MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Apple Threatens To Ban Parler From App Store; Twitter permanently suspends Trump
By artappraiser on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 6:07pm |This seems MAJOR to me! Almost as if the right-wing-nutso meme makers are being policed into non-existence by the capitalist titans of today ganging up on them in order to maintain economic stability. Now they cannot even use Parler which was created to give them a place at the "try to go viral" table
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by artappraiser on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 6:11pm
Previous highly-related thread, I was tracking all the censorship actions after the Capitol incident that I had run across here:
TRUMP'S TWITTER ACCOUNT TEMPORARILY LOCKED (THE INCITEMENT OF VIOLENCE THING)
including as regards Facebook getting way tougher than Twitter and how hard it must have been for Zuckerberg to decide to do that.
(Also things didn't look too promising for Trump-branded commerce in general...)
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 6:23pm
Meanwhile, hundreds of Twitter employees are agitating for the boss to permanently suspend Trump:
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 6:27pm
Meidas Touch is on board with that:
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 6:40pm
WHERE IS POMPEO? Why is he not defending Trump? Talking of "the second term?"
by NCD on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 7:19pm
HE'S STILL ON TWITTER! Apparently Master-of-the-Universe Jack feels he has been behaving himself enough to stay.
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 7:27pm
not only that, but I see that 4 hrs. ago he says he is proud to work with Robert O'Brien and calls him a "great patriot" instead of a traitor to Trump for supporting the certification:
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 8:13pm
Twitter also took out Michael Flynn and Sidney Powell, though:
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 10:16pm
DONE, TRUMP IS PERMANENTLY SUSPENDED FROM TWITTER, 1/2 hour ago:
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 6:45pm
important to note:
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 3:33am
So banning someone who is not involved in the planning is a good policy? Who's next?
by Jeff (not verified) on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 9:14am
Maybe if you stopped to formulate a more complex, useful idea to interact with you'd get some traction.
Right now it just looks like you're looking for someone to fuck with, and we have enough of those already.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 9:23am
ISo what planning of violence was Trump involved in? Surely some of you intellect could enlighten all of us.
by Jeff (not verified) on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 11:55am
It was you who proposed the banning was related to evidence of specific planning. But the reason Trump was banned is because he kept saying things that brought more violence because of the influence he has on so many violent people who cite him as the one who authorizes it.
Your conflation is puerile.
by moat on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 3:39pm
Hillary's responsible for a band of Islamic militants 1000km across the Libyan desert
But Trump's not responsible for his own followers leaving his speech and marching 1km down The Mall to attack the Capitol
The buck stops... nowhere?
Glad that position of responsibility comes with no responsibility. (which is why we'll hit 10 million infections and 400,000 deaths under Trump's "leadership" before Joe's sworn in)
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 3:44pm
Then there's GOP "prove it" - funny when Trump was caught on tape *FOR AN HOUR* the week before trying to illegally persuade Georgia's Secretary of State to come up with extra votes to overturn the election.
I mean, this is like "I know you have pictures of me breaking into the house, but prove it was really me" kind of stringalong. We know Flynn was making phone calls to Trump from the Dominican Republic telling him how his illegal sanctions talks with the Russian Ambassador was going. But hey, we only have 628 examples of Trump law breaking - we really need 1023. And you can't use one to prove another - they each must stand in their own time and space, no intent allowed to be inferred. Shameless.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 4:23pm
I'm not going to spend my time gathering examples and quotes of what Trump said and did that shows his incitement to riot. Suffice it to say that those at the rally assumed that he encouraged their actions and gave them permission. There are videos of rioters saying exactly that. It would be a waste of time since you're like the child who puts his hands over his ears and shouts, "I can't hear you. I can't hear you." If he was misunderstood then his supporters are dumb as a brick. And he would have immediately released statements explaining they misunderstood him and encouraging them to stand down.
by ocean-kat on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 4:30pm
Think of Trump as a mob boss.
He doesn't say "Kill Mike Pence"
He says that the election was stolen from "us", and Pence is on their side
He says the only way to change things is to fight.
The thugs at the Capitol come to hang Mike Pence
Trump says that Fauci is a disappointment
Fauci and his family now need protection
Similar words from Trump lead to verbal attacks on Romney and Graham at airports by MAGA crowds.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 4:35pm
That's how despots, authoritarians and fascists chase honest people out of government, and replace them with toadies and corrupt apparatchiks. It was Trump's plan for his ascension to president for life, followed by Don Jr. or Ivanka.
by NCD on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 5:12pm
Jeff knows the truth
He thinks that defenses of Trump still make Liberal heads explode
Liberals have impeached Trump twice
They are also looking for the traitors in Congress who tried to keep Trump in office.
