MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE by Michael Wolraich Order today at Barnes & Noble / Amazon / Books-A-Million / Bookshop |
By Bill Chappell, The Two-Way @ npr.org, April 27, 2013
[....] "Everybody has the feeling that Iraq is becoming a new Syria," Mosul businessman Talal Younis, 55, told the AP Wednesday. "We are heading into the unknown. ... I think that civil war is making a comeback."
On Friday, Sunni protesters in Anbar Province announced that they will form their own military force, to be called the Army of Pride and Dignity — named for Pride and Dignity Square, in Anbar's capital of Ramadi, Reuters reports.
In Ramadi Friday, journalist Omar al-Saleh of Al Jazeera was present for a sermon announcing the army's formation. He describes a religious leader asking a crowd of tens of thousands, "Do you agree to sacrifice yourselves and defending your honor?"
With violence showing no signs of abating, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki called for peace in a speech on Iraqi TV, after 10 Iraqi military and militia members were killed in two separate attacks Saturday [....]
Comments
by artappraiser on Sun, 04/28/2013 - 3:30pm
The decision to go to war with Iraq by President Bush, armed with a de facto green light from Democrats who were for the war before they were against it--or something--will share space with similar tragic ventures like the Spanish-American War. For what?
There is something to be said for the plain truth that Senator John McCain did not know the difference between Sunni and Shia back then. In short, folks like him, with Democratic help of the see no evil hear no evil variety, pushed for a war in a country they knew nothing about. States like Jordan, Syria, and Iraq were cobbled together by the "victors" in WWI, including us, with no regard for 1500 years of history. Such national boundaries, which of course focused more on what was best for Britain and France in the Great Game, failed to account for the folks who lived there, and the simmering historical conflicts that continues to endure.
Our Iraqi venture stepped right into this.
by Bruce Levine on Sun, 04/28/2013 - 4:57pm
The "de facto green light from Democrats" was given to push Hussein to open to serious inspections, 5 months before the war.
This "green light" came a month before the UN did the same, and followed reports from the CIA and other secret services re: Hussein apparently reconstituting WMD programs (the chemical/biological ones being more likely), along with such fallacious info from Powell about longer-range missile launchers & other scary disinformation.
Reprise of Powell's performance before the UN Security Council in Nov 2002 here, as bad or worse than his performance in 2003, along with the usual smears against anyone who disputed the "overwhelming evidence".
That Blix did come in and find proscribed missile components that he destroyed weeks before the war should give balance to this one-sided view. Even as late as Jan 2003, Blix thought that Hussein still had some illegal WMD's (bio-chemical), but as cooperation improved from January, he felt confident that all the weapons had been been destroyed.
There was some reasonable speculating about centrifuge tubes that was not cleared up until well into the war.
I'm also wondering your take on Israeli support for the 2nd Iraq War (even as mainstream American Jews in general opposed the war).
But mostly, I think this shared blame with Democrats is complete bullshit. There was certainly reasonable concern that Hussein was twisting our tail, and that any large-scale mobilization to the Mideast to pressure him would be met by 3 weeks of cooperation with inspectors followed by another standoff and re-deployment of troops, wasting months and a billion dollars. So supporting renewed inspections came to be seen as requiring the option of launching strikes if Hussein started playing his well-known games.
Then Bush & neocons set up the Democrats via lies so that even though we presumed Bush was ginning up the facts to go to war, there were still serious issues that denial of war powers would be gambling with American (or hey, Israeli, security - what's the difference?). Yeah, Hussein might even hit Cyprus with a missile, which after the EU's blunder allowing (Greek) Cyprus in, was then something we should presumably worry about.
Democratic ownership of the 2nd Gulf War became complete with the 2008 campaign, as the shining knight Obama faced down the old corrupt school Hillary. Obama, who'd given his famous Sept 15, 2002 street corner speech as an Illionois state legislator without security clearance or passport, had blithely declared Hussein as completely non-threatening to his neighbors - something Israel undoubtedly disagreed with and I find laughable, even if I often disagree with Israel's frequent hyperbole on the matter - in September 2002, the matter was fraught with "unknown unknowns", as Rumsfeld might say, and post-9/11, those unknowns from a Hussein who often threatened or invaded his neighbors and attacked his own, and in general played the no longer tenable unpredictable wild card for the region.
So why Democrats continue to take umbrage at the Oct 2002 vote to return the inspectors, when the real crime occurred with the Mar 2003 invasion after Blix had cleared the Iraqis - well, it's stupidity. Just like in 2009, when the Dems should have wrapped the crash around Bush's neck instead of "looking forward", we should have wrapped the unjustified Iraqi War around Bush's neck instead of following Rahm's advice and shutting up about it. (Note that those who ignored Rahm's advice in 2004 survived much better than those who tried to play the security card - history isn't kind for those who try to sit on the fence)
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/29/2013 - 10:09am
Perhaps when they voted in October, they should have realized that Bush wanted war, not inspections. At the time, I thought that he did.
by Aaron Carine on Mon, 04/29/2013 - 4:41pm
I thought Bush wanted war too. I also thought Hussein might have WMDs and be a significant danger in the region.
So as a US representative, which maniac do you back? Or do you try to thread the middle, meaning push to get in inspectors to figure out what's really going on, even though you're out of power and the GOP won't give you dick?
In this case, the compromise bought 5 months delay and when the war did come we at least knew it was a farce. What would a Democratic vote against the war have accomplished? The media ignored millions of people in the street, the bulk of voters in the end wanted the war just to show we could get revenge, even if it meant kicking the cat instead. And the Democrats were getting beat up every day as the "soft-on-security" party. Pretty humiliating time. Considering the public had knowlingly elected a moron in 2000 (or at least gave him near 50% of votes), it was hard to expect that acting like a grown-up would go far.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/29/2013 - 5:43pm
If the war would have come even without Democrats voting for it, the Democrats could at least have kept their hands clean. Principled opposition counts for something even if it doesn't stop the president from doing evil.. The public wouldn't have wanted war if Bush and the Republicans hadn't been pushing for war.
by Aaron Carine on Mon, 04/29/2013 - 6:22pm
The point is that "principled opposition" can't ignore real danger and unknowns- there are principles of protection and self-preservation too. The Administration & CIA were outright lying to Democrats & the American public - at that point, impeachment and reorganization should be justified, but instead Bush got his highest ratings ever. Media certainly didn't help. Should be lessons to learn in all this, but they still keep escaping us even 10 years later.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/29/2013 - 8:26pm
Well, like I said, they probably should have realized that Bush would go to war even if the inspectors were let in. Under those circumstances, living with the unknown was better than giving him authorization to go to war.
by Aaron Carine on Mon, 04/29/2013 - 9:42pm
Amen to this Bruce:
States like Jordan, Syria, and Iraq were cobbled together by the "victors" in WWI, including us, with no regard for 1500 years of history. Such national boundaries, which of course focused more on what was best for Britain and France in the Great Game, failed to account for the folks who lived there, and the simmering historical conflicts that continues to endure.
It's kind of incredible to realize that neo-conservative foreign policy could exceed the stupidity of these ancestor Great Gamesmen, but every day further it seems like they come closer to that goal. Hubris and naivete in a warped togetherness. Sometimes it seems someone like Paul Wolfowitz or Dick Cheney are really the human characters in the ancient Grecian myths of the gods.
by artappraiser on Mon, 04/29/2013 - 11:15pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 04/30/2013 - 12:20am