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Protests breaching the Capitol
By artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 1:22pm |
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by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 1:23pm
meanwhile, RIGHT NOW McConnell is giving a very emotional speech to the joint session against the challenge to the election, his voice is breaking sometimes...he just said if they overrule it could damage our republic forever and that this election was not even particularly close...that if we do this our democracy will go into a death spiral,
it's actually quite incredible!
very melodramatic
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 1:26pm
this is turning out to be quite a day for the history books! the floor speeches going on right now so far are actually just like some of the main ones you read about in high school history! Some, like Cruz like now, are no doubt insincere phony play actin'. BUT STILL--
Michael Beschloss on the McConnell speech:
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 1:46pm
with a minute to think on McConnell's speech for a minute, it was very much all about "state's rights" conservatism, that the states decisions are like the holy grail and it would be heresy to challenge. Toomey is making similar arguments right now, also in support of the Electoral College being separate from Congress' influence, that is "states rights" too. He is very eloquent about it.
ANYHEW that these speeches are going on just fine is proof that the Capital police are handling the protesters just fine. Though CNN is reporting that the have put the Capitol building is in lockdown at the moment, that no one is allowed to leave.
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 1:59pm
The speeches continue
What is occurring is not "just fine"
You would have a much different tone if BLM was directing the assault.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 2:01pm
for chrissake denial is a river in egypt?
police stations and cars have been burned, looting galore, portland fed buildings under siege for weeks moms have to come in, tons of statues owned by the public expensively damaged or destroyed, lots and lots of arson including fed indictments, possible bombings, etc. etc
this in particular.looks to me EXACTLY like lots of lefty protests like I have seen since May.
enough about this already, I'm done except to say
it's very clear to me that only one you are hurting with your revisionist blindness about what has been going on in this country since May only hurts one person: you! If you can't see the bad effect the more violent protests from the left have done (and purposeful if by anarchists! they want to inspire revolution) you can't properly make wise political judgments.
The actual damage to property that righty protesters have done overall is far far far less than lefty protesters.
And right now: just like Portland protesters had no right to breach and damage federal property, just like left wing protesters have no right to breach the Wisconsin state capitol and destroy statues on top of it, righty protesters have no right to breach the U.S.capitol. Everything they are doing are things lefties have already defended this year. The left has shown the way and what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 2:19pm
You were outraged at the "lefties" but now breaching the Capitol shows "everything" is OK
I never said people who broke the law should not be arrested.
You are downplaying the current violence
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 2:28pm
How many buildings have these protesters burned? How many stores have been looted?
by ocean-kat on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 2:30pm
Attempted coup = violent protest
Did I ever say that protesters who committed violent acts should not be arrested?
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 2:38pm
you didn't really read a lot of the protest signs and the grafitti on federal buildings in summer, did you?
You didn't read how some of those in Portland, Chicago, etc. wanted to take the local government down? How others wanted to take the Federal government down?
How courts in some southern cities had to close to business because of protests?
How arson was attemted on federal buildings in more than one city?
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 2:48pm
These people were invited to D.C. to pressure members of Congress. The pressure to be applied was to get members of Congress to refuse to certify to results of the Electoral College. The goal is a coup. I view that as much different than local protests.
You obviously disagree.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 2:56pm
no, I am trying to clue you in on the fact that making excuses for extremists as part any coalition just because they happen to agree with you on one thing, this doesn't work out well. Over and over and over in history, this just doesn't work. You end up with the what's good for the goose is good for the gander thing, and then civilization goes all to heck.
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 3:01pm
What is happening now is a coup attempt.
Trump invited these people to D.C.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 3:06pm
Trump in video this afternoon to rioters, says "We love you, you are very special people"
Trump is like the kid in High School who eggs on two classmates into a fight, and then takes off when he vice principal arrives. He's a vile man and a coward.
If the GOP doesn't invoke the 25th on him no telling what hell do next.
by NCD on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 5:50pm
ocean-kat, one reason I think the prosecution of the Proud Boys leader is so interesting is that tearing down a Black Lives Matter banner or artwork in protest is no different than tearing down a statue where you don't like its message.
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 2:41pm
Or the smashing of the Breonna Taylor statue. How is that wrong? Isn't that what we do to statues we don't like?
by ocean-kat on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 2:46pm
What is happening today is about a coup.
