MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Pittsburgh backstab: Israel chooses Trump over American Jews
By PeraclesPlease on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 8:30am |"Over the past week, American Jews expected comfort and support. Instead, Israeli government officials offered carefully honed political talking points, choosing Trump over them…From the moment he landed on U.S. soil, Bennett in his discussion with council members insistently defended President Donald Trump against accusations that the poisonous xenophobic tone and outlandish conspiracy theories he peddles bore any connection to the massacre in Pittsburgh. Bennett paired this with an equally problematic message that the threat of anti-Semitism in America was overblown."
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One stunning encounter that took place during Diaspora Affairs Minister Naftali Bennett’s visit to the United States last week encapsulated the distance between Israeli officialdom and American Jews reeling after the worst attack on their community in the country’s history.
That moment came for Bennett during an appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations, after he winged his way to the United States to attend the funerals of the victims of the synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh.
After paying his respects, Bennett was quickly off to New York to make the rounds of the studios and conference rooms of major Jewish organizations to take full advantage of his unexpected trip to North America to raise his profile – after all, he makes no secret of his aspirations to the prime ministership."
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kinda related, is The Nation kinda America's Hezbollah?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/nation-of-islam/555...
Or is Farrakhan some similar kind of polarizing Trump figure?
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-womens-march-louis-far...
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 8:43am
The name mentioned in the New Yorker article is Tamika Mallory. Mallory is the focus of the Atlantic article. Are there other nationally black activists promoting Farrakhan? Is Farrakhan asked to appear on the podium with black Democrats?
Trump is favored by white nationalists. DeSantis is running a racist campaign. Kemp is blocking votes. Farrakhan is an anti-Semite, homophobe, and anti-woman. I don’t see him as accepted by Democrats and Progressives.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 10:43am
Mallory & others' relation with Farrakhan is causing Jewish women especially to be reluctant to join some of the Million Women March & other previously unified actions.
As the article I linked to noted, Farrakhan is accepted in part as a kind of devil's bargain, especially where he controls inner city violence - thus my reference to Hezbollah, who largely garner support by taking care of security, hunger and health issues in the territories it controls that Lebanon's central government seems unable to handle. [I suspect if Hezbollah were running Palestine, things would be less dysfunctional there - just a guess]
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 12:33pm
Hezbollah has a military arm. NOI is unarmed. The NOI was at 250K in the 70s. It is about 50K now. It is a fringe religion. Farrakhan is 74 with no clear successor. After the Pittsburgh synagogue attack, The imam and the rabbi had their first conversation. NOI is not gaining converts.
There would be Hezbollah missiles flying into Israel if they were in Palestine
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 1:01pm
I'm glad to see you add some nuance in thought to your commenting in response to the article. I notice you are now all of a sudden using the term "black Democrats" as opposed to using the term "the black community" to point to a unitary thinking tribe by skin color. It's unfortunate that the headline writer at The Atlantic chose to use that same term. The term enforces racism. It doesn't belong on that very nuanced article.
The article does very much bring to mind many similarities between Trump and Farrakhan as demagogic leaders with narcissistic qualities encouraging racism. And also suggests how it doesn't help much to brand 100% of their supporters as equals of them. While some supporters might be worse people, some might be way better people.
by artappraiser on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 1:18pm
The majority of black voters would not vote for Farrakhan. The majority of black voters in NYC did not vote for Al Sharpton. A majority of white voters did vote for Donald Trump. If a black vote put Farrakhan in a position of power, the question would be what is wrong with black people. The reason we are on edge about the midterms is because we are concerned about the white vote.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 1:35pm
It's kind of this simple or this complicated: Oprah knows how to bridge that divide. She's actually made a lot of money doing exactly that. And it's not by constantly pointing out, day in, day out, about how outraged "the black community" is, but what concerns people with different skin colors might share. There is no Victim Olympics to win, all it is possible to win by playing is more hate.
by artappraiser on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 1:48pm
The black community has every right to be outraged. You are correct that political campaigns have to address common bonds. We are still concerned about what white voters will do. We hope that the voting patterns of white women have changed.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 1:50pm
There you go again, back to the same old same old self-defeating rhetoric.
"The black community" is a vague term that includes anyone with black skin: Farrakhan, Ben Carson and Barack Obama, Bill Cosby and Candace Owens, Kanye and Maxime Waters, Sharpton and John Lewis,. not to mention my viciously ambitious niece, who doesn't care what color you are as long as you help her climb the ladder.
Majority of "white people" do not identify one and the same with white supremacists. They do not think of themselves as a tribe, they think of themselves as very different people with the same skin color. If you push it, the more you force skin color, the more you force many more people with white skin to tribalize.
And again: many different kinds of people with white and other colors of skin like Oprah, Obama and John Lewis, don't find them offensive or tribalistic. With that reputation, they can easily make many people, who normally wouldn't, listen to stories about like, say, how police in inner cities are dangerous, or the problem of "driving while black". As in: white surburban women of centrist leanings.
