MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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In the CNN report on this story that I just heard on TV, they stressed that an anti-Asian motive was not yet proven. But just the fact that a lot of people seem to be presuming that, makes it a major story. And that will cause more fear among Asian-Americans.
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Roxane Gay retweeted this after she tweeted the news story:
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/16/2021 - 11:46pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/16/2021 - 11:53pm
good for her:
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 12:09am
they know how it is:
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 12:20am
Except it's quite possible the *China government* created this virus in a lab, which doesn't mean the other 1.399 billion Chinese or the extended Chinese diaspora or anyone else with ethnic Asian ties is responsible for this deadly irresponsible work.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 8:39am
well, a few Jews way back in history actually were usurers, and then all the goy got mad about that and didn't allow anyone Jewish to work in most professions, and then because they couldn't work at anything else, more and more Jews became usurers. And that's where judging people by tribe gets ya. Just sayin.
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 3:46pm
Can't be true - most people don't even know what a usurer is. And then there's caste that deals with the dead and toilets and what all. Prolly if you look into it it was over some dame - that's what gets people bothered. BTW, was Adam circumcised, and if so, who did it?
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 3:55pm
well I wasn't going to go there, but now I've got to: it is true that they killed our lord. BUT when they did so, he was still Jewish himself and they were all a persecuted minority under the Roman imperialist running dogs....
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 4:03pm
What, Jews were centurions? And the Europeans weren't Christian til Nicaea, so that would make Constantine to blame, or at least the key decision maker, if Herod was already off the hook. Anyway, if Romans weren't Christians yet til 300ad or later, who was it that had it up their butt about usury? Or when/how was usury outlawed. I hear about it from Muslims, but that was 6xx, way after people started hating on Jews - i mean, that Salome thing with John the Baptist's head, wasn't that a bit, er, overkill? And if they didn't like Jews acting like Jews, you'd think they'd be thrilled they found a new vocation as early Xtians, but frayed knot.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 4:28pm
good counter-warning to that line of thinking as far as wrapping everything into one grand narrative before motives of individual incidents are fully understood:
there is a lot of wisdom in simply making certain actions against the law and assigning tough punishment for prohibited actions rather than having the law get into motives
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 4:33pm
Wut? No hate crimes?
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 4:43pm
already there is complexity coming out about possible motives and then everybody starts lining up in camps trying to defend their narrative and debate about who is trying to spin what. meanwhile facts are eight people were murdered and our society has serious punishments for that whether you are nuts, prejudiced or angry, it is not condoned in our society:
Just be careful, because feeding the narratives feed the fear as well, which further feeds the narrative?
Something along these lines is why I have been convinced by now that I pretty well against a lot of the defund and abolish lingo. Civilization really can't stop hating, even if it is outlawed, people will still do it, they will just hide it. We need enforcers to limit behavior that the majority agrees is out of bounds.
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 5:00pm
Sullivan's response is interesting. 6 Asian people were murdered during a period in time where there are concerns about violent attacks against Asians-Americans. There is likely to be a sense of shared loss in the community that will cause many to reflect on attacks experienced by family members and friends. The anxiety will be there after this attack. It is more important that Sullivan gets a retraction from the mayor of Atlanta the realizing that a murder who was having a bad day says that the murders were not racially motivated.
This willful ignorance of the impact these deaths will have is one reason that I don't want people like Andrew Sullivan in charge of anything.If there was a screwup at the press conference, it was the police captain telling us that the murderer was having a bad day.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 9:26am
Enough misunderstandings - not Andrew's fault.
(think of this as the Asians' May 2020 trifecta, where people start to notice & respond?)
What does *this* data tell you?
BTW, 122 hate crimes for 2020 isn't really a lot.
Yes, stop-reverse it, but the overreactions don't necessarily help
(& by trumpeting it, the spa murders might inspire copycats - we've seen that before).
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 12:53pm
The reason that I don't want Sullivan in charge of anything is that he comes off as dismissive
The term "China virus" was not in the vocabulary when the data his points to was obtained
Current data indicates that attacks on Asian Americans are increasing post COVID
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56218684
6 dead Asian-Americans are going to raise concern
The statements of President Biden, VP Harris, and the mayor of Atlanta do not require retractions
Acknowledge the community pain and move on.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 1:10pm
just a warning, I've noticed a lot of Asian-Americans seem to be quite cynical about the solidarity thing coming from people like you as opposed to Biden, Harris, you know, more meritocrat types
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 3:12pm
I have zero control over college/university admissions
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 3:34pm
Believe it or not, here is where social media pushback *does* have an effect.
The power of an individual is tiny, but in aggregate it affects policy - mostly in the negative,
avoiding scandal and outrage, rather than affirmation of what is right, just & the American way.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 4:21pm
hmmm you really think a out gay conservative and Catholic man who lived through the start and then the height of the AIDS crisis is willfully ignorant about what it's like to be a persecuted minority? I just googled and learned something I didn't know about him Sullivan was barred for many years from applying for United States citizenship because of his HIV-positive status. I suspect it's more like many gay men learned during the AIDS crisis: wallowing in ignorant fear and victimhood gets you nowhere.