They were invited to the city by Trump to create havoc
The leftie protesters did not make them do it.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 2:58pm
AND it's going to eventually backfire on Trump BIG TIME! THINK ABOUT THAT, I MEAN REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT! How these kind of protests backfire! HUH? HUH? Why can't you get that?! You think doing it for another reason is okay, you find excuses. Well, other people don't buy your excuses. (Such as: people who vote for Biden for presiden-like maybe Latino business owners) t because he says we need more police, not less, but vote for "law and order" Republicans down ticket.)
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 3:08pm
I don't care if you agree with me.
This is an attempt at a coup.
I am not a lawyer, so I am not sure if Trump would need Congressional approval to declare Martial Law.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 3:41pm
Sarcastic snarky Gen X blogger recently freed from muzzling disses Beschloss' attempt at romantic historic narrative:
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 2:36pm
what Rudy said to inspire
Mr. Lawr n'Order basically doing a "to the barricades thing"
the protesting group broke off from the rally and broke through to the Capitol grounds this way:
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 1:40pm
We don't have estimates of how many people are in DC for these protests but it's referred to in news reports as hundreds or thousands not tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands. The Women's March against Trump was estimated as 500,000.
This is just a fringe group of little consequence. Lots of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 1:48pm
cops actually made big mistake not reinforcing a line around the capitol building land with a lot more manpower, then none of this dramatic stuff would have happened, all of any interaction would have just happened on the road.
Is the same thing Feds got criticized for doing in Portland, though, making a line of force outside a federal building.
You just gotta do it when there's anti-fed protests, because those buildings belong to everyone.
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 3:16pm
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 3:21pm
While there may have been thousands or even tens of thousands there most weren't willing to fight to get into the capitol. While they may have occupied the territory after those willing to fight moved forward they weren't there for the fight. In every video I saw there were at most a couple of hundred confronting the police who were so few they were over whelmed. If the police numbers weren't so meager those couple of hundred could have been stopped.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 4:57pm
Had that Reality Show feel.
Fewer ppl & cops = more photo ops, confrontation
Was this scripted?
What do Roger Stone & Rudy Giuliani's phones say?
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 5:06pm
yes and I think that is an important point just totally blown aside by the drama of the storming of the Bastille: most of the "Stop the Steal" crowd was law abiding and not dangerous at all. To the point where if law enforcement had properly ringed the whole perimeter of the Capitol with riot-gearing wearing officers and vans of swat team equipment, it would have been ridiculed by many including anti-police lefties and free speech on the street absolutists.
I posted on the "Capitol breached" thead a joke that was tweeted right as it started happening, I think it still applies, it was by German Lopez, retweeted by Yglesias, it's gone now, either deleted by Lopez himself or by Twitter. It was snark about the very common BLM-supporting comment like "but but but the majority of the protesters are peaceful". Neither side takes the danger of mobs forming during protests seriously enough. It's like oh they were just a bunch of renegades. Same thing with the storming of the Bastille or the Boston Massacre for that matter! Just a bunch of rioters and/or upstarts is all it takes.
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 5:55pm
what's good for the goose is good for the gander
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 2:02pm
Somebody heard Giuliani say that every cult member who gets arrested in the coup plot will receive a Presidential pardon, a Presidential Medal of Freedom and a signed MAGA hat in a ceremony just before noon on Jan. 20..!
WORTH IT!
by NCD on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 2:16pm
you so funny!
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 2:22pm
but I would like to add that with the latest on CNN I am just getting strong Tea Party Dejas Vus Allover again with the marching around the statuary hall yellin and waving Trump flags. If I was really really old I suppose I would say it's also very Jacksonian
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 2:26pm
More like Aaron Burr, shot Hamilton on 5th Avenue, in service to a foreign power, organized a band of grifting troublemakers for a failed land grab, tried for treason, fled the country, and as an impecunious aging drifter married a rich heiress...?
by NCD on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 2:50pm
sounds good, you should try tweeting Beschloss! he's getting lazy, needs more inspiration!
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 2:55pm
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 2:50pm
Defense Dept Trump toadies waiting for Trump's requests, not DC government.
Trump's plan.... goad on the cult, wait until protestors break into capitol then declare martial law..order 3 week recess of Congress..?
by NCD on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 2:54pm
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 3:10pm
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 3:12pm
CNN is reporting from on the ground that "the troops" have just arrived and they are "about to take control of the situation". I didn't hear who they are, I don't think he meant they are military. It's some kind of police in white vehicles and they got out with gas masks on. Everyone is no doubt going to get gassed shortly, hence also lockdown inside the building. They got the protestors who were inside outside and now there's going to be tear gas. There is a little sense of a plan starting to show.
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 3:25pm
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 3:25pm
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 3:47pm
^ Biden just mentioned this photo in his speech still going on
by artappraiser on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 1:55pm
Virginia police show up while National Guard is "on the way".
