MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
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Atlanta police call out sick over charges in fatal shooting
By artappraiser on Sun, 06/21/2020 - 4:59am |
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https://www.tampabay.com/news/nation-world/2020/06/19/atlanta-police-call-out-sick-over-charges-in-fatal-shooting/
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by artappraiser on Sun, 06/21/2020 - 5:15am
Kinda has a point
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 06/21/2020 - 5:29am
His record justifies shooting him in the back for sleeping at a Wendy's drive in?
Edit to add:
A. bullet hit the truck with two men inside who were simply bystanders,
The bystander issue is important considering an NYC Health Department review of police shootings that were never published. 13 people uninvolved in any crime were killed as collateral damage as a result of NYPD actions. 12% of deaths caused by NYPD were collateral damage.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/19/opinion/police-involved-deaths-new-york-city.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 06/21/2020 - 8:24am
He stole a taser from a cop and fired it at him while running. He was out on compassionate release/early parole, but he's doing drugs so passes out in a drivethru. If the stupid fuck ran over a Black woman and her child while driving, would it matter to you? Is America some Disneyland for hopped up morons to you, or do you ever draw lines on acceptable behavior? I pointed out before that the guy complaining about the Karen while walking his dog was actually a heroin addict who sent some prostitutes to beat up his ex-girlfriend for stealing drugs and filmed it, so he's a dangerous as fuck junkie-criminal. How do police protect normal people from these dangerous people while maintaining some non-sadistic composure and respect for human rights? Sandra Bland got pulled over for trying to let a cop car pass And calmly accepted an unfair ticket And verbally eloquently stood up for her rights, but was still arrested, then likely killed. This guy got woken up for being a parolee for child abuse who passed out drugged up in a drivethru then fought with a cop. Subtle difference? How much Jerry Springer did you invest?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 06/21/2020 - 11:53am
Did the stupid fuck run over a woman and her child?
The NYPD bullet hit a truck with two innocent men inside.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 06/21/2020 - 12:39pm
I'm not sure what that has to do with PP's post. Are you saying that it's ok to pass out in a drive through, fight with a cop, steal his taser, and try to shoot the cop with it because an NYPD bullet hit a truck with two innocent men inside? This just seems like another of your diversionary tactics designed to avoid a more nuanced and complex discussion of these issues.
by ocean-kat on Sun, 06/21/2020 - 1:52pm
No diversion. No reason for a man being killed by being shot in the back.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 06/21/2020 - 2:27pm
He stole a taser, and turned and fired at the cop. How should the cop have handled it? What if the guy hopped in one of the cars in the queues - what should the cop do then? What if the guy hopped in his own car and drove off? What if he escaped out the back of Wendy's - how to respond then?
Cops have to have a reason for a course if action, even if it's doing nothing. They have to have a followup the suspect's next possible move. What are the specific guidances for the next similar situation? If the guy died of an overdose sitting in his car, what would police responsibility be?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 06/21/2020 - 2:44pm
They had his vehicle license to track him down
He was shot in the back
Edit to add:
Your question brings to mind police shows where the detectives in headquarters know where a felon is located, but instead of having police near the location apprehend the felon, they go running out of the station, get in a vehicle with siren blaring all the way across town to put the felon in cuffs. There are plenty of police officers in Atlanta who could aid in a pursuit.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 06/21/2020 - 9:23pm
Theyre not Keystone Kops
They spent 30 minutes being very polite and professional to a very drunk & confused convict on parole who was drunk driving and fell asleep behind the wheel.
Until the last 15 seconds when the convict flipped the cop on the ground and stole his taser, the cops were doing everything i'd hope George Floyd's arrester would do.aybe také his keys and let him sleep it off in the back seat, but leaving a drunk convicted child abuser out gives the police some liability.
Yes, they could let the guy go who was firing the taser at them. How do you codify this response? If he opened the door of a car in the drivethru line and took a Passenger hostage with a taser point blank to the neck, what Is your Plan B?
[they had his *vehicle* and his *driver's licence*. Did you watch the whole video? It took 7 days for Bernard Goetz to turn himself in in New Hampshire after he walked away thru a NYC metro tunnel.]
