An example of the vetting that Sander's hasn't had

An example of the vetting that Sander's hasn't had

By CVille Dem on Sun, 04/17/2016 - 7:24pm |

This was surprising to me, but it is but a flea on the ass of an elephant compared to what the GOP would come up with. Bernie has been left alone because Republicans seriously don't want to run against Hiilary. They have so much stuff on Bernie that they are keeping their powder dry.

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/8/1481494/-Sierra-Blanca-Bernie-Sanders-Paul-Wellstone-a-Poor-Minority-Community-and-a-Nuclear-Waste-Dump

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Bernie has shown me that he is very limited as a candidate, and even as a Senator.

by CVille Dem on Sun, 04/17/2016 - 7:26pm

URL:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/8/1481494/-Sierra-Blanca-Bernie-San...

by CVille Dem on Sun, 04/17/2016 - 7:29pm

If you brand yourself as a Saint, stories like this are damning.,Sanders had few minority activists in his corner. This story adds to the perception that black activists in Vermont had of Bernie Sanders. Sanders does not get to the heart of black issues. As noted in another article in the "In the News" section, Bernie is winning with white votes.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-is-winning-the-states-that-l...

Sanders has tone-deafness when he slams Hillary's victories in the South. It suggests black votes are unimportant.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/16/why-is-bernie-sanders-s...

Sanders big crowd in Brooklyn was mostly white and there was no mention of the gun violence plaguing sections of Brooklyn that is a major concern of black voters.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/18/bernie-sanders-s-browns...

by rmrd0000 on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 9:51am

Please provide one instance where Bernie Sanders has branded himself "a saint".

by HSG on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 10:07am

Here is a link to Sanders criticizing Clinton's fundraisers hosted by George Clooney. Sanders says that that fundraising does not belong in the Democratic Party. Sanders says that he has test the higher bar, the bar of a leader by his method of fundraising. Sanders classifies himself as pure.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-criticizes-hillary-clinton...

George Clooney had the best response to Sanders. A portion of the funds go to downstream candidates.

http://www.npr.org/2016/04/17/474585666/george-clooney-on-a-big-money-di...

by rmrd0000 on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 10:24am

Here is a shorter version

http://thedailybanter.com/2016/04/here-is-the-best-defense-yet-against-b...

by rmrd0000 on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 10:26am

1) At no point does Sanders call or "brand himself a saint" or suggest anything remotely like that. Do you retract your claim that he does?

2) Clooney said: "We had some protesters last night when we pulled up in San Francisco and they're right to protest. They're absolutely right. It is an obscene amount of money[.]" Clooney also said: "The Sanders campaign when they talk about it is absolutely right. It's ridiculous that we should have this kind of money in politics. I agree completely." Is Clooney correct when he says Sanders is "absolutely right"?

by HSG on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 12:25pm

Hal, the entire basis of Sanders campaign is that he is purer than Hillary because he is not a corporate prostitute. His surrogates echo the same message.

Yes there is too much money in politics. If Democrats did what Sanders advised regarding finances, there would be zero change of capturing the Senate. Can you be honest enough to admit that fact?

by rmrd0000 on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 12:34pm

I think unilateral disarmament by the Democratic party at this point would make it even harder for it to recapture the majority in either House. That doesn't mean we shouldn't support the better candidate for President or support individuals running for office who forsake corporate bribes. Sanders says we should vote for him in part because he is not beholden to corporate interests. He does not contend he is a saint and has never said anything of the kind. I assume you recognize this and will no longer so claim.

by HSG on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 1:02pm

What happens in the Vatican stays in the Vatican.

by Oxy Mora on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 1:15pm

Well, how do we know he's telling the truth? This is from the link I provided below:

· Sanders accepted $10,000 from a Hillary superPAC in 2006 when he was running for re-election. Apparently superPAC money is only bad when Hillary is his opponent; otherwise, he’s okay with it.

