MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Some of what they will find objectionable merits further scrutiny; some could be disabling. On the other hand, it is precisely her differences from the others that make her candidacy interesting and potentially constructive. If she is different from the others in the way that she seems to be, I say: vive la difference!
I would therefore urge everybody who wants to build a Left alternative within the framework of the Democratic Party to check her out.
Comments
Wow, he took forever to get around to his only point, which is Tulsi's the only pro-Russian candidate on the Demicratic plank so she's the horse to ride against "Russophibia" and those mean people picking on Assad. Never mind Tulsi's BJP inspiration being stocked with anti-Muslim fanatics - she prolly won't succumb, and if so, who really cares? And despite the Russian meddling (wow, the pro-Moscow left's finally acknowledging that, if only to quickly sweep it under the table) it was just an excuse for Hillary's failed "Clintonite imperialism". I'm kinda amazed he didn't call her "Crooked Hillary" and bring up pizzagate.
Ultimate consistency, Lulu. You never fail.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 01/19/2019 - 4:21am
I am happy to let the article itself be the best response to your comment. Levine quite obviously makes points other than the one you twist so completely.
by A Guy Called LULU on Sat, 01/19/2019 - 12:01pm
Many neoconservatives, having supported Bush 43 and Republicans, then turned against Trump and the GOP in 2016; they have, in effect, joined the Democratic Party. And in so doing, they’ve given the Democrats a distinctly Hillary-like—if not Bush 43-like—aspect. Most notably, MSNBC, which styles itself as the most progressive of the cable news channels, has become a haven for Bush 43 alums.
by A Guy Called LULU on Tue, 01/22/2019 - 11:26am
Yeah, Lulu, cuz backing Arab Spring protesters, building 10-nation coalitions, campaigning for better Black treatment, backing affordable education and supporting universal health care are just such a discernible Bush 43-like neocon approximation. That damn Hillary, she's so hard to pin down, but we know she's evil.
Face it, Lulu - YOU are an enemy, whether you're a paid shill or not. You're just here to repeat your party-degrading memes with no actual sensible outcome except some theoretical "all war is bad" nonsense that you never apply to any other country that's involved in wars around the world, or for that matter, anyone since Hillary left office. Were you in Vietnam, or is that just a pretext to throwing out Russia-excusing/Democrat-attacking pablum?
And your link - "Gabbard is one of the few Democrats in the 2020 mix who has experience as a combatant in war." - my God, she wasn't a "combatant", she was in a fucking medical unit (as a non-doctor/non-nurse/non-EMT - it's hard to say what her actual training was, but she had no medical certification). Is there ever 1 single link you can post that doesn't say something absurdly stupid and/or obviously untrue in the first paragraph? Yeah yeah, I know - I should read the total brainfart article all the way to the end before I pass judgment - or better yet, watch an hour video.
And so you can't pull this bullshit bait-and-switch about Hillary's 2002 hedged bet/carefully worded statement over the AUMF, here it is again, in reminder that the vote called for a UN inspection needed to make sure there was no threat, an action overwhelmingly supported by the UN Security Council, and that as a result of those inspections, we could then say that Iraq didn't have a significant biochemical effort despite opaqueness & headfeints, and that *without* inspections Bush would have still invaded Iraq, but we would have never known how deceptive the reasons for doing that were. And yeah, fuck Tulsi. Read on, if you dare.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 01/22/2019 - 11:46am
I know a couple doctors and one has talked to me some about her experiences interning in a big city emergency room. She has never been in a horrible wreck and she hasn’t been shot but she knows something about bullies, drunk drivers, hot-rodders, and assholes with guns. So does the woman behind the desk where they role in the messy results but who never gets bloody, I would imagine. I do not know any details about Gabbard’s military service that are pertinent in the way you suggest and neither do you. "My God, she wasn't even a combatant ...". She well might never have even had to duck bullets flying overhead as she ran from an aircraft but both articles have much to say that are worth knowing by anyone going to the effort to have an opinion about her and what her candidacy may offer.
"Yeah yeah, I know - I should read the total brainfart article all the way to the end before I pass judgment -
No need starting now. Your reactions over time to anything political indicate that your judgment of a commenter or politician depends less to not at all on substance of their positions but more on whether they worshipped at your alter to Hillary.
by A Guy Called LULU on Tue, 01/22/2019 - 2:10pm
Articles that always seem to start by distorting the truth give an idea that nothing worth knowing will appear. Again, saying someone's a combatant is strong. I have never seen combat, and assuming to speak for what you learn under fire without actually being under fire? Seems obnoxious to me. I'm not a big "support the troops" guy, I had no problem criticizing McCain et al, but I wouldn't be dishing out Mideast advice based on battle-scarred wisdom if I hadn't seen battle.
