MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE by Michael Wolraich Order today at Barnes & Noble / Amazon / Books-A-Million / Bookshop |
Nuclear negotiations with Iran, in the right spirit, will work. US-led trade embargoes and military threats will bring only disaster, yet today's best and brightest say that to stop Iran achieving "critical capability" to produce nuclear weapons in the coming months, President Obama must impose "maximal" sanctions" – that is the message of a new report issued in Washington by five senior non-proliferation specialists.
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Everyone “knows” that Israel has many nuclear weapons yet that obvious truth will not be spoken by our President. I suspect that is for domestic political reasons. Am I wrong? Is there another credible reason? If saying that obvious truth would help to win an election what politician would not do so?
Would it actually endanger America or the world to allow Iran their rights under the NNPT or is it a case where winning this big dick contest makes maybe fifty thousand dead babies “worth it”? To us, I mean.
by A Guy Called LULU on Tue, 01/22/2013 - 1:43pm
Guardian's author bio line:
To find out more, I started with the Wikipedia entry on Hossein Mousavian. Then I followed the footnote link to this sentence there:
To this blog entry at "Iran Media Focus":
Then went to a later entry on the same blog on Mousavian:
So as has been the case for like a decade in this grand cat-and-mouse diplomatic game, (when BTW I constantly was told "we are going to war next month" and never believed it,) I don't know which argument to believe about what is really going on here with negotiations.
So I go look what else is on the The Guardian site on Iran right now, because I know they only recently asked the highly respected Tehran Bureau News Blog to become a part of their site, but I didn't find anything on topic at Tehran Bureau.
I did however find this interesting article elsewhere at The Guardian, my bold:
And then I thought, what are the clues in all of this about which side is being more warlike and which side is being more reasonable and trying to negotiate in good faith to avoid war? And which side is more likely to be attempting to get to the truth and which side is likely to be pushing more incendiary propaganda to cover up the truth? The West, who invites a Mousavian to be a visiting scholar and offers venues like The Guardian's Comment is Free in which he can publish his opinion, is the one causing all the trouble? The West is the one that is unreasonable and intransigent and trying to go to war? Once again, I doubt that for the umpteenth time over a decade.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/22/2013 - 4:39pm
I often do a bit of research into the source myself, especially when what is said can only be taken on faith. That is not the case with this piece. It can be, it seems to me, evaluated on its own merits and the correct takeaway should have nothing to do with the background of the author.
From one of your links:
The author of this blog selectively agrees with Mousavian but offers his belief that Iran is developing nukes. His then asserts without support that "...the IAEA and every serious expert today increasingly accept this as the lurking reality."
My bold. If the author had substituted "possibility" for "reality" he would be a bit more credible, IMO.
By the way, who is the author? I have little time right now, maybe I missed it, but I couldn't see who it is so I don't know how to wiki-search for any possible political connections with which I might disparage his opinions.
Further, does the entirety of the IEA [who had a leader with plenty of his own prejudice installed by the U.S. because the IEA did not support the U.S. position sufficiently] as well as every "serious expert" believe that the reality is that Iran is, in fact, at this time pursuing a program with the intent of producing a nuclear weapon? No, that is distorted bs.
I don't expect to ever seriously argue that Iran's politicians don't play politics. I don't doubt for a second that they deliberately demonize America for their own political domestic purposes. But, seriously, you have thought for the last ten years that the U.S. has been reasonable in its wars and threats of war? We will just have to disagree on that point. Remember when the war-talker-uppers were all giddy about how "real men" went to Teheran? I believe that if Iraq had actually turned out to be a cake-walk that those 'real men' would have sent some 'real' real men as quickly as they could have. They have been delayed in their hoped for war, I hope permanently. If that turns out to be the case then you can claim once again and finally with some evidence on your side that there never was a danger of war in the first place and how I, and a whole lot of other people, were ridiculous to ever give the idea any credence to begin with. Of course that will be of small compensation to the families of any children who have died by our alternative form of starvation diplomacy.
by A Guy Called LULU on Tue, 01/22/2013 - 5:11pm
Show me some examples of serious warmongering language on Iran from the Obama administration beyond "all options remain on the table," and I'll take your fears more seriously.
The historical record on the Bush adminstration has already shown that even George Bush wasn't going to do anything military about it. He wasn't listening to the warmongerers on it and any official warmongering language was merely diplomatic threat tactics. Even the leaks fed to Seymour Hersh proved to be purposeful counter-intel work to scare, not to do.
I would like to add a point about your "but Israel has nukes" argument. I see that as a pro-proliferation argument. That you don't think it's possible for the world to eventually walk back, step-by-step, from nuclear armaments, but that you think it would be better if everyone that wants them could have them, to compete with the others who already have them. It's a legitimate argument, but one that I don't happen to agree with. I'd like no one else to get them, and then after they've got that, I'd like the world to start getting rid of the ones that are out there. I believe Obama has similar opinions to mine, judging from the work he did at the UN shortly after he took office the first time.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/22/2013 - 5:50pm
First, some language clarification. I did not accuse the Obama administration of war mongering. I reserve that term for those actively pushing for a war as a first choice, usually using exaggerated threats as an excuse. I do accuse him and his administration of threatening war with Iran.
I will answer as if you had correctly said "threaten war" rather than "war mongering". You cannot legitimately say: Show me any example of serious war threats except for that serious example of threatening war that he repeats over and over.
I did not, do not, will not, make any pro-proliferation argument. I can see, and may say, why other countries could be expected to want a nuke of their own. Removing such incentives is the best way forward. Threatening war against nations which don't yet have them is a poor strategy. That said, do you seriously believe that any country which has nukes will, at any time,even in the Age of Aquarius, trust any other nuke nation's claim of getting clean enough to get rid of their own? I don't.
by A Guy Called LULU on Tue, 01/22/2013 - 8:52pm
My bold:
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/22/2013 - 3:47pm