We'll remember. (Thanks, Richmond)
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 4:13pm
Order the Acting SecDef to Capitol HIll *NOW* to testify about this shitshow.
Why is he even Acting? I guess by being confirmed for Antiterrorism Council he meets the "prior Senate confirmation" requirement to act. However...
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 5:24pm
actually, seeing this tweet made me realize all the talk about DOD not appropriate, what happened/may happen similar in the future is the province of Homeland Security:
I would think it is actually pretty appropriate for DOD to decline to get involved.
For the same reason, Homeland Security "goons" were sent to help protect the Federal Courthouse in Portland, when some saw the local police as incapable. And everyone on the left complained. Undercover FBI of course, were out there, too. It is their job, like it or not, that is why they have always infiltrated protest "movements" that have potential for violence (and they did get quite a few indictments.) We have freedom of speech, including hate speech and angry speech, but we don't have freedom of acting it out, not if what we want to do is against the law.
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 8:27pm
Speed impeachment?
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 3:24pm
I'm no constitutional lawyer, just another citizen who was watching events on the teevee, and maybe I misinterpreted things, but it seems to me that before even getting into all of that, Mr. Giuliani should be arrested--seems so clear the way I saw things is that he called for physical revolt and then quite shortly after that part of the crowd obeyed and went and stormed the Capitol? Just sayin'
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 4:16pm
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 6:41pm
It can't not be read symbolically, people will read it as such whether one wants them to or not:
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 3:32pm
but as far as Trump's own interests, it will backfire big time, no more "humoring":
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 3:36pm
he is United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York and a Republican
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 3:41pm
Wolf Blitzer just said National Guard from Maryland and also ? (didn't hear the second unit name) are on the way.
Reporter says multiple Capitol police officers have been injured, at least one transferred to the hospital and they sent a distress call. The riot police, which I mentioned upthread, came first and the National Guard is on the way.
My thoughts: So perhaps all the criticism about the cops on duty being as tough as they were on lefty protests is a bit unwarranted, they were overwhelmed and did not have suitable numbers to "be tough". Planning for the day's events by higher ups, though, was obviously very poor, whether intentional or just error. As I said upthread, all of the drama of the Capitol building could have been avoided if they had installed a tougher line on the grounds themselves, hundreds of yards away. Then all the "action" between protesters and police, if there was any, would have happened "out there". And the symbolic effect would have been much more limited.
But they did not expect that breach of the grounds in back as illustrated in the video I posted upthread, that they are reporting on CNN, too.
My take is that the prejudice involved would be in that they did not expect these protesters to get as violent and law breaking as they do expect from lefty protesters.
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 3:56pm
Biden on television asking Trump to calm things down
Reminds us this an insurrection
A real President
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 4:02pm
Trump has validated his supporters right to invade the Capitol and create havoc with his lies on the election.
Trump is actually afraid of his mob, He knows they cannot be controlled. If he was in front of them and asked or demanded they stop, they would ignore him, push him aside or walk over him.
by NCD on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 6:00pm
Biden is speaking live.
He has challenged Trump to go on live TV immediately and denounce this.
He is basically addressing the importance of the symbolic to the world as well as the country here.The fragility of democracy, etc. "COMMON GOOD" "think of the what the rest of the world is thinking" "America is so much better than this" quoting Lincoln on chaos etc.
I am sure a video will be up allover the place as soon as he finishes.
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 4:04pm
finished with reinforcing the challenge "so President Trump, step up!" followed with the usual god bless america, our troops etc.
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 4:06pm
response from Trump was a very very short video taken outside the White House, about two sentences. Saying nothing much except that he feels protesters pain but telling them to "go home."
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 4:19pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 4:10pm
Just a historic reminder because I keep hearing people say stuff stuff like "unprecedented" breach of the Capitol, um excuse me, what about
1954 United States Capitol shooting
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 4:44pm
ok the mayor has declared a curfew, 6 pm to 6 am. Just wondering if am I going to hear complaints that that is unreasonable and unfair and how it's not a big deal if protesters don't obey it and they shouldn't send in thugs to make people go home?