As for what her candidacy may offer, I already read enough of her nonsense last election cycle and after. She's an opportunist, and while that's not unusial or a show-stopper, her "solutions" always seem to play into the hands of people I despise. Thanks, no thanks - rebranding won't help her problems.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 01/22/2019 - 2:25pm
"I have never seen combat, and assuming to speak for what you learn under fire without actually being under fire? Seems obnoxious to me."
The way I see it, being in combat doesn’t teach you anything about why you are in combat or whether you should be in combat, but my experience has been that it makes me, and no doubt some others, and Gabbard might possibly be one, take those questions very seriously both looking back and looking forward. The results of combat are not abstractions and should be avoided. Because victims are far away and brown is not an explanation or a justification.
Now that you have decreed Gabbard as unacceptable, which potential Presidential candidates still fall within the PP Window that makes it ok to post information about them.
by A Guy Called LULU on Tue, 01/22/2019 - 11:29pm
At the moment anyone who's not a lying compromised surrogate for Trump and/or Putin or any other truly despicable character. But hey, post away - blowing these silly articles out of the sky is the closest I'll see to combat. (Inch' Allah)
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/23/2019 - 1:08am
Don't be so hard on yourself PP. We had to deal with AIDS during the peak of our sexuality. " It’s like Vietnam, sort of. It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave solider." You may not have actually "served" in combat but like Trump, I still see you as a combat hero. And you didn't get captured like some of those fake heroes that served in the non-'AIDS non-STD type of combat.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 01/23/2019 - 8:46am
Ah, reminds me of one of those "there I was with my dick up some guy's rump minding my own business..." jokes. You're right, I was a hero and combatant -hand-to-gland no less - plus a victim of the sexual culture wars - I deserve a Purple Heart or some other appropriate organ for my efforts.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/23/2019 - 11:56am
Speaking of far away brown people, did you by any chance catch the little glitch where Gabbard only seems to cotton to them if they are Judeo-Christian?
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/23/2019 - 4:10am
what another female vet, one with political experience, thinks of her campaign so far (self-described as
@HRC Comms Team. Writer. Proudly Queer. Army Vet. Texan.@Georgetown Alum. Pronouns: She/Her. Media inquiries + speaking engagements...)by artappraiser on Wed, 01/23/2019 - 3:51am
Evan Hill at another left publication, The Nation, does not seem to agree very much with Mr. Levine at Counterpunch. He has rather strong feelings about the candidate, and not only him, but the editor seems to approve of his opinions by pushing them with this tweet intro:
So right there you have a confirmation for what Ms. Clymer says in the quote above: the left split into two factions concerning her.
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/23/2019 - 4:04am
more of the same, a columnist for The Intercept:
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/23/2019 - 4:27am
Wow, a photo-op with Miriam Adelson - I almost posted an article on that piece of work a week ago... including her insulting Medal of Honor.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/23/2019 - 6:15am
You interested me enough to try to figure out what was up with that. Rabbi Boteach has this World Values organization which has a benefit every year where he gives awards. Nowhere on his World Values website can I find a list of past recipients and what the awards mean. I found this Jewish Link NJ article which described the 2016 gala,, awards and the recipients. Here's all her co-awardees in 2016
The article only explains why a few of these people got these awards, so we don't know why the organization thinks Gabbard is a "Champion of Freedom".
I would like to point out this: it's kind of interesting to see the Adelsons being major benefactors of the organization and a host of the awards and at the same time, giving Mrs. Adelson one of the awards. Sort of unusual, no? And this: I did not know that Pamela Anderson was a "lover of Israel." News reports have made it clear she also likes and defends Julian Assange. You learn something new everyday!
There is this page on the organization website with some past gala videos but I don't see one clearly marked as showing Gabbard.
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/23/2019 - 11:18am
Did you notice that at no point in this thread have I defended or praised Gabbard? I have defended the articles I linked to as being informative on an important subject. I think Levine's article is fair, even handed where appropriate but with well stated, well grounded opinion too, and informative as well as thought provoking. It is well within the worth-reading category. He makes it clear that he is looking at the situation from well over to the left. Between the two articles the nature and at least an outline of virtually every charge made against Gabbard as a candidate were presented and they were left open to final judgment as to how legitimate and how damaging they may be with the idea that the campaign should give the answers. Running as a Democrat I expect that if she is shot down it will be by friendly fire before she ever reaches the front line against the Republican. Here is a thought though. If we attack Iran or provoke a war with them within the year I would bet that an established anti-interventionist candidate would get a very big boost. All a hawkish Democrat candidate could say after it turns into a shit storm is that we should have attacked them sooner or that they would have run it better.
