MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Maybe our fixation on the traditional (2 parents-plus-kids) family unit is too tribal, too divided, too go-it-alone?
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Though research in England says those old familial ties weren't that close:
https://phys.org/news/2019-08-close-knit.html
Which doesn't dispute Morrison as much as ask whether it should be a new goal, and how?
And some studies question that out-of-action time with newborns (follow Meghan Markle, publish a Vogue edition instead?)
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 08/08/2019 - 4:59am
This is getting to another very important related point that Toni did not bring up and neither do cultural warriors:
the nuclear family is a post WWII invention. It was absolutely revolutionary, it is not at all "traditional."
It allowed for people to be individualistic and not be as beholden to tribe. To have their own lives away from the extended family with all its demands and quirks (not to mention that sexually abusing or pedophile uncle was always an untold part of the story of having that wunnerful extended family support, and gays better hide their proclivities), to have a spouse and a family of their own choosing and not always trying to please their elders. Even something as simple as women being able to have a home with decor and housekeeping devices of their own choosing and not have to do everything the way their mother-in-law thought best. Not to mention having only two people arguing over how children should be raised instead of 4 or 6 or 10.
It is an invention that is both libertarian and globalist in effect. It leaves behind the ways that used to support elderly and retired. So the advent of Social Security ironically helped speed along its invention.
by artappraiser on Thu, 08/08/2019 - 1:13pm
Fit in with those new suburbs & 2-car garage, 3 slowly pared down to 2 kids...
and hiding under the desk at school for those nuclear dress rehearsals.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 08/08/2019 - 1:14pm
P.S. Gays later bought into the nuclear family, cottage with white picket fence model! To my eternal dismay about the loss of a great alternative culture for living. I guess if so many chose it, I am the wrong one. But still, it makes me sad.
by artappraiser on Thu, 08/08/2019 - 1:15pm
Yeah, my disappointment with how wonkish & boring gay culture was in DC - totally settle down lifestyle.
The in-your-face 70's punk/glam ethic including outré gay/lesbo-du-jour & concomitant androgyny domini was much more fun. Now it's all moralizing, proper behavior. Back then it was just being outrageous & getting your rocks off with whoever. Angie Bowie describing the typical club scene in UK jibes pretty well with what I remember in the US - all the stalls full on a good Friday... even the white privileged heteros.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 08/08/2019 - 1:22pm
I remember that clearly from the time she said it. It was a big deal in the left of center type publications I was reading and the news I was watching, very controversial. In my mind it's almost like the beginning of the big split between the rising "third way" Dems and "anti-third way" progressives. I am sure now that is a faulty impression, because I was relying only on a few sources, much fewer than today with the internet, but that I have it still reflects how much commotion it caused.
Because the Reagan Dems were seen as going over to Reagan because of the whole Moynihan report scenario of generations of babies raising babies on welfare--Reagan's "welfare queen" shit"--and third way presenting that the men involved were kicked out of the whole family inclusion thing in order for the babies having babies to receive welfare. And that in the end was the main cause of high crime in ghettoes. That men had basically become breeders (thinking now how that narrative was almost like a flip of Handmaid's Tale.) That the two-parent family and respect for men's role was crucial in repairing this. It was really behind the "Third Way" promotion of Earned Income Credit, for one example, to make ghetto fathers feel responsible again and have respect again. Rather than just handing out subsidies for teenage mothers to stay home and have generations of them "on the dole".
And Clinton and Clintonites did win eventually win back a significant number of Reagan Dem type voters selling this Third Way thinking, to reform the way welfare was being handled, saying it had destroyed the black family. And at the same time this is a big discussion in Dem circles, that this was an important way of getting back lost voters who were staunch Dems, Toni Morrison comes out and doesn't just make defensive excuses like: that's not true, that's the not the real problem, she says: it's great, nothing wrong with babies having babies and nothing wrong with government supporting single mothers. It was basically seen as saying: who needs men? that the matriarchal ghetto culture that had developed was a good thing and worth government support. It was seen as a pretty outrageous thing to say in political circles.
Big picture, away from politics, one thing it did do is address the whole feminist issue of women not being able to "have it all", career and family. The conundrum that it actually is physically healthier for women to have their children when they are young and not focus on career then. And the full statement is proof that Toni was pointing that out, too, in how she talks about how there is no reason women can't have their babies young and stay-at-home raise them (with government support implied) and then go on to other things after they are grown.
It was really seen as an "up yours" to Third Way thinking in general, and to the Moynihan report thinking. Almost seen as saying: maybe you're all wrong, maybe ghetto culture has actually figured out the way things should be...matriarchal family set up...
(Edit to fix typo)
by artappraiser on Thu, 08/08/2019 - 12:34pm
P.S. The Christian Right later really tied this whole attitude in with Hillary Clinton's It Takes a Village in 1995. They (unfairly, of course) glommed onto that right away as another example of this same mindset of men and the nuclear family not being important and implied that it was trying to promote not just the ghetto welfare way but the communist way of raising children being better. And it should be mentioned that traditional family is meantime still a mainstay of a lot of Afro-American churches, and this cultural attitude was carried into things like the Million Man March and some Afro-American Islamic organizations including Nation of Islam. Many of those did see traditional roles as important. Toni Morrison's statement was really a new "progressive" one, early on, a new way of thinking to say: this is nothing to be ashamed about, to make excuses about, it might be a good way to run society! Christian Right used Hillary's book to put out the meme that these Third Way people are just as dangerous as the lefties, all the same, just pretending, they are out to turn the world against our values. Meanwhile, there is a big division still growing between all left of center.
by artappraiser on Thu, 08/08/2019 - 12:36pm
If I take 2 secs to let the "ooh, that could be cool", I get the slap in the face of, "but aren't we all selfish and often resent others' kids, maybe especially the new childless, so how's this actually gonna work?" Sure, some people have the drive & gumption of Toni Morrison, some people have parents to play proxy babysitters & educators. But just basic childcare is difficult to come by and expensive. And what are the jobs those young untrained mothers are going to do? it's not like unskilled labor much pays for an apartment these days... Not sure what community college charges as an alternative to Uni...
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 08/08/2019 - 12:43pm
Looking at the Twitter response to a 20-year-old interview by Aussie Jana Wendt illustrates how bad things have got for interviews & pressing people's buttons. In the 70's, Oriana Fallaci took on the Shah & the Ayatollah, provoking them, getting them to take on difficult topics, to think out of the box. Now you're supposed to be nice to famous people who are on your side, or beat up on those considered the enemy. Nothing in between, such as digging into motivations and goals, is allowed - its racist or sexist or whatever. (somewhat oddly, Wendt would normally be seen as a trendsetter in Aussie media deserving of some respect, but she's not of-color, and she disappointed people in the MeToo movement by noting that nope, nothing happened to her, "#NotMeToo" as she put it, not that she necessarily demeaned the movement the way Catherine Deneuve & others did)
Christopher Hitchens on Fallaci
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 08/08/2019 - 1:10pm
Oh god do I hate what you are talking about.
It is encouraging that someone like Orion admires old timey intellectual thought provokers like Christopher Hitchens, though, no?
by artappraiser on Thu, 08/08/2019 - 1:19pm
Yrs, I have probs w Hitchens, but its plus and minus vs all minus. His bit on Mother Theresa is quite memorable - "where's all the money? Why do all these help stations look like shitholes?" more or less.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 08/08/2019 - 3:39pm