MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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By Saeed Kamali Dehghan, guardian.co.uk, 7 Feb. 2013
Iran's supreme leader forbids officials from engaging in bilateral negotiations despite foreign minister welcoming US overtures
Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has killed off hopes for early talks with the US by forbidding officials in Tehran from holding bilateral negotiations with Washington.
"Negotiating with America will not solve any problems," Khamenei told air force commanders who had gathered on Thursday as part of anniversary celebrations of the 1979 Islamic revolution.
"If some people want American rule to be established again in Iran and are turning a blind eye to the country's national interests and independence in order to please Americans, then the nation will confront them," he said, according to his official website.
The warning came days after the US vice-president, Joe Biden, said Washington would be prepared for direct talks with Iran if Khamenei showed seriousness. [....]
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What will happen to our script on Iran when Ahmadinejad seems to be the reasonable one.
Here. And here. Or will we just pull out quotes from 10 years ago and continue to dismiss him?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 02/10/2013 - 9:21am
I would argue that the problem with dealing with Ahmadinejad has always been that populist demagogues have no loyalties or set-in-stone ideologies; he will shift in the wind as situations develop that offer Machiavellian opportunities. Agreements today will be forgotten tomorrow....
Here's his newest gamble along those lines:
So I would say that you are correct that it serves no use to go back to what he said 10 years ago, or a couple months ago, for that matter.
by artappraiser on Sun, 02/10/2013 - 4:10pm
Ahmadinejad built up a real base and has delivered to that base. (Note: Azeri, rural background)
"Demagogue" is a pejorative, as is the "Machiavellian". Says nothing. Half of the world's leaders are full of bluff & hot air. How many lies has the West told about Iran's nuclear program in the last 10 years? To the US, Chavez is a "demagogue", but a highly popular one who's distributed wealth to the poorest. Just because the US opposes you doesn't make you (Axis of) Dr. Evil.
Ahmadinejad has published private bribe conversations with Larijanis.Worth taking seriously. It's time for a power struggle as his term ends, and much of Iran's power is influential family-based - what do you think is happening?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 02/10/2013 - 7:40pm
Sometimes I find your contrarianism helpful, other times it just strikes me as absurd and a bit trollish to boot.
dem·a·gogue
Merriam-Webster: a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power
Google: A political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.
Wiktionary: An orator or leader who gains favor by pandering to or exciting the passions and prejudices of the audience.
Dictionary.com: noun: a person, especially an orator or political leader, who gains power and popularity by arousing the emotions, passions, and prejudices of the people.
verb: to treat or manipulate (a political issue) in the manner of a demagogue; obscure or distort with emotionalism, prejudice, etc.
My point was that he's not exactly the type to be a renowned statesman welcomed by the international community at any treaty-signing table. Wasn't meaning to get into the whole thing about a politician pandering to his base being good, bad or indifferent. Was saying that I don't think he's got it in his bones to be a statesman. Criminy, he can't even let go of demagoguing the run for the office even though he's not eligible to run for the office.
But if you're going to force me to get into it, why in the world do you think he needs you to defend him here as a speaker for the Iranian unwashed masses? I can't think of a reason. If I'm on any side here, I'd be with the Greens. When he comes out defending Mousavi or these journalists, I'll think about saying something nice about him.
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/12/2013 - 3:01am
The world's quite anti-Muslim - I'll take complaints with a 1/2 grain of salt, whether lies about his most famous statement, Washington Post here, Israeli Minister of Intelligence here, to gross exaggerations from the West about Iran's nuclear capability. "Axis of Evil", "tried to buy yellowcake", Blair's "just 45 minutes" quote, and some of Obama's war on terror/statements about OBL & Qaddafi are also demagoguic (sp?). Including a number of lies about Ahmadinejad's re-election & lies by his underlings about nuclear facilities. (No, it wasn't as stolen as the west pretended - Ahmadinejad did have a very popular base, and had done much to ease poverty, so the election wasn't as stolen as pretended. No, radiation around a suspect nuclear facility can't just be rinsed away by water...).
So now, is Ahmadinejad to blame for your "these journalists" being arrested?
Why is that important? Well, who's in charge of detaining journalists?
Oops.
Now, it's not uncommon for politicians to try to retain some bit of power at the end of their tenure - Vladimir Putin, Vaclav Klaus, Berlusconi, Rudy Giuliani... So if Ahmadinejad is still trying to stay relevant while in office, 4 months before replacement elections? Wow, sue him. I recall Bush turning over the keys to the White House in July 2008.
Actually, I'm not defending Ahmadinejad - I'm wondering why smart people keep falling for the same press manipulation over and over. Ahmadinejad's almost certainly a thug - but that doesn't make him guilty of every rabid charge from the anti-Muslim west.
And for Ahmadinejad being a "madman", yes, he must be mad - no sane US leader would let the Soviet Union occupy Canada, Mexico, Cuba without a serious response, but that's essentially what Ahmadinejad's done - Iraq, Afghanistan, fleet in the Persian Gulf, Turkmenistan support for CIA renditions & military cooperation, Azeri support...
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 02/12/2013 - 7:44am