MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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On the hopeful side, maybe nuclear winter will stop global warming as well as solving the population problem.
by A Guy Called LULU on Sat, 09/09/2017 - 12:19pm
Yes LULU - this would seem to be a fairly obvious point but has been lost by a large chunk of the Democratic electorate. The complicity of many Democrats in our imperialist adventures and murderous overseas sprees during the past 16 years has weakened whatever moral and intellectual authority the party previously possessed. It also may have helped elect the current disaster-in-chief as I pointed out in Democratic Opportunity a couple of weeks ago.
by HSG on Sun, 09/10/2017 - 2:15pm
Ask all your brethren who said Gore was just like Bush. Meanwhile the numbers dying from war are at an all-time low (largely the remnants of Syria/Iraq and Yemen), miniscule compared to former years, but self-proclaimed peacenicks would rather blather about imperialism and such rather than celebrate any inkling of progress in reducing war.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 09/10/2017 - 2:02pm
I'm sure the dispossessed in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Libya, and Palestine and the families of Americans serving in those countries find your statistics cheering.
by HSG on Sun, 09/10/2017 - 2:18pm
Oh yes, don't forget to call out the troops. Nothing like a bit of huckster patriotism on top of a bit of cloying anti-imperialist agitprop. Forget statistics - it's how we feel about it all, especially Americans being the soft hearts for the world. 6 million died in the Congo, 1 million+ in Cambodia, but at times in Afghanistan or Libya it *feels* that bad, so that's enough. The next phase of Fake News is upon us.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 09/10/2017 - 2:55pm
Peracles, is there any significant part of Swanson’s article that you think is factually wrong or maybe poor analogy of the situation?
Today isn’t the warmest day on record for this date. That doesn’t mean the weather is just fine in America. Denying the trend of the world towards more war and very possibly a big one that could be planet changing on the grounds that there have been years when more died in wars is evidence of either willful ignorance or stupid denialism as is denying man made global warming. I don’t think you are willfully ignorant.
by A Guy Called LULU on Sun, 09/10/2017 - 4:59pm
Actually with some apology I believe some of the points made, that war preparations have sapped a ton of peacetime resources, much like the trillions in mishandled Afghanistan and Iraq especially, which ever side of the wars you want to discuss. I don't believe that war is so much on the rise, but I've railed at length about police abuse and the antagonistic state set up, including Digby's campaign against irresponsible tasing.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 09/10/2017 - 5:31pm
I agree with much of the article, as PP said " war preparations have sapped a ton of peacetime resources, much like the trillions in mishandled Afghanistan and Iraq especially." What bothers me is the absolutism of the article's premise "you can’t have an effective progressive movement in the United States that doesn’t include working for peace." I agree that we should work for peace and that we've wasted trillions preparing for war and waging wars, especially colossally stupid wars like Iraq and Viet Nam. I would like to see us use the military less and more strategically and I'd like to see the funding of the military decreased. But we've pretty much been at war for the last hundred years. I'm not in favor of that, but we've made tremendous progressive advances in that time despite that near constant warfare.
I wish I was wrong but I don't see the peace movement having anything more than a marginal effect. "Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship." Yet we can still have an effective progressive movement even if we have little effect in working for peace.
by ocean-kat on Sun, 09/10/2017 - 6:04pm
I think that your criticism of the article, while technically correct, is misguided and guilty of missing the point. Yes I agree that it can be conceived as a possibility that a State entity could be involved in perpetual war beyond its borders while at the same time being a refuge of wealth and security and progress towards more social justice for those within its borders. So yes, I agree that " "You can’t have an effective progressive movement in the United States that doesn’t include working for peace." is theoretically an overstatement of what can be proven about the future and so cannot be accurately stated as an absolute truth. But, that is a microscopically small, and therefore an insignificant as well as irrelevant, nit to pick, IMO.
Again I agree so long as the movement remains a marginal concern of the voters, but if constant war only brings out the most benign result that can be expected, which is the eventual bankruptcy of our economy, then social justice is going to take many steps backward. That is another “absolute statement” that predicts the future and so cannot be considered to be infallibly, inarguably, correct but which, again IMO, only a fool with no knowledge of history would dispute. [Ask contemporary Venezuelans as just one of many examples currently available. Even though it hasn’t been war that has bankrupted their country it is their economic crisis that is leading to repressive governance]
I strongly disagree and add that the only reason to work for a progressive movement is the demands of conscience. We have supposedly realised in the U.S.A. that internally dividing our citizens into defined groups and allowing policies that favor one group over the others is wrong. If that realization creates moral imperatives then, IMO, those imperatives extend beyond our borders. Virtue signalling about what is right versus wrong here at home while supporting actions which destroy entire countries makes irony the sick joke punchline of faux morality.
by A Guy Called LULU on Mon, 09/11/2017 - 11:16am
For me, 9/11 will always be a time of tremendous fear, stifling conformism, forced patriotism, and vicious nationalism. Which is why I’ve always found the claim that Trump represents a new authoritarianism, even fascism, to be so fanciful and false.
by A Guy Called LULU on Mon, 09/11/2017 - 12:47pm