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 06/21/2020 - 11:19pm
re: convicted child abuser
That reminded me--all Atlanta cops probably have the notorious "Atlanta child murders" the back of their mind, where PD was constantly accused of not caring that lots of black children were disappearing and being killed. I looked it up and learned something I didn't know > cases reopened March 2019 hoping for answers:
by artappraiser on Mon, 06/22/2020 - 12:33am
There are 130 DUI deaths a year in Georgia. NHTSA claims 10,000 deaths nationwide a year, down from 30,000 thirty years ago. I'm not sure how many have been permanently or temporarily injured. We Lost about a fifth the kids on my block growing up due to drunk accidents, taking others with them too, And i got lucky with the one i was in where the driver flipped the car with 5 of US, no seatbelts - fortunately not running into someone else as well.
So I just spent 40 minutes watching this video trying to see what I would do different, them being totally polite with a totally smashed & confused driver that fell asleep behind the wheel *twice*. It looked like the first cop might let the guy sleep it off, but he sounded risky, as if he thought he could handle a car. Perhaps they could have taken his keys and let him sleep it off. Putting the handcuffs on the guy seemed too abrupt, but if he gave warning, the guy would have likely bolted anyway.
https://youtu.be/DhdpG2XzRXQ
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 06/21/2020 - 2:37pm
I have seen you state that police unions are the main problem and nothing will be solved without tending to them.
Well, a reminder from the Serpico news thread
by artappraiser on Sun, 06/21/2020 - 2:43pm
So Atlanta represents the situation in the entire country?
CNN
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/opinions/police-unions-impede-reform-clarke/index.html
NPR
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/10/874246771/the-power-of-police-unions
USATODAY
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/12/george-floyd-police-unions-stand-way-reform-experts-say/5347136002/
THE CONVERSATION
https://theconversation.com/police-unions-are-one-of-the-biggest-obstacles-to-transforming-policing-140227
I stand by my statement.
Edit to add:
In Atlanta, Mayor Lance Bottoms got the police a pay raise. When officers are held to account, the police officers do a work slowdown
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 06/21/2020 - 10:04pm
As that Black Georgia Sheriff noted, when you put 1 cuff on, an apprehendee will flee, fight, or comply. This guy fought and fled. A payraise wont help if cops think acting professional with dangerous criminals just sets them up for murder charges. How much of a payraise Is worth 20 years in jail And losing your job?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 06/21/2020 - 11:36pm
Yeah, especially if you combine this info. with the full video of what happened, which I had watched.
I am wondering whether it's true they had access to his full record on site. That makes a difference. If I was on the jury it would certainly make a big difference to me.
So far it sounds like the prosecutor is in danger of going overboard on the charges. We'll see.
Sure seems more likely the female Police Chief resigned right away cause she didn't want to deal with a real mess and she knew it was one. I would do the same in her position.
Found it interesting in the other reports above about new protests and police interaction (admittedly not verified), there is one this one unusual example of "thin blue line" behavior: black cops responding told white officer who was part of response to get his face out of there, let us black guys handle this one.
Saw one article that expressed well what's at stake. Many conservative outlets already making a big deal out of all the police trouble happening in blue cities with blue governments. Atlanta one ups that, it's the showcase "Afro-American success story" city. I think that's the true political agenda that's involved here, much invested in "success story."
by artappraiser on Sun, 06/21/2020 - 2:01pm
When they ran his name (i think before he found his licence), i heard a big bell or whoop-whoop, which made me think it was a warning of some problem detected.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 06/21/2020 - 2:48pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 06/22/2020 - 7:39pm
Reading sev Malcolm Gladwell books, and the breakdown's useful.
1) you have a standoff, friendly enough, that lasts 30-35 minutes before 15 Ir fewer critical seconds. All players are tired, observance worn out by the time they actually need it (incl the suspect doing leg stands, etc. while worrying about going to jail.
2) Gladwell talks about experience pilots making bizarre wrong decisions when tired. Same applies here to all players. Adrenalin is exhausting too for the Black guy - He must be scared shitless despite being sleepy And groggy.
3) there are 2 pieces of new info in 35 minutes - whether the car was stolen, and whether he's got a record. It seems unlikely the 1st cop would let him sleep it off, so it's really deciding when's the time to cuff him over an excrutiatingly polite charade - and everyone knows it. Still, what options Are there?
4) how to reduce the fight or flight - can they ask a suspect to cuff him/herself while maintaining strategic distance? Seems unlikely in many cases - refusal then means harder to subdue except through tasers or guns. Some kind of bolero around legs seems less medically dangerous, but easier said than Done, plus i dont know requirements to inform before cuffing someone -can it be surprise, or only with information?
5) the amount of man-hours spent on such cases Is incredible. To then go downtown, book and file a report, gonzo.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 06/23/2020 - 5:24am