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 4:48pm
Right. There is no difference between prior protests and a President calling in his own thugs to intimidate legislators who are there to certify an election.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 5:35pm
People who notice the coup attempt
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/congress-electoral-college-vote-count-2021/h_eed8c8ac9a408646998937a9da353acf
Tammy Duckworth and others
https://people.com/politics/lawmakers-denounce-donald-trump-and-his-supporters-coup-attempt-at-u-s-capitol-building/
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/attempted-coup/617570/
Different than a violent protest
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 5:47pm
Please - a few hundred ppl break into the Capitol is a "coup"? No tanks, no grabbing leaders? These folk just wanna get noticed, run their aggrievememt, victimhood campaign. I mean, I'm sure there's another building big enough to host vote certification. And any grandstanding about Repubs opposing certs? All the energy got sucked out of that for sure - didn't quite gain sympathy from core GOP, I imagine, other than the most lockstep.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 6:00pm
Obviously, you are free to your opinion.
Here is what the Kansas City Star said about the coup attempt
https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/editorials/article248317375.html
I agree with the editors at the Kansas City Star on this issue.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 7:49pm
The acts were reprehensible, criminal, and an attempt to override the will of a democratic process. But there was nothing to be gained from it as a direct seizure of power. I hear the suggestion that it could be a prelude to something like that. But this ain't it.
by moat on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 7:56pm
The terrorists came to "Sto the Steal".
They stormed the Capitol
They came to stop the certification of an election
The goal was to keep Trump in power
From the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/06/trump-mob-storm-capitol-washington-coup-attempt
The coup failed
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 8:28pm
I get the intention of performance as an idea. I am not interested in apologizing for anybody involved or explaining their motivations.
But performing a successful overtaking of the state by means of violence is its own thing that should not be mixed up with other things. A coup would require people ready to replace other people in the moment. These people just want to get to their hotels before it is too late to get the free breakfast the next day.
by moat on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 8:47pm
The venture had little chance of success. Replacements would not be needed as the political toadies are already in place at various agencies.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 9:05pm
You prove my case. The reliance upon the existing order makes the pretend coup an art project compared to those who actually seize power.
by moat on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 9:17pm
If an authoritarian lost an election, they would use the same tactics to retain power. The vote was fraudulent/stolen. Intimidate current legislators. Find boxes of stolen votes. Claim victory. His people would already be in place in the government.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 9:24pm
No, an authoritarian would skip the show pieces (mostly) and focus on acts that actually diatup and transfer/hold power. I don't even want to describe what those might be, cuz i don't need to give the wannabes any ideas, but a real vile politician has an idea what they are - not Donald & Followers' reality show. If curious, you can look at actual coups elsewhere to see how it's done
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 1:48am
I will keep the term coup.
It fits in with the current use of the word
From Mashable
https://mashable.com/article/capitol-riot-trump-election-social-media/
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 8:04am
They said it on the internet - must be right.
Oh, white supremacy is the big focus on "what poisons America". Good to know.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 10:04am
I gave links to multiple publications using the term coup
I did not rely on tweet snippets
As I said, you are free to express your opinion
I provide links to note that my position is not an uncommon one.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 10:10am
The key difference from the authoritarian you describe and the Congressional theater happening here is that the legislators involved don't want the results of the election changed. They want to inherit the zombie army Trump assembled for their own purposes.
Suppose that the process somehow ended up having Trump declared the victor by Pence. It is difficult to imagine how that outcome could happen but set that problem aside for the moment. This would lead to a crisis of governance where many people in power would not accept the result. A coup would require stripping that power through the assertion of martial law. That means having enough military people on your side to make it work. When people start resisting that move, political prisoners are taken or killed for demonstration purposes.
by moat on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 12:56pm
Trump people were willing to storm the Capitol
Pipe bombs were left.
Trump is not going way quietly, even when Biden takes office.
Republicans will get to work on gerrymandering
The stage will be set for Act II
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 1:30pm
Direct text from Trump's insurrection video:
“I know your pain. I know your hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side,” Trump falsely stated before telling his followers to go home. He then went straight back at it, lamenting, “There's never been a time where such a thing happened, where they could take it away from all of us—from me, from you, from our country.” And finally, “So go home. We love you. You're very special,” Trump concluded.
Aaron Rupar tweeted his sources in White House say Trump has gone completely insane. Pence ordered in the National Guard, possibly implementing a shadow 25th Amendment.
by NCD on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 9:02pm
All these people should be arrested and jailed. Just as those from BLM should have been arrested and jailed when they engaged in violence, looting and burning.
It was a coup attempt by definition. But it was really more like a performance art coup than an actual coup attempt.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 10:04pm
When BLM came to DC, there were rows of riot police on the steps of the Capitol for protection. They were tear gassed and hit with rubber bullets early on.