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 1:24pm
continued at a 2016 book review at NYTimes.com by Andrew Sullivan of How to Survive A Plague, The Inside Story of How Citizens and Science Tamed AIDS by David France
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 1:40pm
Sullivan can be a gay Conservative Catholic and still be dismissive about this issue.
Edit to add:
Tamika Mallory can be deeply concerned about inequality faced by Black people
She can simultaneously be an anti-Semite.
Sullivan may not understand that the first thing to say after a massacre might not to suggest that the Asian community will "overreact"
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 1:50pm
Overreaction is a significant problem. Trump thrived on overreaction. Lies & mistakes once released are impossible to put back in the bottle - we are cognitively programmed to give precedence to the 1st impression, even if it's first lie.
Bottoms may have meant well, but she got it wrong.
Everyone got the Pulse killings wrong, including prosecutors who lied & put the killer's abused wife on trial
(the FBI knew within hours she'd never been to the club, and they wrote a "confession" for her after 11 hours of interrogation without a lawyer. Denied bail due to those lies so kept from her infant son for a year. Also, a woman of color, if that matters.). The killer likely thought he was going to a regular nightclub, not a gay club, had never been there, and was more influenced by ISIS than homosexuality (he did not seem to be gay). Having gays feel terrorized and a target over a mass murderer's unfortunate screwup that misinterpreted his target and scope of his hate (not that it would have been better to hit a straight nightclub, but the point being gays were not being targeted, whatever happened that night)
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/noor-salman-pulse-massacre-wrong_n_5ac29e...
Atlanta's also home to a famous screwup, identifying Richard Jewell as the Olympics bomber - when in fact he was a security agent who discovered the bomb, alerted the authorities, and helped evacuate the area (bomb going of 3 minutes into the evacuation, injuring over 100). The actual bomber was caught 7 years later, with several other bombings to his credit.
So maybe it's not "dismissive" to suggest that we tread more carefully after horrifying events to really put blame where it belongs, rather than following our Twitter muse that says we have to comment on everything within 17 secs or we die of shame.
ETA - worth reading this FBI interview about Eric Rudolph, the actual Atlanta bomber, especially in light of talkign about "defundign the police".
https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/eric-rudolph
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 2:19pm
What are the lasting effects of the "overreaction" to the Pulse shootings.
There were hearings in the House today focusing on attacks against Asian-Americans, is that an "overreaction"?
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 2:49pm
Huh? the gay community thought they were being targeted to murder long after the event, which has to produce a lot of anxiety, and the murderer's wife lost a year with her child while siting in jail refused bail, & then people still think she's a cold callous murderous bitch who got off on a technicality. Hey, you seem "dismissive". Is that allowed?
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 2:58pm
Funny guy
Your response is that the gay community was "anxious"
The gay community had no control over the actions of the prosecutors
Similar to the situation with the Duke lacrosse team.
The Durham DA said the lacrosse players were guilty
The DA did not consult the Black community to make his decision.
Edit to add:
In the Atlanta case, we get an initial statement that the crime was not race based
The very next minute, the police captain is found to have supported t-shirts suggesting that COVID originated in "Chy-Na"
The community may take his assessment of the influence of race with a grain of salt.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 3:49pm
Uh, 1) yes, law enforcement and prosecutors should have been careful about jumping to conclusions so as not to unnecessarily terrorize the victims further, 2) believe it or not, the Durham DA should have been more careful in wrongly accusing the Lacrosse team, which unfairly put both the team and the black community in distress. Interesting that the DA was running for re-election, which likely influenced his excessive behavior much like the interim police chief in the Rayshard Brooks case, who essentially declared the police officer guilty as part of his election efforts (he lost, and the winner wants nothing to do with it.). Bottoms also said the shooting was unwarranted, but there I give her a pass for essentially telling the police to cool it, which in a hot flash summer was probably wise.
(the media in the Duke case was also horrid - https://slate.com/human-interest/2016/03/a-new-espn-film-exposes-the-rea... )
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 4:58pm
Andrew is fine with the captain saying that there was no racial motive.
He requires a retraction from the mayor when she suspects race was a motive
An Atlanta police official says "it is too soon to tell"
Andrew is a hypocrite
He should be asking for retractions from both the mayor and the police captain.
Andrew will not do this, because he is biased.
Edit to add:
In the Duke lacrosse case, Reverend Sharpton and Reverend Jackson heard the word "stripper" and waited for further developments.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 5:10pm
alice adds (not necessarily agreeing with her, just pointing out what some of the more logical, like er, a homicide detective trained not to let his emotions get involved- might think)
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 5:06pm
there is a lot of wisdom in simply making certain actions against the law and assigning tough punishment for prohibited actions rather than having the law get into motives
There's not. The law has always considered motive because it was important. To pick just one of many examples a son kills his mother for the inheritance or he kills her because she's in constant pain and suffering that will only end with death and begs him to put her out of her misery. We can debate what motives are worth consideration and how they should affect punishment but I think it's obvious motive should be considered.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 5:24pm
Differentiating types of hate for why you hurt or kill someone can be like divining tea leaves. Cuz they're loud? Cuz they're foreign? Cuz their color? Cuz their gender? Cuz they said something? Cuz you had bad experience with something new similar? Cuz you were tired?...
