MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Members of Congress practice for an annual baseball game held in Alexandria, Va.
Some 'terrorist' fired 50? shots or more hours ago at those members hours ago.
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Members of Congress congregate at a baseball field in Alexandria, VA
Some gunman showed up firing 50? shots at these members as well as bystanders.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/police-shots-ymca-alexandria-virginia_us_5941217fe4b003d5948c43d0?9u&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
by Richard Day on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 8:24am
Shooter IDed as James T Hodgkinson
Media talking point
Bernie Sanders supporter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/14/baseball-shooting-james-t-hod...
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 11:17am
According to WSJ, the shooter is dead.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 11:47am
According to Alex Jones it never happened.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 12:42pm
False Flag
False Flag
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 12:53pm
Suspect’s friend said he is ‘not evil,’ believes he was fed up with politicians
from Washington Post Live Coverage, 2:12 pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 2:50pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 3:02pm
Gabby Giffords released a statement
http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/14/frmer-arizona-rep-gabby-giffords-...
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 10:08am
Hey Dick...
It obviously goes without saying... But, no matter one's political persuasion, this is a very grave development.
~OGD~
by oldenGoldenDecoy on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 10:37am
As it was with Sandy Hook, Gabby Giffords, etc.......
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 10:42am
Oh I agree Ducky.
This was an assassination attempt for sure.
And this is serious business.
by Richard Day on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 10:47am
The difference between Sandy Hook and the Congressmen is protection by a Congressional security team and Capitol police. The people at Sandy Hook died.
Edit to add:
Mass shootings are pretty common.
http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/12/26/2016-in-review-mass-shootings-in-a...
2nd Edit to add:
June 12th was the one year anniversary of the massacre at Pulse nightclub in Orlando and the 54th anniversary of the assassination of a Edgar Evers.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 11:06am
Really?
That makes me feel so much better.
~OGD~
by oldenGoldenDecoy on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 11:05am
Welcome to the United States.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 11:07am
TPM is reporting he hated Trump and thought Hillary was just another Republican. He was a supporter of...of....... link tpm
by NCD on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 12:48pm
Hillary "Republican in a pantsuit", Wow.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 12:56pm
Build the Wall now.....oh wait...
by NCD on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 1:34pm
GOP leadership will call for unity
GOP membership will yell that the Left is killing people on the Right.
GOP will fundraise off the event.
Bernie Sanders will apologize
Discussion of gun control will not happen.
Rinse, repeat
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 2:19pm
rmrd0000 and all you Dag Folks...
In 1960 my old next door neighbor Rod Serling wrote about this type of mass parnonia.
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~OGD~
by oldenGoldenDecoy on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 6:40pm
Oh Ducky, I recall this episode like most of us over 50? or 60? hahahhahahahah
I always liked this episode.
Recall in the 50's and all those commies would end our 'liberties'.
And new Alien and Sedition Acts were enacted every goddamn year. haOh NOHAVE YOU O
ducky I love this episode.
by Richard Day on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 7:55pm
DD, I just deleted 104 duplicate comments from you. I think that's a new record.
by Michael Wolraich on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 10:29pm
What the hell? My comments have never duplicated. I'm not even in the competition. What am I doing wrong?
by ocean-kat on Thu, 06/15/2017 - 12:18am
I crashed for 6 hours.
That is the record!
I switched to Chrome and all was ducky and then.....
by Richard Day on Thu, 06/15/2017 - 5:14am
It's ok Richard. If I just posted 104 duplicate comments I'd be so worn out I'd crash for 6 hours too. That's just the cost of going for the gold. I think your new record will stand for a long time. Good job!
by ocean-kat on Thu, 06/15/2017 - 1:19pm
That was a classic!
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 10:49pm
Today's attack was the 153rd mass shooting in 2017
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/congress-mass-shooting_us_59414b06e4...
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 4:38pm
Yeah, good point.
I just read that minutes ago.
And the def on that 'mass shooting' is 4 or more or something like that.
See, even if one attempts a description of this carnage, it might sound trite.
These are human beings being killed by other human beings.
And yet, we call some mass shootings domestics.
And yet, we call some mass shootings as accomplished by 'mentally defectives'.
And then we call other mass shootings terrorist in nature.
BUT IN THE END THE VICTIMS ARE DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!
by Richard Day on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 4:47pm
still, politically or ideologically motivated violent mass attacks are different in that they are intended to have an effect on all those that live on
whereas some are just clearly either the "15 minutes of fame" thing operating (giving the attacker a sense of power in face of what we mock as "existential pain") or just mad as hell and not going to take it anymore, want to hurt people ("gone postal")
I think the first can properly be labeled terrorism as it is meant to terrorize the living into changing something...