Trump supporters were able to breach the Capitol because they were treated with kid's gloves.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/01/06/us-capitol-attack-compared-response-black-lives-matter-protests/6570528002/
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 8:48am
Similar observation here
https://www.thedailybeast.com/black-protests-get-policed-like-riots-washingtons-white-riot-hardly-got-policed-at-all?ref=home
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 9:40am
Joe Scarborough
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-scarborough-f-bomb-donald-trump-capitol-riot_n_5ff6fc1fc5b64e568bf4cbf8
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 10:06am
good questions:
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 4:56pm
The situation is still unfolding and hopefully doesn't lead to something really awful.
Apart from who and what egged these people on and any criticism that might be appropriately directed toward those in charge of security, the sheer purposelessness of the stunt as a means to an end blows my tiny mind. The place is just a building. If I was King, I would let anybody who wants to come in do so after it was evacuated and then lock the doors so they couldn't get out. When they get hungry, offer them a sandwich to eat on their way to jail.
While this is underway, hold the interrupted certification in another place, perhaps in the parking lot of a Landscaping Company or inside a Walmart. The thing the Brits learned slowly after two Revolutionary Wars was that when you burn one building down, the damn Americans throw the party in another one.
by moat on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 5:08pm
some major irony to go with your comment, moat (and from a Tory, yet!)
reminds me when I worked for a company with a British CEO, he always was half-joking half-serious complaining about why in the NY office we had to take a July 4 holiday.
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 5:34pm
just some pieces of ceremonial paper
-could take a while to replace them, tho:
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 5:07pm
Like, I saw that coming yesterday - figgered it was a major goal of the protests.
Am I a stable genius? (nought from nought is nought, carry the nought...
making good use of 12 years of schoolin'/6th grade eddykayshun)
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 5:41pm
Someone else saw it coming
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 5:48pm
Omar's initial big picture thoughts (he's a historian of American protestin')
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 5:15pm
Wasow makes a good point that violence and intimidation are crocheted into the fabric of our history. I am not sure this incident is a good example of it. There is a confidence in these protesters that they would not be shot on sight inside the building. For all the bravado displayed, they were counting on restrained rules of engagement. It is just like those camouflaged fucks prancing around in state houses with impunity.
I just came back from my local bodega with some beer. The owner told me that if this happened in "his" country, automatic weapons would have cleared the porches once the warning shots were ignored. I am glad that is not happening here. It is not wise to call out "bring it on" to such groups. But I have to admit the desire is there. Never start a fight you are not willing to finish.
by moat on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 6:06pm
It is amusing to watch protesters moll about like at a swap meet at the race track. Battleship Potemkin was a bit more engaged.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 6:17pm
Hey Moat, speaking of bodegas, haciendas and fincas, what do you think about my "Caudillo Theory" about Hispanics' political affections and mysterious (to most analysts & observers) voting patterns?
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 1:51am
Pretty pitiful crew in this picture and I just gotta say it: take away the Trump paraphrenalia and they could be transported to the Portland crew tomorrow and fit right in, no one could tell which side they were on:
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 5:21pm
Protest reporter Ford Fischer is on the scene filming if anyone is interested:
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 5:24pm
the anti-MSM sentiment appears pretty strong in this group (this is not the only thing I've seen, seen them verbally harassing CNN reporters here and there as they report)
seems like one of Trump's major legacies which will continue will be the feeding and amping up of that and that it doesn't always just come from Trumpies
should be mentioned that they've also also verbally harassed cops as well as reporters
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 5:43pm
Some good closeups for the court cases.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 5:42pm
President George Bush has finally had enough to break away from his artistic career and say something; click for picture of full statement if it doesn't load:
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 8:04pm
Obama statement; click on if you don't see image of full statement:
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 8:12pm
Is like Frank's never been in Manhattan when there's major protest movement or an attack by terrorists going on or even a massive pandemic killing thousands of people:
here lately they just leave the blue barricades out on the street rather than take them back to the warehouse.
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 8:36pm
https://www.britannica.com/event/Beer-Hall-Putsch
by OrionXP (not verified) on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 9:30pm
If you're interested in tweets about it from world leaders, this is the link to check out
World leaders condemn 'disgraceful' scenes at US Capitol
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 10:05pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 10:50pm
Ford Fischer's full report
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 10:54pm
Mayor Bowser's televised "public safety update" tonight:
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 10:56pm
this local ABC reporter sort of live tweeted Bowser & Police Chief press conference if you want to know a bit of what was said without watching whole thing:
go to her account by clicking on her name
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 11:28pm
Military leadership would not support Trump's desire to use the military against citizens, so he used the militia
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-mob-violence-fascist-playbook_n_5ff64f8cc5b6ef6b158317d5
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 9:06am