MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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So You Think You Know the Second Amendment?
By AmericanDreamer on Wed, 12/19/2012 - 3:22pm |Jeffrey Toobin, The New Yorker online, December 18.
Concluding paragraph:
So the government cannot ban handguns, but it can ban other weapons—like, say, an assault rifle—or so it appears. The full meaning of the court’s Heller opinion is still up for grabs. But it is clear that the scope of the Second Amendment will be determined as much by politics as by the law. The courts will respond to public pressure—as they did by moving to the right on gun control in the last thirty years. And if legislators, responding to their constituents, sense a mandate for new restrictions on guns, the courts will find a way to uphold them. The battle over gun control is not just one of individual votes in Congress, but of a continuing clash of ideas, backed by political power. In other words, the law of the Second Amendment is not settled; no law, not even the Constitution, ever is.
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The Second Amendment, protected the Nation from the gun control advocates.
In my opinion, Toobin is wrong.
Our forefathers when writing the Constitution, wouldn’t have forgotten the citizens bordering the frontier.
They wouldn’t have limited the citizens, from defending themselves against the attacks of savage people; by telling them to wait for the military or police.
Excerpt from
Nothing has changed
Today’s savages “whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions”
by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 12/19/2012 - 7:15pm
a) you are quoting from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. b) your quote is positing accusations against King George, not a right to bear arms.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 12/19/2012 - 10:25pm
I never implied otherwise.
The framers of the Constitution would have had knowledge of the reasons for the Declaration also.
Savagery hasn't been eliminated.
The framers made sure, the right to bear arms would not be subservient to those who would ban arms.
If the government wants to shirk its responsibilities to properly care and tend for its mentally sick, it's not the law abiding citizens responsibility, to give up their rights.
A government that wants to expend its treasure on wars and allows their young to learn war, that Nation reaps what it sows.
Don't blame law abiding citizens for the nations ills.
Blame a self serving Congress, who promotes war and hate and fails to adequately fund programs, that promote love and kindness.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 12/19/2012 - 11:06pm
The majority of 'law abiding citizens' are responsible because they have a responsibility to stand up and speak out when there is injustice- democracy is not a spectator sport and neither is the slaughter of innocents. Those who are aware and do nothing to protect any from harm are just as guilty as if they pulled the trigger.
FYI - the 'right to bear arms' doesn't mean we all have the right or should we possess tanks, grenades, bombs, automatic weapons that spit out dozens of bullets per minute and/or other weapons of mass destruction.
by Aunt Sam on Wed, 12/19/2012 - 11:40pm
And why shouldn't we possess tanks, generades etc
by Elusive Trope on Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:24am
The majority of 'law abiding citizens' are responsible because they have a responsibility to stand up and speak out when there is injustice- democracy is not a spectator sport and neither is the slaughter of innocents. Those who are aware and do nothing to protect any from harm are just as guilty as if they pulled the trigger.
You really believe the elites and their lap dog Congress critters care, what the peasants think? You can’t buy a senators time, on your salary.
You can’t see, they cut our entitlements and give themselves a life of luxury, at our expense. Yeah they’re listening….. NOT
I heard a report that 13,000 troops will be in Washington on inauguration day, protecting a Congress with a 6% approval rating
Who is Congress afraid of? Do they get the sense their unfavorable ratings might be a problem?
FYI - US ambassador Christopher Stevens had requested more security
Had US ambassador Christopher Stevens, his state department colleague Sean Smith and former Navy Seals Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty; been able to purchase a tank or more high powered weapons, they still might be, among the living.
Think about it; the calvary never came. They shouldn't have depended on others saving them, nor should we.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 12/20/2012 - 4:53am
How about instead of non-responsive gibberish in replying, you take a moment and at least attempt to deliver a cohesive and on point comment.
i.e. To use the Stevens issue is beyond ridiculous, he was an agent for the US in a foreign country and really, think about how inane and without merit your statements are in referencing the real topic.
by Aunt Sam on Thu, 12/20/2012 - 8:42am
You're the one who appears to need to "think about it" some more.
