MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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What if Trump Had Authorized Kidnapping White Babies?
By rmrd0000 on Thu, 06/21/2018 - 2:28pm |Jason Johnson over the Root poses an interesting question. What would have happened if Trump had ordered the kidnapping of white babies? Would Democrats have been as mild as they have been while brown babies were kidnapped? Johnson feels Democrats would have been shouting from the rooftops and attempting to shut down government if white babies were kidnapped. He believes that Democrats lack the necessary hate required to truly challenge Trump. If they hated Trump, they would have pulled out all stops to block him from kidnapping babies. Johnson feels that Democratic that Democratic leadership is more comfortable with accepting white supremacy than they are with fighting for Brown babies. If the babies, were white, the Democrats would have hated Trump and mounted a full-throated challenge.
I think the problem is that Democrats look to finding a political solution as their initial strategy. Wow. I’m a moderate black militant.
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This is as a good a place as any to put the news of the jacket Melania wore to board the aircraft taking her to visit an internment camp today. It was a $39 jacket with the logo “I Really Don’t Care Do U?”. She changed before arriving at the camp.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5871221/Melania-Trump-wears-jacket-REALLY-DONT-CARE-U-visit-immigrant-children.html
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 06/21/2018 - 3:30pm
And who was she sending that message to?
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 06/21/2018 - 4:00pm
Who cares? All of these people are scary. The only option is to openly resist.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 06/21/2018 - 4:05pm
So it doesn't matter what she was trying to say or do, nor to whom?
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 06/21/2018 - 6:10pm
I'm with you on the idea that she was sending a message if for no other reason than it's too blatantly controversial to be a wardrobe malfunction. And it's exceeding possible she was poking the bear by slapping him in the face - it may as well have been a direct quote from hubby. Whatever the point, if indeed there was one, it has successfully drawn attention to her visit that might otherwise have been considered just a photo op by a wife to support her husband. That jacket does NOT say "stand by your man".
by barefooted on Thu, 06/21/2018 - 7:30pm
It seems cowardly. It provides cover. You can interpret the jacket as saying that she personally doesn’t care, or that she is telling us Trump’s point of view. She is capable of sending a clearer message.
Edit to add:
I have to admit that I think Melania is given latitude that would not be given to Michelle Obama. The former First Lady would be pressured to make an unambiguous statement. Melania gets a pass.
2nd Edit to add:
Michelle would have been pressured to make a statement the same day. Melania is given time to craft a story. The statement of the day was it’s only a jacket. Anything Melania says now is a lie until proven otherwise.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 06/22/2018 - 9:49am
Maybe she was trying to blow up Trump's signing statement? Maybe not? Is she still a hostage of some type?
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 06/22/2018 - 11:29am
I couldn’t care less about Melania. I think she lied about her medical condition. Why would I trust what she supposedly says now?
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 06/22/2018 - 11:58am
Sounds like you're taking it personal.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 06/22/2018 - 12:10pm
I think the entire crew is corrupt. She has an anti-bullying campaign and stays silent about her husband. She wants to poke us in the eye. She could have chosen something else as a focus. Her acts are deliberate.Ivanka touts motherhood as children are ripped from their mothers.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/29/is-ivanka-trump-worst-tweeted-portrait-border-agents
oath of these women are cold and calculating. Don’t be fooled.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 06/22/2018 - 12:20pm
Palmer on Melania
http://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/take-down-melania-trump-donald/10984/
She seemed so happy with the Obamas - think she was just playing them?
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 06/23/2018 - 12:00am
i just wanna say this about the presidential tweet explaining her jacket: when I read it I got this terrible dejas vus reminder of old partners, I'm serious, as in: boy have I've heard this one before! You overhear him 'mansplaining to others something about what you think about this or that, and at that exact moment you feel like: holy shit, he's got it all wrong! who is this person? he don't know me at all!!! And later: don't you dare speak for me like that again!
by artappraiser on Sat, 06/23/2018 - 12:27am
Who knows, all these weird things going on and we look in from the outside trying to figure it out. The whole thing is so bizarre. Like Trump trying to hold his wife's hand and her slapping it away, several different times. And then there's Trump yanking people around when he shakes their hand. Wtf? It's so stupid and childish. If this were an episode of House of Cards no one would believe it.
by ocean-kat on Sat, 06/23/2018 - 12:35am
Ok, looks to me now like Ivanka might be getting jealous, she wants people to speculate on whether she's being held hostage, too. Why does Melania get to have all the mystery? A little mystery is worth $50K, really just peanuts.
by artappraiser on Sat, 06/23/2018 - 1:43am
RM gets it. Melania, Trump, Trump Jr, Ivanka, the other son and Jared are in a rare class of greedy, grasping, rapacious, filthy rich narcissists that no normal person or professional anywhere would likely personally ever know or work with someone of their breed. Their avarice and shameless lack of humanity and empathy is monumental.