· Sanders accepts money from PACs. The PAC money he has accepted has typically been from unions, lobbying groups, single-issue groups, and other special interest groups, but these are still PACs — they just happen to be for groups in industries that he does not revile. The fact that they are left-leaning does not mean they are not PACs.

· Sanders insinuates, and has started to state outright, that Hillary and other Democrats’ positions on Wall Street form, universal health care, and climate change are based on ties to those industries. The insinuation itself is at odds with history. The Democrats enacted Dodd-Frank (which has a process for breaking up banks) after the financial crisis — how or why did they do this if they are all the corporate shills that Sanders claims they are? Obama raised over a billion dollars to get elected in 2008 and then again to be re-elected in 2012 and has done more for progressive causes than anyone since LBJ — is he a corporate shill, bought and sold, corrupt? Did his climate change efforts not go far enough because he is corrupt, or because of implacable GOP opposition? Are the Democrats who have pushed for health care for years, including Hillary, lying when they put forward a platform that calls for progressive change?

by CVille Dem on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 1:20pm

In the end it doesn't really matter whether the corporadems really believe the pro-corporate nonsense they spout or are bought off. What truly matters is where people stood, stand, and will stand. Sanders has consistently - excepting guns - stood firmly on the side of the American people against the corporatists. With Clinton, the only constant is an ever-shifting kaleidescope of mutating positions based on the wishes of her corporate funders filtered through the much more progressive preferences of Democratic voters whom she must placate.

Corporadem policies, during both the Clinton and Obama administrations, led to more and more wealth in fewer and fewer hands. If you want to call him an economic progressive, you have to account for, among other things, his support for middle-class destroying trade deals and his willingness to cut social security. In any case, this election is between Sanders and Clinton. Obama is not on the ballot.

by HSG on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 1:39pm

From Huffington Post, when a Sanders campaign operative was asked about his stance on the minimum wage. The purity complex comes out as an example of how compromise (which is how governing gets done) is simply not in his DNA:

“Well, I think you would have to directly ask Senator Sanders that question,” said Symone Sanders (no relation), a spokeswoman for the campaign. “I haven’t asked Senator Sanders myself, ‘Would you sign the $12 bill or would you not sign the bill?’ But what I can say is he is a staunch advocate and proponent that we need a $15 minimum wage, that there are people in this country working 40, 50, 60 hours a week and they can’t earn enough money to put food on the table for their families. He has also said that we don’t have to settle for incremental change, and our opinion is, a $12 minimum wage is incremental change.”

So, evidently going from $7.50 to $12 is just not good enough, we'll just leave it at $7.50. That'll show 'em!

by CVille Dem on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 1:40pm

Since you acknowledge correctly that this is basically a non-story (you call it a flea on an elephant), why do you even mention it? If there's an elephant out there, wouldn't it make sense for you to bring it up?

by HSG on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 10:08am

Sanders has no in depth knowledge of foreign policy

http://www.mediaite.com/online/bernie-sanders-whiffs-badly-on-another-bi...

by rmrd0000 on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 10:32am

He knew enough not to support the War on Iraq and to disbelieve W. He knows enough to oppose a "no-fly zone". He didn't support a military coup in Honduras. He doesn't say we need to take our relationship with Israel "to the next level". Do you see how easy and obvious it is that Sanders is the better choice RMRD?

by HSG on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 12:21pm

Hal, Bernie is in a protected Senate seat with no real opposition. We have never seen Sanders have to make a decision when anything was at risk. He has done absolutely nothing in the Senate. Warren created an agency, so she has accomplishments. Frank had Dodd-Frank. Sanders has rhetoric.

Edit to add:

Sanders has rhetoric on Israel. He supported Israel's action in Gaza.

by rmrd0000 on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 12:41pm

I don't acknowledge that this is a non-story. The "elephant" I was referring to is the large body of negatives on Bernie that are out there. The GOP wants to run against him so they are pouring it all on HRC. The reason I didn't bring the other stuff up is because I don't research Bernie negatives. This piece was on TPM and I was, as I explained I was surprised and decided to share it here.