Liberals have pity for Trump supporters
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 6:41pm
Besides Bannon back in, Ali seems to be carrying the Roger Stone flame (not that Roger's out of the picture)
How is it Trump surrounds himself with criminals, yet he's "innocent"?
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 5:17pm
Christian right checks in
Hey Franklin, be sure & check your zipper.
400,000 dead, 4000 a day - almost like the rapture!
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 5:21pm
Rudy in trouble for tapping Russia's Ukraine disinfo operation
But if Trump's making Rudy pay his own bills, will he still get a pardon?
Giuliani Allies Were Part of “Russia-Linked Foreign Influence Network,” US Government Says – Mother Jones
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 5:45pm
Not paying the help has been Trump's thing for decades. Rudy is a New York guy. He has got to know that.
Maybe he thought he was a friend.
by moat on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 6:15pm
Speaking of memes, here's one that's trending
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 8:18pm
Meidas Touch challenges YouTube to step up:
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 9:08pm
Brad certainly is one to always think about how he can make good money off this politics thing!
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 10:08pm
the free speech debate is starting:
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 10:20pm
More, just for example
(ran across only because retweeted by Sree Sreenivasan who lately has become sort of a social media guru, was responsible for the Met Museum of Art's website and then moved on to that after being laid off when he was no longer needed there!)
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 11:08pm
When the right starts fighting for the right for liberals to write articles in Brietbart and the Washington Times. For the Federalist Society to publish work by liberals. And for liberals to have equal time on Alex Jones' site. Then I'll begin to take their complaints seriously.
by ocean-kat on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 1:23am
Diners are private companies, buy we don't want them to deny blacks and Jews and Hispanics and Asians through their "free speech"/right to personal freedom.
We jimmied some non-speech issues into the Commerce clause to better manage preserving people's rights over commerce or meanness.
Growing up I thought the 1st Amendment wasn't just a structure for the Constitution, buy a societal norm where we agreed within limits that letting people voice their opinions even in private venues and face-to-face was a societal norm, not a "stick your tongue out and say "that's only government, dummy". When corporates control mist public and virtual spaces, getting your free speech rocks off in some ghettoized giv-managed space is hardly edifying for most. That said, being forced to listen to someone's "free speech" 24x7 or at the most inconvenient moments can be overwhelming. Still, the ideal if a liberal democracy and a public (though private) square lives on.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 1:49am
er, "no shoes, no shirt, no service"
you're mixing apples and oranges. civil rights laws are about things people can't change, they can change behavior
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 1:57am
As I understand it if you open your business to the public you can't discriminate in the service you're providing to the public.
by ocean-kat on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 2:19am
Not really. The prevailing logic or reality is we want winner-take-all platforms - consumers/citizens don't want Balkanization - they usually want where everyone goes, 1-stop shopping. "Seperate-but-equal" such as Parler has been the exception, but for most still unacceptable.
For years there have been debates about net neutrality and openness. About not treating different kinds of data streams different, or throttling according to source. But there's public hygiene, preventing the Tragedy of the Commons - which includes public speech being used to harrass, incite violence, defame & tell provable lies, etc.
Fox oddly enough has been a kind of Conservative platform, a safe space for radical hysterical conservative thought. But it was less a monopoly platform like Facebook or Twitter. If Apple tells Real Networks or Adobe or WhatsApp they can't do X or Y on its phones or computers, it largely puts them out of business on a huge influential chunk of personal devices - thinly veiled exclusionary terms under the pretense of holding up some supposed standard. Facebook did this opposite last time - secretly enabling the Trump campaign with special APIs and stolen data and ability to invisibly microtarget, while publicly pretending some other standard.
So while Trump and Co very much crossed the line ilwith it's outbursts and stirring up illegal behavior -the last 2 months - even worse than their usual continual lies - there is still concern about deplatforming people in the name of such standards. I personally have had Twitter cut me off for 4 months and then re-cut me off 2 weeks later with *no* explanation except "suspicious" behavior, and then suspend me for a silly joke for 12 hours for a silly joke their idiot censors took as threatening ("hoping Trump gets a bowel disorder to wipe the smirk off his face") while Trump can say much worse, others troll and insult directly, stalk, gang up on people. Yet this is a major thoroughfare it's like we outsourced all our national highways as toll roads, and let the individual operators decide who can drive from NY to DC according to various unreviewed rules - of course you can take the old unmaintained road that takes 2-3 times as long...
