discuss the issue. Twenty-three minute video.
by A Guy Called LULU on Thu, 02/14/2019 - 10:39am
Which Democrats support a coup?
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 02/14/2019 - 10:59am
Every God damned one of them who explicitly did so, like Biden, but also every one of them whose lack of objection to the U.S. government support of the coup is de facto support.
by A Guy Called LULU on Thu, 02/14/2019 - 11:17am
I thought Democrats opposed military action
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-congress-wont-support-military-intervention-venezuela-engel-162834977--sector.html
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 02/14/2019 - 11:49am
I could be wrong, but given the reference to Biden, what I read Lulu meaning by "coup" is not regarding any possible future military action, but support for the U.S. led international effort to get Maduro to give up power. By not recognizing him as the legitimate winner of the elections and sanctions etc. And probably also meaning covert support for Maduro's enemies. And that to him most Dems are a big fail on this.
I actually see you alike in that Lulu's tribe has "never forgive, never forget" litmus tests at least as strict as yours. His is about "meddling" in other countries, and he has many times voiced that very few Dem candidates have ever been pure enough for his standards. Further I have seen him express excitement about Libertarian and third party candidates that express an isolationist attitude and he seems willing to ignore other non-liberal parts of their agenda if they do so, including any racist tendencies.
Your tribe has tests about all manner of decades-old racist activity. His tests for things like 15-yr. old support for the Iraq war ("fuck Bill Kristol"), late 1980's involvement in Iran Contra, early 1970's support for the Vietnam war, or just generally believing the CIA. Those looking for his votes really have to do more than apologize or say they were wrong, they have to prove they've reformed to a different way of thinking. Both don't seem to trust that people can change nor that they can be welcomed to be on your side on other things but must be shunned because of not passing the test.
Litmus tests work in parliamentary systems, because the coalitions and negotiating away of principles aren't present during the election. But they are never going to help when there are two big tent parties and lots of voters who put a single issue uber alles.
by artappraiser on Thu, 02/14/2019 - 8:14pm
[Deleted - not going to hijack another thread with identity politics - PP]
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 02/14/2019 - 10:33pm
I am impressed with your first paragraph. You are far closer to the mark than usual. One thing I want to make clear though is that I know what kind of response I could expect from you and PP and how you would allude to it long into the future if I were to link to something published by RT, whether good reporting or not, to make a point. What the article I posted from RT, if I ever were to do so, actually said would be irrelevant to you as usual. As irrelevant to you as the ideas in the subject article of this thread which you have not referred to at all.
That would have been when PP and I both argued that Rand Paul and Ron Paul brought some important issues to the debates which were therefore better because of it. I certainly didn't, and I don't think PP did either, think they would be a good choice for President.
Your third paragraph is crap in several ways but is right in the case of the likes of Kristol:
I missed Kristol's apology. Did he actually make one? Are you saying that he apologized for being a warmongering jerk? Has he apologized for anything? Are you saying his world view has evolved into something we should follow this time? Is Kristol saying that? Is he no longer a neocon, to simplify the point? Is the Martingale gambling scheme a smart way to run foreign policy? Is being a Never-Trumper enough to move him even a single notch above cretin? I pointed out a propagandistic lie he told just the other day on the same damned subject of war crimes. You could have directly corrected me then if you had a defense of what he said. Yes, he will have to prove to me that he has reformed to a new way of thinking before I would agree with anyone who suggested he should be listened to. Kristol's mistakes, which were based on a well documented ideology, were not small and were not inconsequential. Maybe you really think he has been right all along but are you actually suggesting that his ideology that guided his evangelism has changed? I don't see the evidence and until I do, Fuck Bill Kristol.
by A Guy Called LULU on Thu, 02/14/2019 - 10:44pm
Mho, the answer to your question is suggested in Lulu's new link just above your comment. The evil "They", more honestly known as the Israeli lobby in cahoots with the global capitalist warmongering American/Israeli hegemon. "They" includes the majority of Democrats as well as virtually all Republicans. Omar is being depicted as a brave rare warrior of the suppressed peoples of the world working against the evil "they." She has managed to infiltrate the system but "They" will probably silence her soon, like "they" did with all the others, Chavez ,Castro, PLO, etcetera
by artappraiser on Thu, 02/14/2019 - 11:21am
Well, Elliot Abrams is despicable, and the only reason Trump's putting him as point man on this is because he's a motherfucker and he likes to do brazen motherfucking things to piss off the opposition for spite & please his petty base. So just because Ilhan attacks the choice of Abrams doesn't mean much about replacing Maduro - Abrams is simply an ugly symbol of America under Reagan thumbing its nose at human rights and supporting insurgents and governments who're quite happy to slaughter in the hundreds of thousands. Think about that next time they wax theatric over AOC's Green New Deal - they never minded horrid knock-on effects before, even economic ones like their 2008 crash and the recent costly government shutdown.
And then there's Lulu who can never think of anything in terms of real people, only some relationship to ideology and governments of the past & present, the eternal (but lobsided) debate over whether the US is ever justified supporting force abroad, no matter how many other countries join us. People are suffering en masse, Lulu - doesn't that make you no nevermind, make you think about altering your theories to account for that little detail? If we're going to worry about hundreds of thousands of natives killed in Guatemala, shouldn't we also worry about a poverty rate approaching 90%?
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 02/14/2019 - 11:33am
I do not think you actually listened to the "Real News" segment in which the three Jewish commenters who are all long time committed activists each express total objection to actual antisemitism and give what is, IMHO, a fair treatment of AIPAC and antisemitism both as a tactic and/or a real problem. If you did listen your analysis is poor. No one calls AIPAC or any other Israeli support group "evil".
by A Guy Called LULU on Thu, 02/14/2019 - 11:45am
Interesting that by 1965, Allen Ginsberg had given up on this explanation for all that is wrong with the world: perspective on the United States....as a global bully, enforcing its law upon the world. By just traveling a few places. Since you both travel, must have been the acid. Or Buddhism, or something. Or he just didn't survive long enough to be re-re-educated by Chomsky, Cockburn, et. al.
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/16/2019 - 12:48am
Who ya gonna believe...
Blondie used to suggest sending all kids behind the Iron Curtain for a staycation, cuz in the end it'd be cheaper than all the deprogamming needed.
Being eddycated by 70's punk rockers - "Sheena is a gov lobbyist rocker now..."
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 02/16/2019 - 1:07am
Anne Applebaum today bringing up the old quandarywhich reminds us how isolationism always sounds so dandy in theory--live and let live--right, but then you get the question--why didn't you do something when a whole bunch of people aren't let to live....
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/16/2019 - 1:40pm