MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Kid Rock as a U.S. Senator?
By wabby on Thu, 07/13/2017 - 7:24am |I'm absolutely speechless.
Embarrassed.
Horrified.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/12/kid-rock-senate/4736...
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http://nypost.com/2017/07/12/kid-rock-hints-at-potential-us-senate-run/
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My only hope.....
Me: "Oh my god! Kid Rock is actually gonna run for the Senate!"
Mr. Flower: "Who is Kid Rock?"
He will have about zero name recognition because you have to use your legal name on the ballot. I suppose he's assuming because he will be running as a Republican, he'll win.
by wabby on Thu, 07/13/2017 - 8:19am
Oh, I'm hoping they recognize it - even in the days when I liked him, I was in the minority of the kool kidz. These days? Motor City Idiot with an Alabama accent. He can legally change his name to Kid Rock as well - for what purrpuss?
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 07/13/2017 - 9:24am
Your comment, along with my writing up a comment elsewhere, got me thinking about the hard core right wing 33% or so of our electorate. I just have this feeling that the majority of them are not fond of any celebs from the arts, that they don't fall for that, even if the celebs do the conservative role play well. Just got this hunch that they are anti-pop-culture in general, whether conservative because of religion or for other reasons, might probably agree with characterizations like Motor City Idiot with an Alabama accent We tend to hear the loudest voices, the yahoos who go to campaign rallies or support things like Tea Parties, in support of conservative celebs. But I just doubt that the majority of the hard core conservative voters like such folks simply because many of them are often deadly serious folks themselves? Now conservative political talk radio hosts or TV anchors or pundits would be a whole different story, those they might fall for. But anyone from the arts, a musician or actor: nah.
by artappraiser on Thu, 07/13/2017 - 12:17pm
Listen to this all the way through and tell me who it's gonna please. And that was before he went in for the rigjt-wing asshole schtick.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 07/13/2017 - 3:43pm
LOL! I did not do al; the way through but luckily I did manage to sit through more than half so I get your point now. He hates the same b.s. country shit I do, that all those white working class guys still love. So scratch them off the list, scratch all god-fearing folks off the list. Drugs, hos, sheet, I just don't know who, are there a lot of black gansta rap conservatives? Hah....
Suffice it to say: methinks a p.r. stunt to reinvigorate some kinda brand? Because right now can't see a constituency for the music much less politics. Nihilists?
by artappraiser on Thu, 07/13/2017 - 5:45pm
Donald Trump is a reality TV star. They love Jon Voight and Scott (Chachi) Baio.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 07/13/2017 - 4:55pm
I am not talking about the unusual coalition of Trump fans.
I'm talking about the conservatives, 1/3 of the country, who will reliably vote for the Republican candidate for president whoever it is, even if they have to hold their nose, decade in, decade out. And who will vote for whoever is the most conservative down ticket. I am suggesting--just intuition from paying attention for decades to who those people are--that most of those people will not go for an actor or musician or loose celeb type down ticket, they will not be fans, they will not strongly support someone like that.
Trump did not sell himself as a right winger, that's not how he won. He actually dissed a lot of the other GOP type of conservatives: Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Bush types. While he tried to cater to religious right, he certainly has not lived a life and morals to appeal to them, that's why he had to pick Pence for V.P. Pence is their type, Trump is not, even though he did not have a rep as a musician or an entertainer, but as a businessman. They'll tolerate a businessman, a TV pundit, or similiar "serious" enough person, but I think an arts person might be a step too far for most of them. I don't think a lot of them are fans of Trump. Pence, Ryan, yeah, but not Trump. Freedom Caucus members, not Trump.
This is an issue I've been frustrated in with discussions with you. I agree with you 100% that Dems will never reach the 1/3 of the country that is far right conservatives, that's been very clear since the Reagan era if not earlier.. Where I disagree with you is that those have anything to do with the Trump voters that pushed him over the edge to a win. Dems have to win some more of those.that are not far right 1/3. Those that Trump won over, not part of far right 1/3, some of whom previously voted for Obama for similar reasons: they saw Obama as a moderate or "in the middle", not far left, not far right and willing to be bi-partisan.
by artappraiser on Thu, 07/13/2017 - 5:31pm
People who voted for Trump feel that they were abandoned during 8 years of Obama. I don't see how you win them back. If the Republicans screw with Obamacare, that could cause an uprising, but the full impact would not come until after the next Presidential election, so Republicans could still survive elections. The stock market is up. Job growth was better than expected. What's the Democratic message to your target audience?
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 07/13/2017 - 6:07pm
We cannot pretend that race didn't play a role in Obama voters switching to Trump, when clearly it did. Here is what a group of these voters told Time magazine.
http://time.com/voices-from-democratic-counties-where-trump-won-big/
Race was more important than economics in Obama voters switching to Trump. Hillary's campaign focused on economic issues, not "identity politics". During economic strife, racists may look to Democrats to save them. Once the economy is more stable, racism rears its head again. The racists complain that they are suffering because of minorities and immigrants.
http://www.salon.com/2017/03/30/new-election-theory-did-working-class-wh...
