MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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By Danielle Paquette @ Wonkblog @ WashingonPost.com, 3 hrs. ago
More than 9,500 of the 370,000 solar jobs across the country have cropped up in North Carolina alone, an Energy Department study found. The growth in the clean-energy field followed federal government tax credits and other supports in the Obama administration. But President Trump’s rejection of the Paris climate accord could be devastating for people who benefited directly from Obama-era incentives.
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by artappraiser on Mon, 06/05/2017 - 7:24pm
How Absurd Are Trump’s Lies About Coal? The Entire Industry Is Hiring Less Than Tesla.
@ Moneybox @ Slate.com, June 5
by artappraiser on Mon, 06/05/2017 - 8:50pm
These low pay no benefits and transient solar jobs are better than no jobs but they are not a path to prosperity. They will be attractive to some people and probably illegal aliens who are prevelant in this level of construction.
The important thing for coal miners is keeping the high paying careers they now have and Trump's scuttling of the Paris agreement will help to stop the job loses in the coal fields everywhere. I read that Tesla has a higher market cap than GM and yet with all its growth and investment there is no profit yet and may not be for quite some time. This looks like a market speculation bubble to me that could burst and crash due to many variables including the shortage of cobalt needed for the batteries.
by Peter (not verified) on Mon, 06/05/2017 - 9:59pm
Compare with Amazon. Years of no profits, but useful business cornering one market after another. It's not a bubble, it is a type of speculation.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 06/06/2017 - 12:14am
I doubt your claims. I know someone in the solar business in Tucson. He's given me a dozen damaged solar panels most that are repairable. I live off the grid and have been expanding my system with these panels. He told me he has more work orders than he can handle because he can't find enough skilled workers. He doesn't hire illegal workers. They pay is good, full time often with overtime, and good benefits. I have a second friend who has told me the same story.
You always make your claims without data to back it up. I rarely do that. I admit that I have not seen data to support my friends' story. I haven't seen any statistics either nationwide or in Arizona. I know they are telling the truth but I can't say their experience is normal in the nation or in Arizona. I know Arizona has a lot of illegals, perhaps they are the only two solar businesses in the state that don't hire them. Perhaps because Arizona is such a good state for solar, long sunny days with almost no clouds, that the labor market is incredibly tight here.
So you can doubt my claims based solely on reports from two friends. That's insufficient evidence. But I suspect you have no evidence at all to back up your claims and you're simply pulling it out of your ass. That's usually where you get your information.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 06/06/2017 - 1:22am
there is some related info. including on pay, in the WaPo article on NC:
Cantazaro is certainly smart about wanting to work up to electrician in solar, I can't frigging afford an electrician for any electrical problems in in my house, got to go with the handymen and cross my fingers that they know what they are doing....
by artappraiser on Tue, 06/06/2017 - 1:49am
there is also this chart:
by artappraiser on Tue, 06/06/2017 - 1:38am
The vast majority of jobs in the solar business are installer positions as the earlier Bloomberg article pointed out. while this single electrican who is probably not certified is working cheap for his job description. I can't recall where i read that the average wage for installers was about $8.50/hr so i usually use the $10/hr figure. and compare them with Mc Donald's employees, hardly a desireable blue collar career. One or two electricians can handle a job that employs many installers and they can handle multiple jobs that reqire multiple installation crews.
Solar is growing and will continue to grow and US contractors will continue to profit from installing Chinese solar systems. The hype in these investment opportunity promotional opinion pieces may help bring in the massave amount of capital needed to build out this industry. It's understandable that they don't want to dwell on the poor slobs who will do most of the work for little pay.
A customer of mine is in this solar instillation business and says there isn't as much profit as his homebuilding business produces. He is looking for investors to provide financing to homeowners for these systems as this is where the larger long term profits will be made.
by Peter (not verified) on Tue, 06/06/2017 - 1:49pm
A dialog with you is an exercise in google searching to debunk the unsourced bullshit you spout. It's such a waste of time I try to avoid doing it. One look at your claims caused me to doubt. Personal reports from friends left me convinced you were wrong. So, as usual, I did a search to check your claims.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 06/06/2017 - 3:37pm
I suppose if you know little or nothing about the construction industry and are easily led by bait and switch statistics you might believe these numbers. Art's real example of the electrican earning $20/hr while a crew of 20 did the low skil, low payl instillation work is the reality of this industry.
It appears that the definition of 'installer' includes most everyone involved in the project so the average wage is skewed to reflect a well paying career that doesn't exist but is used to promote the industry to the gullible public. Even the government report mentioned that some areas require electricians to do the installation which with a little cherry-picking can help to increase that average wage in their calculations. The bait and switch was more obvious in the Bloomberg promotion where they admitted that most of the jobs were installer positions but then used an industry average wage to promote their investments.
by Peter (not verified) on Wed, 06/07/2017 - 10:01am
you're wrong, you're not not reading my quoted article correctly, read it again. He's not an electrician, he's making $20 an hour for unskilled "technician" work, and living costs are so low around there--he's renting a 4-bedroom house on his pay-- that he's pretty sure that will enable him to pay to study for an electrician license, he implies doing that he can move up to the solar jobs that earn a lot more.
He does also mention that they get a lot of overtime work in summer...where the savings part probably comes in
I am not going to look it up because I am not interested in dead end disappearing work, but i doubt someone doing bottom of the ladder work in coal mining makes a lot more. The point: unskilled labor of this type is disappearing, you need training, education of some type, to make more money.. Even in coal: automation.
Major takeaway: he's excited about continuing to work in solar, even once he gets an electrician license, he would stay in that field, he sees a future there.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/07/2017 - 10:48am
Peter time for your GOP Trumpkin reprogramming : Trump says solar panels on The Wall are a fantastic way to pay for The Wall. Solar is a goldmine, or maybe a coal mine.
The buck doesn't even slow down on Trump's desk.
by NCD on Wed, 06/07/2017 - 1:51pm
I wonder sometimes if Peter is someone who wants anything to do with the GOP, he reminds me of an unregistered Peter who posted here years ago, very much a lefty, The current Peter sounds like a big Trump fan under the impression that he Trump is a savior of the good ole strong union labor days, where he imagines Trump is and anti-global trade and protectionist, where it's only the workers of the world that should unite.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/07/2017 - 2:13pm
Uniquely connected to a reality of Red/Borg Queens, Clintonites, climate Warmers and on record as afraid liberals would follow him to the ends of the earth (Antarctica) to irritate him with their smug palliatve care and suffocating elitism?
by NCD on Wed, 06/07/2017 - 2:36pm
Your posts are always some version of, Are you gonna believe me or your lying eyes? I'm going to believe the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics instead of you. And numerous other sites that come up with similar numbers.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 06/07/2017 - 4:38pm
Trumpers believe Trump.
Trump says the Labor Department puts out phony numbers.
And of course, Trump has yet to nominate a Commissioner, Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Any figures put out are part of the vast Obama/Clintonite/Warmer/Chinese world conspiracy that Donald and his minions see through.
by NCD on Wed, 06/07/2017 - 4:48pm
Here you go, lol:
Donald Trump Reportedly Suggested Covering Border Wall With Solar Panels
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/07/2017 - 1:20am
Only need panels on the northern side where it's bright and sunny, whereas the southern side is cloudy and gloomy. Can put sombreros on the top and sell fruity drinks. #GotMyRoseColoredGlassesOn
PS - wonder if Ross Perot ever considered that Great Sucking Sound is just because we suck?
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 06/07/2017 - 2:00am