Your Libya statements make no sense at all, for any argument at all, and they especially do not support your other opinions.
The reason a foreign ambassador was attacked in Libya was because Libya still has lots of unregulated militias running around, and those unregulated militias, and anyone else there, can easily acquire any kinds of weapons, including weapons of mass destruction, that they want. Your argument is in support of the unregulated militias and mobs that attacked him, who do not support the government that invited him.
by artappraiser on Thu, 12/20/2012 - 9:57am
The Ambassador is dead, because of lack of security and lack of sufficient deterrents.
Had it not been for the unregulated militias acquiring weapons, other than sticks and stones, Muammar Gaddafi. would have ruthlessly quelled any and all dissent.
Do you begrudge citizens, from taking back their government, from corruption?
Someday in America, some party could come to power, controlling all branches of government, banning other parties, labeling them Un-american.
AA, Tell me that hasn't happened before. Tell me we didn't throw an ethnic group into internment camps?
All because the weak, were willing to give up their rights, for a little security.
Whereas we wouldn't need to attack the Second Amendment, if insecurity about the future, were adequately addressed.
Why is the safety net being decimated? (So much for the idea of a secure future).
In case you hadn't noticed AA, the haves already fear the have nots and they've hidden themselves, behind walls and gated communities, with armed guards.
Ask New Orleans when in their time of crisis, if they could count on the civil authorities to provide security, at a critical time. As the looting and mayhem were near the tipping point, when civil disobedience ruled.
While the peasant class is being unarmed. because Some were willing to allow OUR guns to be taken.
Move to Watts AA where even the police will sit outside the zone, till tempers cool
Be lucky, your not a Korean shop owner and a member of Al Sharpton's team stirs a mob to racial violence.
AA, What side are you on, in the Trayvon Martin case? I don't think I want to be in that neighborhood, without a means to protect myself; if the verdict turns out to be the wrong one.
Ask the folks in Staten Island, or towns such as Oakwood Beach, Midland Beach, South Beach and Tottenville after Hurricane Sandy.
Lucky thing, order was restored quickly or one could imagine what desperate people could or would do to their neighbors.
Funny thing about the civil authorities, they tend to help the monied interests first.
Fend for yourself peasant, till help arrives.
Fend for yourself Ambassador.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 12/20/2012 - 2:52pm
The return of Resistance.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 12/20/2012 - 5:21pm
I'm shocked I tell ya, just shocked!
by Aunt Sam on Thu, 12/20/2012 - 5:38pm
"Look, open your eyes and ears, Michigan has fallen.
One can imagine Eugene Debs' ghost saying.
Remember the Pinkertons and their type;
Do you really believe the ban of assault weapons, will apply to them?
As the proponents of fracking, destroys a towns watershed, do you think the protectors of big oil, will be banned from using assault weapons, to quash angry citizens whose children are dying from the pollution ?
Debs and our heroic Union leaders would role over in their graves, knowing what it took to bring business to the table and a new generation so easily forgets.
Did the working class forget the battles, that gave voice to the middle class?
MAD brings both sides to the table.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 12/20/2012 - 7:50pm
That's mad, all right. What "table" would that be? And please advise me on the identity of the two "sides". I seem to be having trouble locating that memo.
by AmericanDreamer on Fri, 12/21/2012 - 12:39am
Resistance, is that you? I thought you seemed familiar.
by erica20 on Fri, 12/21/2012 - 1:55am
"Whenever they's a fight so hungry people can eat, I'll be there. Whenever they's a cop beatin' up a guy, I'll be there . . . . I'll be in the way guys yell when they're mad an'-I'll be in the way kids laugh when they're hungry an' they know supper's ready. An' when our folks eat the stuff they raise an' live in the houses they build-why, I'll be there."
by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 12/21/2012 - 4:12am