So that's part of my thinking and concern on this. Was it Tumbler they put out of business with a lawsuit? What happens when a Murdoch owns Facebook and Twitter? (I still guess Murdoch would be worse than Zuck, but maybe I'm deceiving myself - but still, someone could regulate content and opinion in a much more draconian way, and Congress would do nothing)
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 5:56am
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 6:27am
it's well done, thanks.
this tweet appearing for me on the page below his tweet under "more tweets"--I don't think it's a reply--also reminded me how amero-centric his arguments still are, though. The incitement to violence "rules" on social media came about because some past social media influence on violent activity in third world countries make Jan. 6 here look like a walk in the park. They came about because of some extremely serious results! Those type of "rules" are certainly not just about making a more enjoyable moderated website experience: The big social media companies used worldwide have that hanging over their decisions on this, too
Letting Trump get away with instigating his yahoo fans isn't Rwanda massacre radio, but drawing the line on where to go easy must be hard. That he's a world leader really must be part of the decision, because other world "leaders" are watching.
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 9:19am
Congresswomen in danger - inexcusable
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 9:27am
I don't know where you grew up but I grew up in a country where no one had access to any media. Not a single publication allowed anyone not on their payroll to participate though some would print a carefully selected letter to the editor now and then. The broadcast media was strictly controlled by the government and without their permission you couldn't broadcast on any bandwidth even if you could afford the costly equipment. If you wanted to get your message out you had to pay someone to print what ever number of copies you could afford and distribute it yourself.
Now I can get my views published here or in the comments of the New York Times or on twitter or I can make a face book page or youtube channel. I can get published in print, audio, or video on thousands of sites if I want. Now that private companies are giving us the right to publish for free in ways that were impossible when I was growing up we have to answer the question of how should those private companies deal with the unprecedented vastly increased free speech we now have. Because private media companies in the past did it by censoring everyone, not just several designated provocateurs.
by ocean-kat on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 2:10am
a history note related to your rant
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 5:12am
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 10:22pm
Without his thumbs, Trump is just another old man with eight bloody fingers awkwardly clutching the remote for his TV.
by moat on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 10:07am
Thumbless in Gaza? (Huxley)
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 10:15am
banning IS snowballing allover the place:
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 1:05am
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 1:08am
sigh, Lindsey Graham, unfortunately not banned for threatening Twitter as long as it's not threats of violence:
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 1:44am
Hah:
Aside: reminds me of how I admired IMBD in the past though I haven't used it much lately. There was lots of interesting quality content by readers, and I was kind of mystified by how they accomplished that.
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 2:25am
NYTimes/Tech section story on Parler situation:
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 3:17am
basically castrated by Jack?
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 7:06pm
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 5:00am
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 8:24am
The solidarity between all these services is actually a very encouraging thing right now. It hits me that it's just expressing the will of the majority about standards and norms through the power of the market. If any of them thought it would be more profitable for them in the long term to have more lax standards, they'd do it. Of course many small providers will try to make short term profit by offering alternatives. But they won't grow critical mass.
Makes me think that those crying for "breaking up the big monopolies" of essentially what are utilities need to tread lightly and carefully.
A down side will be continued support for the meme that we have a monster liberal media in charge intent on crushing conservative thought. But it won't grow, it will be small and marginalized. Just as many will float back to the bigger services as find another outlet. Societies will always have radicals (and cults), you can't completely get rid of them. But the majority can marginalize them.
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 12:55pm
Well, they know who has power Jan 20.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 1:46pm
res ipsa loquitor, Twitter is not "censoring" conservatives:
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 2:27pm
Bongino at Parler whining about commie censorship, threatening Google & Apple with..."stay tuned";
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 9:02pm
bye bye Parler, major fail:
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/11/2021 - 3:34am
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/11/2021 - 9:05pm
the 70K QAnon accounts are not 70,000 people:
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 10:06am
What a surprise, there aren't that many very passionate about the fact that Twitter permanently suspended Trump's account:
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/11/2021 - 9:26pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/11/2021 - 11:10pm
Ken White (@PopeHat) retweeted:
which shortly thereafter made me think of the "Citizens United" case! Where corporations have free speech too.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 10:15am
Citizens united was perhaps the last time I agreed with Glenn Greenwald, that stopping citizens from pooling a GoFundMe or similar to protest a candidate seems a violation of basic 1A, even tho it was designed to detail ny candidate, Hillary.
