MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Beto yields the cross-over vote?
By PeraclesPlease on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 7:53am |URL:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/04/ted-cruz-beto-orourke-texas-senate-2018-election-222188
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Kevin Drum: ignore centrists at your peril
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/11/the-revenge-of-the-median...
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 11/06/2018 - 5:29am
The difficulty of straddling the fence in nutcase times...
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/11/12/the-demise-of-the-moderate...
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 11/06/2018 - 6:02am
Wow, if you really want to understand what's been going on in Congress with the GOP in the last two years, this is the article to read. Can't recommend it highly enough. Even if one's goal is to attack their goals, understanding the thinking from the other side is the way to attack fruitfully.
by artappraiser on Tue, 11/06/2018 - 11:24am
Polling may not be accurate this year, but it does seem that Beto has been more competitive than Democratic candidates who sought to convert Republicans.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 11/06/2018 - 9:08am
Did you read the article?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 11/06/2018 - 1:24pm
It was meant to be a reply to the Drum article.
Edit to add:
Essentially many Democrats art not going for Centrist votes, they are running as Leftists. Beto is a prime e ample.
Beto appears to be attracting new voters and not searching for Centrists
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 11/06/2018 - 3:07pm
Yes, and what was the author's note re: the success of this strategy?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 11/06/2018 - 3:37pm
Regarding Beto in particular, how successful has the outreach strategy been in winning Governor’s races for Democrats in Texas?
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 11/06/2018 - 3:47pm
I've no idea where you're going, or if you're trying to go anywhere. The article discusses Beto's use of significant cash for his Senate race, and his static ratings for likely voters despite that spend. Is there a comparable Governor's race that showed successful or unsuccessful attempts to entice crossover Republicans that's relevant to this discussion? If not, can we please just discuss the article as written?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 11/06/2018 - 4:29pm
The Drum article is about Centrists
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 11/06/2018 - 4:57pm
And the main Politico article was about how Beto largely (completely) ignored centrists/crossover voters.
So was this "As good as it gets"? Could a slight bit of attention to any wavering disgusted-w-party GOP or Conservative Independents have allowed Beto to improve overall support? Rather than relying on GOTV for his obvious base + hoping for Cruz's support collapsing?
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 11/07/2018 - 2:53am
Medicare for all might be a winning issue though I doubt it, but it's too soon to call for impeachment. There needs to be incontrovertible evidence of serious crimes by Trump for that and it's not here yet. Calling for abolishing ICE is just stupid. Sure we need reform but there has to be some police force on the border. It would be like BLM calling for abolishing the police.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 11/07/2018 - 3:29am
Democratic candidates had tried reaching out. Those candidates lost by wide margins. Beto got closer than predicted. Hopefullly, Democrats can maintain support for 2020.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 11/07/2018 - 7:40am
The news in the last 2 months has been dominiated by bone saws,self-destructive trade war,overt purging of blacks from voter rolls, major news on Trump's Russian collusion, conviction of his lawyer & campaign manager, along with evidence of his decades-long tax avoidance.and non-profit foundation's malfeasance.
I don't get that not reaching out *this time* compares to reaching out last time. Beto didn't get closer than predicted say a month ago - he just couldn't continue his magic without reaching out - he peaked, hit his ceiling. I guess we're not supposed to learn any lessons from anything, just lather, rinse, repeat and pray for more GOP overreach (and hope that's sufficient to bolster our numbers & carry on the revolution)
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 11/07/2018 - 3:37pm
Read Cilizza's point #5 on Sherrod Brown - what's his secret sauce? Aside from raw numbers in the House, the election was pretty much cheering on "Close But No Cigar" with some cherry-picked successesup - a situation that's getting pretty annoying after a couple decades.
Still, I was worried the GOP'd steal the election outright, with voting machine hacking, disenfranchisement, et al. Likely they succeeded with Georgia and some others, but by far the most important is simply taking the House with a decent margin. Let the Trump investigations go to Mach II.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 11/07/2018 - 3:03am