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 07/14/2017 - 8:23am
Your first link, from Time, is gleaned from interviews with 16 Obama voters who voted for Trump, none of which show any indications of racism and in addition, one of them appears to be black, Darryl Wimbley, 48, Saginaw, Mich. (While not appearing racist, Mr. Wimbley does have some interesting, different things to say about racism.)
Your second link, from Salon, is a self-admitted "theory" op-ed by Amanda Marcotte twisting the economic and class reasons cited by many for this phenomenon into something about race. I find it to be illogical if not sophist. She's just throwing it out there hoping someone will find some facts to make it stick.
Edit to add: I simply cannot label any white person who voted for a black man to be president of their country to be racist against people with black skin. It just doesn't compute, is not my definition of racism. They may hate ghetto inhabitants or Maxine Waters and the Congressional Black Caucus, immigrants, or Asians or welfare recipients or could be Islamaphobes, but if they voted for Obama, they do not have prejudice against people with black skin. Period, end of story, definition of racism: hating people because of their race alone. Hating a culture or special interest group or class is not the same thing, it is not racism.
by artappraiser on Fri, 07/14/2017 - 1:55pm
You have an opinion about what computes as racism for you. Researchers who delve into the impact of race in the 2012 election, find that it played a major role for Obama to Trump voters. Janelle's Bouie of Slate detailed two studies pointing out that whites with negative views of blacks did manage to vote for Obama. For these voters Obama's economic message was a positive. Neither McCain or Romney ran an overtly white supremacist campaign. Along comes Trump with an uplifting economic message and white supremacy as an added attraction and those white former Obama voters go for Trump.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/06/voter_s...
Polling at the time of Obama's 2008 campaign noted that people who wouldn't want their daughter to marry a black man would still swallow hard and vote for Obama. Racists did find it in themselves to vote for Obama.
http://www.politico.com/story/2008/10/racists-for-obama-014691
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 07/14/2017 - 6:53pm
Agree. Just saw this comment at Wapo:
The term 'elite' has become a Republican code word for educated people who don't blame Mexicans, Muslims, black people, gays or women for the nations problems.
by NCD on Fri, 07/14/2017 - 7:17pm
I find your view to be lacking in nuance. As if a person is defined by his racism. As if a racist is all he is. My father was racist, though he would tell you he wasn't. He had a black friend, though he'd tell you he just doesn't want his daughter to marry one. He loved his racist jokes. For example he liked to "joke" that he loved boxing because no matter who won you got to see a black guy get beat up.
But he was a steel worker. A union man. A democrat. I could see him voting for Obama. Because being a union man, a democrat, was more important than his racism. Richard Trumka spent a lot of time giving speeches to people like my father. If you don't know about Trumka's campaigning for Obama you should at least check out the link. He was totally upfront about racism among white union members. He probably convinced a lot of them to vote for Obama. It didn't mean they weren't racist. It just meant that they found something more important to them to vote for than their racism.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 07/14/2017 - 7:29pm
The argument I responded to was that people who voted for Obama could not be racists. The data I provided supports the idea that racists did vote for Obama. Trumka spoke the truth. I agree with Trumka, racists are real.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 07/14/2017 - 7:46pm
Driftglass agreed with your theory.
He says the racists backs were to the wall in 2008, overcoming racist core values, and thus voting for Obama. As in 2016 the economy was doing pretty well, and since Trump spoke to their racism, he got their support. 538 analysis in November 16 showed low education, not income, was the primary factor in swing state counties.
DG in August 2008, reprinted, Nov 2016:
by NCD on Fri, 07/14/2017 - 10:06pm
I wonder why there is so much pushback when you call out racists by name. I have white friends who are actually more vocal about white racists who support Trump than I am. I try not to use personal experience to support my position regarding issues of race. I try to find supportive data from the news, sociological analysis, or polling. The data suggests that race was more important than economics in 2016.
Romney and McCain did not run white supremacist campaigns. Trump made sure that racists like Steve Bannon and Jeff Sessions were front and center. Trump pretended that he didn't know David Duke. He creates a voter suppression panel that wants all voter data from every state in the country to be stored on a computer guarded by one of Mike Pence's aides. Trump voters, even Obama to Trump voters, are not speaking out about the racism.
Winning back the racists with a purely economic message will be impossible for Democrats. The only way Democrats can win the Obama to Trump voters back is to throw minorities under the bus.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 07/14/2017 - 10:28pm
I don't want to break my computer by posting the actual photo that was making the rounds a while back, but if you click on the link it will take you to it.
http://www.infowarsteam.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/9-768x1024.jpg
One of my favorite comments on one of the sites that had this photo was,"The sad thing is, the smartest person in the room is made out of canvas and paint."
by wabby on Thu, 07/13/2017 - 9:01pm
His Dem opponent, by the way, is/will be Debbie Stabenow. She is already fundraising off this issue.
by wabby on Thu, 07/13/2017 - 9:07pm