MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Black Protester hugs bleeding White Supremacist
By HSG on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 9:46am |This is an interesting and touching story. It reminds me of a passage in Der Fuehrer in which the great German journalist and Hitler biographer Konrad Heiden describes how a Jewish man helped Herman Goring after he was shot during the 1923 Beer Hall Putsch. "Goring was carried into a near-by bank by two young storm troopers. The Jewish owner gave him first aid: this made so deep an impression on the two young National Socialists - brothers - that they soon left the party."
Sadly, the help rendered by the Jew - a banker no less! - didn't apparently make much of an impression on Goring. I suppose if the Jewish man had known what was coming he might have tried to procure a machine gun in order to massacre the whole lot of Nazis. As Ecclesiastes councils "to everything there is a season" - a time to live, a time to kill, a time for war, a time for peace. Unfortunately, we poor humans seem to have a very difficult time divining when is the right time for war and peace.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/white-supremacist-black-protester-neo-nazi-richard-spencer-florida-alachua-county-a8015306.html
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I think Danny had a post about the black man who was sucker punched by an elderly white guy at a Trump rally. Sheriff’s deputies handcuffed the black guy who was sucker punched and let the white guy go free. The black guy later hugged the white after the elderly guy was found guilty in court. The hugs are cute stories, but the evil continues.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/five-deputies-disciplined-inaction-after-trump-rally-sucker-punch-n540506
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 10:31am
Indeed it does. To counter it, we must figure out a way to unite the poor, struggling, and working-class across racial lines. You know what I propose. What do you suggest?
by HSG on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 11:03am
Then set the example HSG. Gather your friends and family and go give them what you think they need. Otherwise this is simply bad advice and will get someone hurt or worse. We live in a climate where black people get killed for nothing...why would one be so foolish as to cause harm to one's own self by trying to hug a nazi or any rando person?
But if you must, feel free to do for yourself and family. I might be interested in reading about your experience.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 11:42am
I have repeatedly set forth with examples what legislative and policy solutions are likely to reduce racial/ethnic/religious violence and bigotry and hatred. I have never once said that hugging a hater is the solution. Indeed, in this post I noted that a Jew who helped Herman Goring in 1923 might have been better served taking a machine gun to the Nazis marching in front of his bank. What do you propose?
by HSG on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 12:33pm
I already told you what I propose, lol.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 1:18pm
The problem is not poverty. I refuse to accept that someone’s poverty excuses racism. That is a slander on poor white people. You seek an economic solution to a much deeper problem. Trump is not a poor man. Jeff Sessions is not poverty stricken. This is the great disconnect between Sanders and black voters.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 12:07pm
I agree that addressing poverty and economic injustice/wealth disparities will not solve all of our problems. I do think they will go some distance in doing so. What do you propose instead?
by HSG on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 12:31pm
Using the coalition of whites, blacks, etc. that we already have and vote out as many Republicans as we can. Then work on the issues locally and nationally. The whites who revert to racism when they have economic anxiety are not worth the time. Democrats picked up a state Senate seat in a heavily GOP district in Wisconsin yesterday.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/patty-schactner-wins_us_5a5ec4e2e4b096ecfca88c03?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 12:43pm
How's that going to stop the hate?
by HSG on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 2:40pm
We can’t stop the hate. We can legislate so the haters don’t have influence.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 3:43pm
Nope.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 10:43am
HSG - I'm super annoyed by your attempt to normalize and rational Nazi shit. Of course with a side of gaslighting..how will we ever come together unless black people forgive them. Please.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 12:23pm
Rationalize.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 12:25pm
When have I ever normalized hate? Please provide quotes. My goal is always to reduce its incidence. Your posts here whether as "Anonymous" or in your other guises are the ones that are hate-filled.
by HSG on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 12:30pm
Are you talking to Peter?
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 12:44pm
Is this Anonymous Peter? I thought it was a different Anonymous.
by HSG on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 12:51pm
Just joking
Edit to add:
It is interesting that the image of the black guy who was sucker punching hugging the elderly racist was not greeted with kindness among many in the black community. It was similar to the reaction to the black driver in Driving Miss Daisy and the white writer versus the black maids in The Help. Many blacks had different reactions than white viewers. Blacks are supposed to be gracious, not forceful.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 12:59pm
Yes. It is quease-inducing and touching at the same time. What is touching for me is that the target of hate can still love the hater. I'm not nearly that saintly. But perhaps the football coach/hugger felt only compassion in the moment when he saw the man walking with a bloody face.
by HSG on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 2:45pm
We never see the Nazi protecting the bloody black guy.
Edited to change ever to never
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 3:38pm
That's because Nazis, KKK members, etc., are with very few exceptions sociopaths.
by HSG on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 9:54pm
We keep seeing the black body willing to risk their body to protect the evil white guy. They receive praise from many whites. In 1996, Keisha Thomas saved a white supremacist from a crowd who was about to beat the living crap out of the guy, She risked her body to protect the white supremacist. She was in national magazines and interviewed by Oprah. Twenty years later on Oprah’s Where Are They Now, she noted that she still receives death threats because people feel that she betrayed her race. The pathology of the white supremacists creates an equal but opposite response.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/keshia-thomas_us_57c4c5a0e4b0cdfc5ac8f008
The racism of Fox, Limbaugh, Coulter, etc. is normalized. Maurer brings ouster and Milos on his show and really doesn’t press them on their racism. Steve Bannon was in the White House. Steve Miller is in the White House. Jeff Sessions is AG. Steve King is in Congress. The death threats are inexcusable. So is the silence on the racists in our midst.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 01/18/2018 - 11:30am
I said normalizing Nazi's. Don't change the language.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 1:06pm
I've never done that.
by HSG on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 2:40pm
The gaslighting never ends around here.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 4:43pm
My guess is that this new troll is here to discredit rmrd by seeming to agree with him but by being only and far more incendiary and insulting with posts lacking all rational content
by ocean-kat on Wed, 01/17/2018 - 7:10pm
All black people look alike
Edit to add:
Your comment is comical like many of your statements. It is an old tactic. We can’t pay attention to King because Malcolm X or Stokely Carmichael. Would you say the same about Hal versus Peter?
Let us rehash, Progressives have taken up wingnut memes. Can’t talk about race because the race card. Can’t post a link documenting what King said about silence in the face of racism because you are calling people racists. Don’t point out that there is no voter fraud and that voter ID is voter suppression. Don’t mention that King said that people of conscience shouldn’t vote for Goldwater and note that those words apply to Trump voters.
Interestingly, CNN’s Martin Savage interviewed Democrats who voted for Trump. The interview was in Youngstown, Ohio. All on the panel gave Trump high marks.
http://freebeacon.com/politics/ohioans-praise-trumps-first-year-in-office/
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 01/18/2018 - 10:24am
Your everything and everybody is racist jihad has turned you into a joke. I really don't give a fuck what you say about me or anything else.
by ocean-kat on Thu, 01/18/2018 - 5:33pm
I listed wingnut memes that have been accepted by some Progressives. I noted King quotes about people who were silent on racism. You have no rebuttal. You hurl insults as a diversion. Why would I take you seriously. I did forget to add identity politics as another wingnut meme taken up by Progressives.
by iPadrmrd (not verified) on Thu, 01/18/2018 - 5:43pm
Okay, guys - how about we give it a rest and argue over something new & interesting?
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 01/18/2018 - 5:43pm