Here is another one. It is very long but very objective as far as utter take-downs go:

https://medium.com/@robinalperstein/on-becoming-anti-bernie-ee87943ae699...

by CVille Dem on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 11:43am

From your Robin Alperstein article: "this post is not a comparative assessment of the two candidates or of their campaign platforms". Okay then. But then she does launch a number of false attacks on Sanders that I've responded to on a number of occasions and haven't the time or inclination to rebut at this time. I note Alperstein is a complex litigation lawyer who touts among her "Representative Matters":

Defending witnesses before the SEC in connection with various investigations involving credit default swaps, CDOs and CLOs.

Defending several hedge funds and a health care company in the Tribune fraudulent conveyance actions.
Defending several hedge funds in the Lyondell fraudulent conveyance actions.

Defending a holding company and individual against claims for conspiracy to commit fraud in connection with an alleged “pump and dump” market manipulation scheme on London and German stock exchanges.
Defending publicly traded domestic company against wage and hour class action in New York state court.
Advised hedge fund in connection with investigation of Ponzi scheme and corporate governance issues.
Defeated market manipulation class action brought against foreign holding company and individual directors in Southern District of New York.

Defeated antitrust and RICO class actions claims brought against large domestic insurance company.

Does this record suggest to you that Ms. Alperstein is on your side or would you say it's more likely she's on the side of the big bankers, hedge fund managers, and market manipulators?

by HSG on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 12:19pm

...And not one comment about the substance of her criticisms. I see why you like Bernie. You are two peas in a pod. Anyone who has anything to do with oil or finance is tarnished. It's so simple, really. Perhaps too simple?

by CVille Dem on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 1:04pm

Sorry but I have better things to do than regurgitate arguments easily found here and elsewhere in order to rebut a hedge fund industry mouthpiece who herself doesn't provide any support for her debunked claims.

Oh and do you think America's economic interests align with or are contrary to those of financial services industry lawyers like Alperstein?

by HSG on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 1:47pm

As far as I know, not a lot of attention has been given the state of Vermont. If Sanders is in any way tied to the abusive tactics of Gov. Shumlin, Democrat, the Republicans would have a field day. Shumlin hired a gang of auditors to look for tax loop holes. Hundreds of residents and small businessmen were hounded on bizarre grounds, like a dentist who for years had been giving away tooth brushes was in violation of a state sales tax law.. I had to hire a lawyer on what was a completely bogus attempt to extort taxes. I'm still a Democrat but I doubt the dentist is. Bernie doesn't have to be tied directly to this, the sleazeballs will do it for him. I'm just saying that Vermont is not the sanitary state that everyone so far assumes that it is and Bernie is vulnerable in this area, because after all, he is a Senator, and Republicans will be Refuclicans

by Oxy Mora on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 1:17pm

"If Sanders is in any way tied to the abusive tactics of Gov. Shumlin, Democrat, the Republicans would have a field day." Shumlin has endorsed Clinton and like her rejects single-payer healthcare. Birds of a feather you know.

by HSG on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 1:50pm

Gosh, don't live there anymore and didn't know about that endorsement.

Might vote for Bernie.

Wait a minute, you mean to tell me that Sanders can't even get endorsed by his own governor?

Why do you say the governor is against single payer?

by Oxy Mora on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 5:36pm

Here's an article that details the demise of single-payer in Vermont under Peter Shumlin's stewardship. Some healthcare activists blame Shumlin. To be fair, others don't. I was wrong to say he's against single-payer. In fact, his decision to abandon it may have been based on political realities rather than personal preference. Moreover, I take your word for the claim that his office acted abusively. I don't have strong feelings about Shumlin one way or the other.

by HSG on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 5:50pm

The political reality was that the state was too small to implement it.

by Oxy Mora on Mon, 04/18/2016 - 6:40pm

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