You can be your own worst enemy.
by artappraiser on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 2:13pm
The story about the midterms in news media will be about the breakdown of the white vote.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 2:20pm
Yes, unfortunately. But at least it will be a "breakdown" of one color skin of voter into different ways of voting. Hopefully by the 2030 census the media (whatever that is then, who knows,) won't be able to do that anymore Because a huge number will not be able to answer black or white to the race question. Maybe there won't even be a race question. As of now, those with white skin certainly could no longer answer an ethnicity question. like was once asked at Ellis Isand, without being given the choice of choosing more than 2 or 3, have to be like at least 5 or 6.
by artappraiser on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 2:41pm
In 2016, the question was why a majority of white women voted for a misogynist. In 2018, the question will be if white women fall into line with the voting patterns of other women.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 3:19pm
The article I linked wasn't about midterms - it was about marriages of convenience vs being tainted by them, along w similar styles of demagoguery & intentional disruption. Throwing the kitchen sink back at me doesn't much help to discuss. "Iraq, the Alamo, blue M&Ms and labrador retrievers!"
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 1:45pm
I thought the Hezbollah comparison was over the top. Hezbollah is a violent organization. I doubt that the communities where they place rocket launchers feel safe. Schools and hospitals become targets for Israeli retaliation. It is not equivalent to NOI
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 1:54pm
Read about Hezbollah.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 3:17pm
NOI has no military arm capable of firing rockets. They vocalize their anti-Semitism. NOI is not known for committing violent acts.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 3:21pm
FFS, rmrd, fucking Google it. There's more to Hezbollah than Israeli press reports. There's a reason Hezbollah has survived for decades. Quit spurting irrelevant shit back at me - if you don't know, look it up or just muzzle it.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 3:27pm
BBC and the Atlantic say Hezbollah has weapons.
Hezbollah helps communities
NOI helps communities
Hezbollah has weapons
NOI not have weapons
Hezbollah has a political and military arm
NOI rarely enters politics and has no military arm
NOI is not equivalent to Hezbollah
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 4:14pm
So you fixate on weapons even though I didn't mention them or care about them, and decide that's the only critical item for (non)comparison. What to do.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 5:44pm
Yes, being anti-Semitic and armed makes them different. Farrakhan does not suggest attacking Jews. He is smart enough to avoid that trap. Farrakhan is known for quotes like:
The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man
Farrakhan cannot be separated from anti-Semitism. Hezbollah cannot be separated from the anti-Semitism and the weapons. Two different groups.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 6:38pm
OIC, complex human groups can be reduced to simple algebraic equations! If only judging wine was so simple! Your predilection for stereotyping and profiling and tribalism would do a cop in Ferguson, MO or an ICE agent proud.
Hey, what happened to that hot topic of yesterday, how hate speech by leaders of groups is supposedly a direct cause of violence?
by artappraiser on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 5:57pm
So far, we have seen evidence that Trump’s words have encouraged violence. I’m not aware of Farrakhan encouraging violence. The best way to deal with Farrakhan is to point to his words. Accuse him of violence and you make him a victim of an unwarranted attack. Trump told crowds at rallies to punch people in the face. Farrakhan would not do that. Farrakhan would cry that he was falsely attacked.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 6:47pm
sounds to me like: African-American demagogues are less evil than white American demagogues because they can win the Victim Olympics, they really don't have any power, are just pretending they do.
by artappraiser on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 7:02pm
I thought that saying Farrakhan is anti-Semitic was all that was needed. Farrakhan is scum.
I thought that had posted
The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man.
That was not meant to praise Farrakhan
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 8:02pm
From your lead Haaretz link:
“Some of us are older than you are and we recall the pre-war period in America when the Nazis convened in Madison Square Garden and paraded on 96th Street with brown shirts and swastikas. And the rallying cry of the anti-Semites was ‘America First.’ So my hair stands on end when I hear an American president invoke that line,” Bleier told him.
1000 American Nazi's march in New Jersey, United States, 1939.
by NCD on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 9:39am
This would be huge except for that they already have accepted long ago that Netanyahu is their Trump, only way smarter. Taking that into consideration, it's just another debate about how the right wing has a stranglehold on their homeland and what is to be done about it. Just another, just stronger, slap in the face with reality for left wing American Jewish supporters of Israel. For two seconds after Pittsburgh, they could think well now anti-Semitism has come seriously after me and mine again, at least there is always Israel now. But no, there isn't really, really there isn't, there is no safety in one country, you have to deal with the whole world now in this age and tribalism doesn't help, it hurts.
by artappraiser on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 2:26pm
If I were Jewish, I'd say seize the day, show Israel how Pittsburgh works especially this trend:
by artappraiser on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 2:33pm