by NCD on Sat, 06/23/2018 - 1:22am
Oh, their type is everywhere. But about that jacket ... don't you think the most interesting part is "Do U?"
by barefooted on Sat, 06/23/2018 - 1:25am
I think the most interesting is "I really don't care". Trump's whole schtick is predicated on pissing people off, getting them to care. Is she just walking away, going theough the motions, putting a stick in the spokes. She hung out withthe Obamas - smilingfor real - what was that besides an FU to her husband? Why are people so quick to define an abstract phrase in an ambiguous setting? I think Melania is really limited English-wise, and her twitter feed's controlled by someone else. But a fashion statement? That's her domain.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 06/23/2018 - 7:27am
Everywhere? No. You are not paying attention.
This is a unique family in which every one I mentioned is banking every dollar (or hundreds of millions) from anyone and anywhere they can from the platform of the Oval Office.
So busy and so lacking in morality they pay attention to almost nothing else but gaming the system for their own aggrandizement.
Even Mafia kingpins did stuff for the community, the Trump's rob their own charity.
by NCD on Sat, 06/23/2018 - 9:04am
I pay attention to all sorts of things, and all sorts of people in all sorts of places. The only thing unique about this family is their sloppiness.
by barefooted on Sat, 06/23/2018 - 5:50pm
Funny you should be talking about this, as I was just yesterday joking with someone in email about a guy from Ukraine on LinkedIn whose whole persona there sounded just like he was looking to hook up with Manafort and Trump Jr. types. In this attempt, he has somehow convinced enough others to link with him to the point he now has 12,000 connections....
by artappraiser on Sat, 06/23/2018 - 6:14pm
"Only thing unique is their sloppiness"...haha...good one....it's probably their most redeemable attribute!
by NCD on Sat, 06/23/2018 - 7:17pm
There is clearly a double standard in operation. If Michelle wore a message coat, media would demand a clear explanation. Melania gets a pass. People fill in a positive rationale. Similarly Ivanka gets a positive for helping convince Trump to end the separations. From what I have seen, Ivanka said the separations “looked” bad. Ivanka was concerned with optics.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 06/23/2018 - 1:49am
Well no shit, media's fucked up. But I'm not media, don't hold Michelle to a negative standard, and I'm trying to figure out what's really going on with Melania behind the kabuki.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 06/23/2018 - 7:17am
I hope you get your answer regarding the message Melania wants to send.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 06/23/2018 - 11:06am
Well, she blew up the signing, so I think that part came through clear, whatever she intended.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 06/23/2018 - 2:00pm
That's because " the liberal media" doesn't believe in acting like animals like the right wing nut job media does! I think it's a real shame that you are advocating that everyone should get more like Fox News and attack Melania like they would have attacked Michelle for this or that personal thing. You like hate or what?! Is that what you really want, rmrd, more hateful emotional angry media on the left? One that judges everything and everyone related to Trump as equal evil, your word, evil.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. You would like "them" to treat stories about Melania just like right wingers smeared Michelle, because: you want revenge? You want all sides of the media go down to stoop down to right wing nut job level because?
In this case, really blind. If you want to label everyone that has anything to do with Trump as one and the same with him, you are deliberately intentional blinding yourself to nuance about people. That's a choice, a choice to go for confirmation bias and eventually probably conspiracy theorizing when facts don't always fit your political message program.
by artappraiser on Sat, 06/23/2018 - 6:45pm
Can we slow this train down a bit? Consider that while rm might be an outlier at Dag, he does represent what people in his larger realm are saying ... so a breath may be necessary. And appreciated, by all of us. Then, perhaps, a better understanding. (rm, for goodness sakes, think about who you're talking to here!)
by barefooted on Sat, 06/23/2018 - 7:30pm
My posts have been about treatment of Trump supporters. I think I am the one who has been subject to personal attacks.
Edit to add:
Poems thatvspoke to me
Martin Niemoller
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me
Claude McKay
If we must die—let it not be like hogs
Hunted and penned in an inglorious spot,
While round us bark the mad and hungry dogs,
Making their mock at our accursed lot.
If we must die—oh, let us nobly die,
So that our precious blood may not be shed
In vain; then even the monsters we defy
Shall be constrained to honor us though dead!
Oh, Kinsmen! We must meet the common foe;
Though far outnumbered, let us show us brave,
And for their thousand blows deal one deathblow!
What though before us lies the open grave?
Like men we’ll face the murderous, cowardly pack,
Pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back!
Both were straight forward
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 06/24/2018 - 9:58pm
This has got to be one of the most moronic articles I've read recently. It illustrates one problem democrats have, too many are too stupid to see the difference between republicans and democrats. It creates a turn out problem. As an ardent environmentalist and far left liberal I see it all the time. I recently read this article about the Environmental Voters Project.