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 5:33pm
p.s. saying that, popped into my mind how often war these days uses terrorism of the population at large where it used to supposedly have "gentleman's rules" of a duel between nation states or factions. Follows where those mass attacker categories can cross over: the power of high-power weapons makes the attacker feel he has the power of like a nation state. And this is at the heart of the argument of a lot of First Amendment people, that they give civilians power. should the jackboots come. Was one of former dagblog member Resistance's favorite pro-NRA arguments. One would counter: your stupid automatic weapon is useless against a tank or bombs dropped from a plane. And it wouldn't matter because an automatic weapon gives a sense of power or confidence against a well-armed adversary. And what I gleaned from that: the weakest point of NRA type arguments is the handgun. They don't really have a strong Constitutional argument for concealed handguns. It's just about a feeling of manhood or security. And handguns do the most damage of useless deaths in this country.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 5:51pm
On the gun regulation issue. The new Washington Post article on the shooter, from which I have excerpted on his angry politics upthread, is also very good on the gun topic. A picture is clearly drawn of someone who can't control their anger, how that does not mix with guns. (The Gabbie Giffords shooting was not the same, that was with a known mental illness history, should be easier to deny registration.) This guy clearly just had an anger management problem, and also happened to be a passionist progressive. But a history of uncontrolled anger is the clear problem; from the second half of the article
For gun control advocates, the problem is: how could one deny such people guns? You'd have to leave that decision up to police records. And that is also the problem. While few get upset when a person who has a bad police record as to driving automobiles is refused a license to drive, when it comes to guns, first amendment people don't exactly cotton to the idea that the law is the one who is saying who is too angry to have a gun and who is not. It all hinges on whether we have faith that our law is always going to be the people's law of the common good and not of a dictator.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 3:24pm
The point is that gun control will not be a major part of the discussion. The focus will be on the crazy Left.
Edit to add:
https://thedailybanter.com/2017/06/right-wing-hypocrisy-takes-center-stage/
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 3:56pm
well, I would counter that if there if gun control advocates have no solution to offer about gun owners like this, best not to get into it anyways...
I am totally resigned to what is upsetting you, I am surprised it didn't happen sooner. I expect nothing less from righties to make big talking points of this after seeing lefties make big talking points on blogs for years about evil righties going postally violent, and how lefties never do this. Perhaps it will eventually turn out well, as after righties get their rocks off on the tit-for-tat, they realize that they cannot lock all passionate lefties up or have law enforcement follow each one around, but must do something about gun registration.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 4:08pm
I'm not upset. I'm just stating the facts about gun control. If nothing happened after Sandy Hook, nothing is going to change.
The Right is incapable of the insight required to face the fact that the Left can go postal in response to the Right going postal.. The Right never stakes responsibility for evil carried out in their name. The Left will always beg forgiveness.
https://www.vox.com/2017/6/14/15801600/scalise-shooting-bernie-sanders-s...
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 4:19pm
You have a point here AA; one that I think about all the time.
Remember the Black Panthers?
Well that group was an espouser of Second Amendment rights.
And the leaders made sure that there were plenty of pix with members holding guns.
AND THAT WAS THE 70'S.
TIT FOR TAT AS YOU SAY!
350 million guns amongst a population of 350 million folks with only 40%? owning guns?
But the right is probably already writing and tweeting and talking about left terrorists?
by Richard Day on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 4:26pm
The Black Panthers got the NRA to support gun control.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-panthers-california-1967_us_56...
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 4:29pm
YEAH rmrd.
Yeah.
OH MY GOD WE CAN SELL MORE GUNS TO ANYONE.
Praise Jesus!
by Richard Day on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 6:08pm
We forget about all the other violent far left movements of the 60's and 70's, Baader Manhoff et. al. The mystery is why that faded and violence is now a favored tool of those trying to return to "the old ways" of the conservative morals of some book or leader or preacher or theory....
seems to me that for the last decades, it's rapid change that causes anger enough to go for violent methods?
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 4:35pm
You could ban 100 round magazines, but gun enthusiasts say it's fun and an adrenaline rush to blow off a hundred or more rounds in a matter of seconds.
Also, the founding fathers didn't outlaw AK-47s or big magazines.
by NCD on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 4:00pm
certainly sounds from the WaPo article that this guy enjoyed that kind of thing.