To the extent that Gabbard's candidacy takes off it will certainly affect the divide in the Democratic Party. The Nation's piece, which as you say is strongly opinionated against Gabbard, brings good evidence. The 28 comments from the leftist readership are a big part of that evidence. With only a couple exceptions they range from somewhat to very strongly derisive of the article, the author, and the magazine for publishing it.
by A Guy Called LULU on Wed, 01/23/2019 - 9:56am
If we attack Iran or provoke a war with them within the year I would bet that an established anti-interventionist candidate would get a very big boost.
Just curious: why would you even think that might happen?
Did you see this? ‘They can do what they want’: Trump’s Iran comments defy the position of his top aides @ WaPo earlier this month.
Better yet hear the exact Iran policy thinking of the "stable genius" here from the horse's mouth, i watched all 6 1/2 glorious minutes of it.
Trump: Iran is different place than before I was president, Jan. 2 video @ CNBC
What I think from that is that he'd sooner drop a bomb on Obama than on Iran and that Obama is basically what any saber rattling Trump does is about. That if Obama was for it, he's against it, and that's also basically our whole foreign policy. True that he slammed Iran at the U.N. in Sept., but that speech was written for him. He doesn't listen to cabinet or aides unless he is in the mood to, as often as not he contradicts them and their speeches and public statements on Twitter. And that gets worse all the time according to many reports, that even Jvanka can't reason with him about anything, seems almost as if he doesn't trust anything he is told. And just say and do the opposite of Hillary and Obama is what he is going to do....maybe Kim Kardashian could get him to okay bombing Iran if she really wanted him to. More likely he'll bomb Chicago. Already did manage to send a whole bunch of troops to the Southern border for a figment by having a temper tantrum about it.
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/23/2019 - 11:53am
Levine portrays "American exceptionalism" as a continuous application of policy that is essentially generated by a sense of our moral superiority. What has been different from administration to administration are varying levels commitment to developing an international community to address global problems rather than directly oppose the sovereignty of other nations. I question how helpful a model can be that cannot distinguish the Bush Doctrine from attempts to curtail the production of weapons of mass destruction through other means.
In any case, Gabbard was more Bushy than Obama was regarding the Iran deal. She challenged its formation along nationalist lines when she said she could see North Korea from her house. And then she opposed Trump's urination of the deal in the Clinton style of Bolton bashing.
She changes positions faster than Clark Kent can take off his glasses.
by moat on Wed, 01/23/2019 - 12:13pm
I am glad she voted for the nuclear deal with Iran. On reading her statement about that vote, I disagree with her reasoning and do not like my perception of her attitude towards what she sees as the situation. That said, I think the nuclear agreement is very much worth keeping and more conflicts very much worth avoiding. If she gets some traction because she is perceived to be a non-interventionist it might help move political thought a bit in that direction.
Here is her statement after her vote for the JCPA
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard Votes in Support of Iran Deal Over Alternatives
Following today’s vote on the Iran Nuclear Agreement, Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard released the following statement:
I have spent the past several weeks carefully studying the Iran Nuclear Agreement and searching for a better alternative, considering seriously the arguments posed by proponents and opponents of this agreement. I’ve met with President Obama, Secretary of State John Kerry, Secretary of Treasury Jack Lew, Secretary of Energy Ernest Moniz, as well as former military leaders, nuclear physicists, and former IAEA inspectors. I’ve attended dozens of briefings and hearings, both public and classified. I’ve heard from advocates for Israel, met with Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer, as well as Ambassadors from France, Germany, the European Union, and the United Kingdom. I’ve met with community leaders, veterans, and intelligence experts on both sides of this debate. Across the state of Hawaiʻi, I’ve spent time with constituents, some who have expressed deep support, and others expressing great concern about this deal.
The following is my conclusion:
I decided to vote for the Iran Nuclear Agreement not because it's a great deal, or even a good deal. I voted for it because I could not find a better alternative. There are two main alternatives—both of them bad.