On the other hand, corporations and rich jackasses like Sheldon Adelson avoiding donation limits via shell corps and other games strikes me as heinous and a real problem in politics. Grassroots, not golden showers.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 10:48am
with that, I am now reminded of the screen name of a far lefty member of the bulletin board I moderated circa 2003-2005:
Duct Tape Fatwa
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 11:08pm
Instead of ye olde TV test tone, they're playing this on his channel:
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/13/2021 - 1:02am
Twitter banning Trump undercuts some D.C. lobbyists and consultants
By Lachlan Markay @ Axios.com, Jan. 14
by artappraiser on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 2:04am
Twitter CEO says platform 'faced extraordinary and untenable circumstance' before banning Trump
BY JORDAN WILLIAMS - @ TheHill.com, 01/13/21 09:31 PM EST includes copied tweets at the link
by artappraiser on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 2:32am
What we're attempting to deal with is the end of the gatekeepers where anyone who wants to can publish or broadcast their thoughts. Euphemistically the internet gave everyone a microphone. There was this idea in the beginning, spread mostly by the left, that by eliminating the gatekeepers the best ideas would rise to the top. Dorsey is still holding fast to that idea/ideal. But what actually happened is a significant number of people preferred fiction to truth, and some of the most ridiculous fiction from antivaxers to Qanon. This has significant negative societal consequences that go way beyond some lone wolf nut job going armed into a pizzeria to search the non-existent basement to find the children of Hillary and the democrat's pedophile sex ring. It can be used to incite a riot and an insurrection that could have resulted in politicians being paraded in public and murdered.
I don't know what can be done about this problem but it doesn't seem to me that the solution to the problem of the unprecedented amount of free speech of the internet is more free speech when it seems like those who benefit the most from getting a microphone are the scammers and the purveyors of lies.
by ocean-kat on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 4:26am
Even the riot is an outlier. I'd argue the worst part is what keeps 74 million people thinking the economy is doing fine, masks aren't needed, 4300 deaths a day are nothing to worry about/a success, etc. If it weren't for the riots, that normal would keep churning out the brainwashed. 200,000 more votes in the right states, and we would have had 4 more years of Trump escalation ending who knows where, but far past people minding a bit of rioting in The People's House(tm).
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 6:51am
Zello's the new social media hit
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/13/zello-app-us-capitol-att...
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 6:55am
VERY interesting embedded link there about the Ohio woman using Zello, she formed that militia in 2019, she's obviously an anti-government anarchist, supported BLM too and is ex-military. Very "Boogaloo" type, supporting both left and right insurrectionists. Note especially the last line in my excerpt here, just loves her some breaking glass
from Ohio Bartender and Her ‘Militia’ Drove to D.C. to Join the Capitol Breach
A Champaign County bartender who runs a self-identified militia, joined by three others in her unit, drove to Washington D.C. last week to join what descended into a seditious mob invasion of the U.S. Capitol.h
JAKE ZUCKERMAN, OHIO CAPITAL JOURNAL. JAN 13, 2021 11 AM
by artappraiser on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 11:29am
I think: they liked Trump because: he was basically anti-government in results, sometimes intended, sometimes not. He was a chaos causer for sure, simpatico in that.
by artappraiser on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 11:32am
Fight Club
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 7:05am
Cpt. America fights back
https://digbysblog.net/2021/01/legends-in-their-own-minds/
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 4:51pm
President Biden has announced he and & his crew are going to continue to use the Twitter product as of Jan. 20, with new accounts:
Must be a liberal takeover conspiracy....
by artappraiser on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 11:07pm
Surprises me that there weren't more! Is basically equivalent to the House GOP who stuck to stoking Trumpism to the end, including voting against certification.
Given that there has been a massive turn by most of the capitalist titans against "Stop the steal" as destabilizing to the world's democracies (starting with Murdoch family itself) seems like a slam dunk decision by Apple and Google and other providers; they knew where masses of the agitating perps were on pro-Trump PoMo
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/15/2021 - 4:24pm
David Axelrod asks a question:
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/15/2021 - 4:46pm
Obrador of Mexico doesn't like that Twitter cut off Trump:
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/15/2021 - 8:28pm
hmm, all together now, bedfellows for free speech absolutism: Greenwald, Assange, Snowden, Tucker Carlson, Jimmy Dore, Fox News and Wikileaks
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/18/2021 - 1:30am
"TWITTER MAY HAVE HAD ITS OWN INSURRECTION IF IT DIDN’T DUMP TRUMP"
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/20/2021 - 3:16am
by artappraiser on Thu, 01/21/2021 - 1:03pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 11:14pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/26/2021 - 1:56am