I have a personal prejudice about this I will share, have zero scientific proof. Only experience with four masculine brothers all younger than big sister me, a small feminine wimp. I think people who like to do this, and also people who have anger control issues, have an excess of some kind of hormone. A hormone more common in people who are more male on the sliding scale of sexual identity. You see it in little boys, most grow out of it. (Fireworks, explosives, playing army, etc.) You see it in extremely butch lesbians. You see it in military training where they recruit these types and then try to train them so that it can be used in a command structure. It is also common that people who have excess of it, do not grow out of it, do not do well in school, so they end up in blue collar or aggressive sales work or the like.
Some day we will have a better idea of who should be allowed a bionic stun phaser and who should not?
P.S. Edit to add: the complexity and irony of my personal experience: the brother who had the most violent fantasy life as a little kid, and was allowed to blow off that steam with plenty of toy guns and the like, was an ADHD type in schooling. Today he is the one least interested in firearms or anything to do with them, though he still has anger management issues, they have faded with age, he is calmer. He like basketball and bike riding. While the most intellectual and brother followed my father's interests into hunting, fishing and responsible use of firearms, pretty avid, actually, it's like it lets him blow off stress from having to control anger regarding his work, day in, day out.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 4:28pm
There certainly is a subset of people who love making things explode. I lived in a rural area where it was easy to get things that explode and far enough away from public areas that it was easy to explode things. I remember when I was a young teen getting M-80, the most powerful firecracker it was legal to buy. Pretty dangerous, unlike smaller firecrackers that could blow of part of a finger an M-80 could blow of most of a hand if you weren't careful. I tossed off a few, saw the big flaming explosion and heard the big bang but got bored with it very quick. I never bothered to do it again.
Some people as you pointed out never grow out of it. Since buying large explosives is strictly regulated as adults they buy propane tanks for 20 to 40 dollars and fill them for another $20. Then they shoot at them until they explode. I don't get why that's fun.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 5:41pm
Comes to mind heavy metal head banger music has some of this thing, has always struck me that the guitarists could just as well be shooting off an automatic rifle. A good harmless substitute?
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 6:03pm
ocean-kat... It's the rush...
The adrenaline rush...
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~OGD~
by oldenGoldenDecoy on Thu, 06/15/2017 - 5:15pm
Here is the intellectual content on the Right. An Evangelical preacher says that we should stop demonizing politicians. The same preacher said that Obama was paving the way for the Anti-Christ. The pastor does not believe that his words demonized Obama.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/robert-jeffress-demonization-polltic...
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 5:59pm
Oh, I know the sophistry that helps him rationalize this I wanna try at it! It's like this: the faithful are powerless against Revelation. Obama is just an agent of the devil, the real enemy is the devil. Then one gets into how to defeat the devil, that advice will vary.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 6:07pm
They are in a bubble
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 6:20pm
I would like to thank some anonymous grownups at the White House for small favors, that Trump has not said anything inflammatory yet. (Could be the Secret Service has had some input?) Things could be much worse. Gingrich types would do different and already have.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 7:26pm
ah hear we go, lest we forget, we are reminded that baseball has now been attacked as well, one of the few supposedly non-violent gentlemanly pursuits left, woe is us, is apple pie next? America is lost...
An Attack on Congress and Baseball by Steve Israel @ NYTimes.com: It matters that the shooting took place on a baseball diamond, one of the few places where bipartisanship survives.
Surely George Will has already opined along these lines, if not, it's coming soon.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 7:39pm
Of course, if Trump and the Republican Congress take us back to when America was really great, 1838, there was no baseball.
The Founding Fathers never experienced the bipartisan camaraderie of a baseball diamond, but nevertheless endured.
by NCD on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 7:56pm
but NCD, without baseball, the terrorists win!
(and please don't get into that whole thing where King George considered America to be terrorist, that was solved later by: baseball!)
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 8:14pm
Baseball is a lie that led us directly to Trump. Or as Trump would call it, "truthful hyperbole." According to the rule book baseball is played on a 90 foot square. But what do we call it? A Diamond. How very Trumpian.
by ocean-kat on Thu, 06/15/2017 - 1:23pm
James Hodgkinson’s long descent into rage
'Nobody really knew anything about him.'
By Lorraine Woellert, Josh Meyer & Alan Greenblatt @ Politico.com, Updated 06/14/2017 07:29 PM EDT
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/14/2017 - 9:25pm