Bad alternative #1: Get Iran and P5+1 to negotiate a better deal
Even if it were possible to get everyone back to the negotiating table (and most experts say it isn’t), it would take many months, if not years, to bring everyone back together with no guarantee of producing a better deal than we have now. Most importantly, in the interim, Iran would very likely go full speed ahead to develop a nuclear bomb, with no monitoring. Nuclear experts believe it would take Iran just 2-3 months—plenty of time for Iran to build a nuclear bomb before a more hawkish president enters the Oval Office in 2017. Why opponents of this deal trust that Iran would not use the many months or years it would take to get a better deal, to develop a nuclear weapon, is a mystery to me. They have a lot more faith in Iran’s commitment to remain non-nuclear than I do. This alternative presents too great a risk to be acceptable.
Bad alternative #2: Attack Iran now
Military action now would set Iran’s nuclear program back three or four years, at best. War would inflame the situation and create more chaos, leaving in its trail a cost that is impossible to predict, not only in terms of loss of life, but also on the American economy and the long-term strength of our military and national security.
Armchair generals don’t understand that while we have the power to decide when to start a war, we don’t have the power to decide when it ends, as we should have learned from our experience in Iraq and Libya. Once a war starts, it takes on a life of its own—usually far more difficult and more costly than anyone imagined it would be.
Those who argue that going to war now is better than later due to sequestration and its effects on diminishing our military capabilities should understand that it would be a lot less costly in dollars and American lives to instead end sequestration and other policies that are weakening our military.
If military action is required in the future, we will be in a stronger and more effective position having implemented the present agreement because of the unprecedented access and significant intelligence advantage that we gain through this deal.
All U.S. Options Remain On the Table
It’s important to remember that this deal with Iran does not render the United States impotent. The Iranian regime and the people of Iran need to know that if their government tries to produce a nuclear weapon, they will be hit with the full military might of the United States and the international community.
This deal does not prevent the United States from taking unilateral or cooperative action against Iran, whether it be for developing fissile material at the levels and amount necessary for a nuclear bomb, the development of Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (ICBM) to deliver such a bomb, taking hostages, or engaging in state-sponsored terrorism. Nothing in this agreement limits our ability to enact sanctions, nor does it take the military option off the table. These critical issues must be dealt with alongside the implementation of this deal.
Conclusion
If the United States walks away from this deal, we won’t walk back into the world as we know it today. We will instead walk into a world of uncertainty, with Iran likely gaining billions of dollars from an unraveled sanctions regime, while continuing down their superhighway towards a bomb. The unprecedented constraints, intelligence, and IAEA oversight access gained with this deal will fall by the wayside. This would lead us to the strong likelihood of necessitating military action against Iran now, in order to temporarily destroy its nuclear program, and deal with the long-lasting consequences of such an attack, including the immeasurable costs to our nation.
This deal is far from perfect, so I remain committed to taking the necessary supplementary actions to prevent Iran from being able to develop a nuclear weapon or the means to deliver such a weapon. My vote today is a commitment to remain vigilant in enforcing Iran’s compliance to this deal. My vote today is a commitment to ensure that while Iran may be permitted a civilian nuclear program, it will never be allowed to produce highly enriched uranium or weapons grade plutonium. My vote today is a commitment to support our longtime ally and friend, Israel, by strengthening both its defensive and offensive capabilities. Finally, my vote today is a commitment to ensure that the United States remains in the best possible position of strength today, tomorrow, and every day after.
by A Guy Called LULU on Wed, 01/23/2019 - 3:21pm
Wow lulu, you're considering a person's vote in all it's complexity and nuance. That is so unlike you. Compare it to the knee jerk reaction you usually apply when PP posts similar long statements by Hillary explaining one of her votes.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 01/23/2019 - 4:53pm
Apart from one paragraph, this statement is identical to the reasoning of Obama to go forward with the agreement. To wit:
This is basically Powell's trusty old Pottery Barn rule that he broke when commanded to do so. To treat Iraq and Libya as equal representatives of the principle is disingenuous when the matter of comparing dollars over time versus plan is considered. The Obama/Romney debate highlighted the problems of the comparison. From a cost in blood comparison, there is no comparison. This is where making a distinction between Bushy types of interventions may beneficially compare to other kinds.
Now, the question still remains if an intervention is a good idea. That can be considered as a matter of long term strategy for a powerful agent (such as the U.S) or a benefit to the poor sods who just got intervened upon. Levine has ruled out thinking too much about the latter because that would be the arrogance of hypocrisy when interested third parties propose outcomes are anyting more than power getting what preserves power.
Now having strategies that don't presume to create a world order would have to be an effort toward building a replacement. The Bush Doctrine urinates upon the idea. So, what next?
Wake me up when challengers to the status quo don't run into the shelters the first time an alarm is sounded.
by moat on Wed, 01/23/2019 - 5:59pm