This confirms a feeling I've had anecdotally from conversations I've had with liberal and environmentalists friends. A notion that came into prominence and gained power with the presidential run of Nader. As Nader put it the difference between the two parties is like the difference between tweedledum and tweedledee. In my eyes it's so clearly and obviously false that there is no difference between democrats and republicans but so many of my environmentalist friends don't see it. It's a kind of blindness in which the perfect they seek leaves them unable to see the good.
by ocean-kat on Thu, 06/21/2018 - 5:57pm
The only rational choice in the midterms is vote vote for every Democratic candidate to oust the Republicans. It is also true that the Democratic Party lacks backbone. Cornel West led some to vote for Jill Stein instead of Hillary. Killer Mike was Alison in this camp. Neither man has apologized. Jason Johnson is a university professor, opinion writer, and MSNBC contributor. Cornel West lost his standing after Hillary lost. Jason Johnson probably has picked up some of the young audience that West relinquished. There will have to be a counter to his message. Young people need to go to the polls.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 06/22/2018 - 8:07am
That's not what the article claims and your comments don't address the article at all, not to agree or disagree. Though I do think you agree with it.
If I were to sum up your posts here the message I get from you is everyone is racist and racism is the reason everything happens. That's also the message I get from the article.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 06/22/2018 - 11:16am
In my initial post. I said that I disagreed with Jason Johnson.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 06/22/2018 - 11:23am
For the corporate media to keep the "both sides are the same and to blame" gambit going, they need black intellectuals who will say, as in this article, that Democrats are the racists, not Republicans or Trump.
They need the "gay Catholic Republicans" like Andrew Sullivan, America's most famous Gay Catholic Tory True Conservative, who today says Democrats are at fault for the border crisis because they won't build The Wall.
"Oh, there are blacks on TV who say Democrats are more racist than Trump", or "Oh, gays on TV support Republicans. Republicans must not hate gays" These unique pundits fill a special role, and have lifelong media sinecures.
Voters are only casually ever informed of underlying facts. TV politics is just streams of opinions for everyone to argue over. Leading to an electorate jaded and apathetic, and a divided government of crisis and dysfunction. Which dysfunction is money in the pockets of media news organizations.
Voters making wise choices for a more smoothly functioning government is the media's worst nightmare. It would, for instance, render the billions spent on TV campaign propaganda/commercials in the 3 weeks before elections a useless waste of money.
by NCD on Fri, 06/22/2018 - 11:03am
Sullivan's article is a subtle continuation of the both sides do it argument in that it assumes as a premise that democrats and republicans equally have been unwilling to compromise. Democrats have already offered to fund the wall, to my chagrin as not building a wall is an important issue for me, in exchange for less than Sullivan claims they should get for it. Trump and the republicans have refused that effort to compromise. On issue after issue and especially on the immigration issue the democrats have offered a compromise to republicans that I feel gives away far too much only to have the republicans refuse to compromise at all. The so called republican Freedom Caucus won't even compromise with other republicans on an immigration bill so how is it that Sullivan expects the republicans will compromise with democrats?
by ocean-kat on Fri, 06/22/2018 - 4:15pm
I don't know any Democrats who fit this description:
It does not advance the understanding of institutional racism to condemn all white people as secret Nazis.
by moat on Fri, 06/22/2018 - 12:05pm
Democrats try to do actual politics. Republicans don’t budge. Democrats come across as weak because they are being compared to insane Republicans. Jason Johnson interprets that as bowing to white supremacy. If challenged, Johnson will likely bring up the post-election reflex that some Democrats used to explain the lost, identity politics. That reflexive mistake gives Johnson an opening. The argument is that Democrats were willing to throw blacks under the bus. Another point of attack is that the DNC is not backing many of the black women running for office.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/why-arent-top-democrats-acknowledging-the-black-women-running-for-office/562802/
The DNC has to step up it’s game and do more outreach. While we wait for that to happen, grass roots organizations are filling in the void.
https://newsone.com/3805205/black-women-candidates-democrats-lacking-support/
Any Democrat is better than any Republican. The focus is on getting Democrats, including black Democrats, elected. The DNC needs to act to prevent Johnson’s message from taking hold.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 06/22/2018 - 12:51pm
I agree that the DNC should move toward actively supporting candidates who are going toe to toe with the established G.O.P. candidates, even if most of them lose.
But what is the connection between their situation and someone who pisses upon a rare moment of solidarity between very different groups?
Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter are all white. When they turn moments of shared grief into their own visions of hate and division, do they hold anything in the balance that will persuade another white person to choose between one option or another? No. They are zombies rousing other zombies who already have the disease.
The living dead are color blind. The virus infecting them is the most unprejudiced agent in the world.
by moat on Fri, 06/22/2018 - 5:47pm
The way to counter to deal with Jason Johnson is for the DNC to step up. That silences Johnson. Attacking Johnson gives him air time and gives him a chance to be the focus.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 06/23/2018 - 1:37am