MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE by Michael Wolraich Order today at Barnes & Noble / Amazon / Books-A-Million / Bookshop |
New York Times, August 17/18, 2013
One of them "must reads." Impossible to summarize. Step-by-step narrative with lotsa international players (not to mention everyone's favorite two Senators, McCain & Graham.)
4 pages by a team:
David D. Kirkpatrick reported from Cairo, and Peter Baker and Michael R. Gordon from Washington. Reporting was contributed by Eric Schmitt, Mark Mazzetti and Thom Shanker from Washington; Mark Landler from Chilmark, Mass.; and Steven Erlanger from London.
Comments
The above story has the background to the following McClatchy story, i.e., this news should be no surprise to the U.S.State Dept:
Also see my recent post on acanuck's thread
Tamarod aims to ban US aid and cancel Camp David peace treaty
and the two stories above it concerning Egyptian liberal anti-Americanism because of our "support of terrorists." (The Tamarod report, BTW, says that they want to start another petition drive to accomplish those goals, the same method they used to eventually get the masses that ended up gathering in the streets for the removal of Morsi, in possibly the largest demonstration ever anywhere.)
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/18/2013 - 1:17am
Also,
here's the official statement the State's media agency put out August 17 regarding "foreign correspondent" behavior, in English:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/160964935/Egypt-s-State-Information-Service-St...
provided by Robert Mackey of The Lede @ the NYT.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/18/2013 - 4:08am
How American Hopes for a Deal in Egypt Were Undercut
[ 1 ] “You could tell people were itching for a fight,” Mr. Graham
[ 2 ] I said: ‘Mr. Prime Minister, it’s pretty hard for you to lecture anyone on the rule of law. How many votes did you get? Oh, yeah, you didn’t have an election.’ ”
[ 3 ] Mr. Graham said, seemed “a little bit intoxicated by power.”
The President is the elected international diplomat for the country. And yet Senator Graham is doing everything possible to scuttle the US position.
His only purpose there is to ask questions and clarify answers given ... his personal impressions and interpretations have no business being aired during media/press interviews ... because they end up becoming an official government statement which undermines the efforts of the President.
And Secretary of State John Kerry doused the issue with gasoline too that was way too short-sighted.
Furthermore, Obama failed to realize the changing political dynamics in Egypt meant the usual strings they use to rely upon to rein in the government were no longer long enough or had been completely severed.
And of course, no one realized what other Arab state's say to the US is completely different to what they say to one another ... the State Department should have been on the ball and kept Obama and Kerry up-to-date on how to interpret their discussions.
There's a lot of blame to pass around ... both the past and current Administration and Congressional leaders for not having a sound foundation to deal with political factions in the Middle East.
by Beetlejuice on Sun, 08/18/2013 - 1:04pm
---Issandr El Amrani @ The Arabist in Egypt Links 15-18 August 2013
Read the whole post, as Issandr has an update from a source familiar with the negotiations / mediation efforts (not a journalist and not an American) about the McCain/Graham role.
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/19/2013 - 2:49pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/19/2013 - 5:22pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 08/20/2013 - 3:27am
by artappraiser on Tue, 08/20/2013 - 3:31am
On the same poll:
Ahram Online
Egypt Independent
Daily News Egypt
by artappraiser on Fri, 08/23/2013 - 9:07pm
I don't want to start a Poll War but isn't this the same outfit that claimed that 95% of Egyptians supported Mubarak? Some interesting results from the Egyptian Centre For Media Studies and Public Opinion, 79% believe the massacre are Crimes Against Humanity and General Sissi is responsible for them, 69% believe Al Jazzera is the most credible source of news in the country.
by Peter (not verified) on Sat, 08/24/2013 - 11:28am
I believe you are trying to start a poll war or you wouldn't provoke with such a comment. There ain't much to war with, though, so let's get it over with right away.
In Egypt there's Baseera and there's the guys you are quoting.
The organization that's your ammunition, "Egyptian Centre For Media Studies and Public Opinion," sometimes with the additional identifier "not Baseera" doesn't even bother to show its data or bother to back up anything it says, and mentions of it first started appearing, seemingly out of nowhere, in July:
http://www.tahrirsquared.com/node/5307
while Baseera does at least bother to look like they are a professional polling organization:
http://www.baseera.com.eg/beta/aboutus.aspx
In English, I cannot find any examples of the one you are quoting being touted on anything other than pro-MB sites, and where I can find it, it's without any links to any data or even a simple chart, just a few sentences. It does not appear to be mentioned by Al Jazeera.
As for international organizations, there's nothing post massacre but there is Gallup
with the stuff done directly before:
and there was this Pew study published in May.
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/24/2013 - 3:44pm
P.S. We will get more in time, I am sure. I want to track that. That's why I posted what I saw. Not to argue, but to start the tracking. Given that Egypt is now a military state with controls on the media, yes I will admit right now that I am going to trust the international organizations with long track records more than I am going to trust polls from any Egyptian organization. And yes, I am fully aware that the former may not have ideal sampling skills within Egypt but I expect that will at least be trying to ferret out some truth.
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/24/2013 - 4:50pm
These three polls you cite could have been about the US and our corrupt failing system. The reason I have challenged you is because some of the polls you cite are beyond belief even with the limited information that I have available. We and the Egyptians have been inundated with gross propaganda from the beginning of this tragedy starting with the number of anti-Morsi demonstrators and petitioners. This is not really about Morsi and his failures or the MB anymore it is about how the people of Egypt were manipulated, by the fulool, Liberals and business interests, into supporting, in large numbers, the destruction of the Revolution they fought so hard for. With a democratic, elected government they had a chance to remove the MB from power through elections, now they have nothing.
by Peter (not verified) on Sat, 08/24/2013 - 10:12pm