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 6:19pm
No, usually it's clear and obvious. Because it's occasionally complicated and nuanced isn't a good reason to not consider the motives
by ocean-kat on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 6:46pm
Note: "can be". And these add-on categories are often more muddy than basic "he stole because his wife was sick". The myriad of why's surrounding the Capitol riots beg for a K.I.S.S. approach before having to wade through too much bullshit. Jumping to conclusions about "hate crimes" vs investigating carefully or just dealing with the basic larceny, assult, whatevs.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 11:46am
suggestion from Nick Cho, @YourKoreanDad on TikTok (2M+) • CEO & co-founder@Wrecking_Ball Coffee @TrishRothgeb's husband • proud immigrant • sneakerhead • he/him, which is actually something WE COULD ALL DO:
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 12:53am
Andrew Yang just retweeted this by Ro Khanna:
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 3:56pm
There's an elephant in the room. In other countries, they also have people who hate Asians and people who hate sex workers, for that matter:
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 5:35pm
apparently it can get real complicated if you apply CRT theory to the situation, where if you buy into the tribal hatred scenario, you do now have to compete as to who is the most hated, who is the most deserving of the fear award, and who shouldn't be fearful because they have chosen to be privileged and its just desserts:
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 6:41pm
Conor's giving it the old college try > all together now (except for those few of you who support murder sprees, of course):
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 8:09pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 9:37pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 12:18am
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 2:17pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 6:47pm
shame on Rupar; he needs to own up to stoking fear for attention:
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 7:05pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 7:07pm
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 7:56pm
I do very much like when I see instances of them challenging each other to behave and do their best at being clear rather than being the "breaking" guy. Twitter is set up so that there is a reward in being the "breaking" guy and them chiding each other about sloppy tweeting before thinking twice and then three times is a really good thing.
by artappraiser on Sat, 03/20/2021 - 1:22pm
At the same time, looking for scandal and gotcha and outrage in every tweet gets old. But yeah, the cop was just explaining what seemed to be going thru the killer's head, whether it was believable or not - how would he make that diagnosis in 30secs or 5 mins? He's not a shrink, he's a cop - "the guy freaked, seems to understand what he did" - background color, but not terribly significant. More significant is he killed a bunch of people and no strong confirmed reason why. Stay tuned...
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 03/20/2021 - 1:27pm
well, to put more nuance into the situation social media did right away also dig up that the cop did participate in that Trumpian t-shirt thing about coronavirus . and I do think it smart of Atlanta area powers that be in policing to get rid of him once the attacks on what he said happened, and turn the whole shebang over to the Atlanta PD with the black police chief rather than Cherokee County sheriff. He just had that "evil white bald guy" look and attitude. It's just SMART P.R., I think smart p.r. should be part of their job, they are after all there to keep society civilized! So if the current climate over racial discord or anything similar is stoked by the guy communicating with the public, it's just too bad it's about how he looks and talks, not fair, but it's their job to deal with "not fair".
Likewise, we should judge our journalists at how good they're doing at decoding any spin. Maybe in another situation, the opposite would be true, cops are trying to calm people when maybe people should have a little more fear (i.e. Pentagon spin along the lines of "everything's going fine in Vietnam.")
Both have a role. But this case, like many others have pointed out, it is being used to fill out a hysteria narrative that was just itching to be in the limelight. Journalists job: inform the public of the truth, not fan the flames of the narrative du jour, whether it's the cops', a panicked public's, or activists'.
by artappraiser on Sat, 03/20/2021 - 1:56pm
Like it or not, I think this conservative guy's tweet IS making a good point about blame game narratives after mass shootings, even though he is pushing wrong info that the FBI has concluded anything so far, and is of course trying to push his own narrative:
to keep in mind: maybe not with the Atlanta case, we don't know for sure yet, but in many of these cases, often the whole idea in the shooter's head is to cause hysterias and blame games when they weren't so much of a crisis before.
by artappraiser on Sat, 03/20/2021 - 2:02pm
much more significant, why o why can't the media turn the attention where it can actually have some effect:
pressure the goddamn Senate to save actual lives at this exact moment in time, the bill is sitting there, the national dialogue about racism can wait, FACT: whatever the motive this was a mass shooting and there are more of them going on every fucking day but they don't rate cause they don't get clicks because it's not possible to assign racial motives to them...
it wouldn't be that hard for media to get a few more constituents "outraged" about their red Senators to change their atttitude. then we can all calmly talk about pressuring people with no access to guns from hurling anti-Asian slurs and mugging elderly Asians with brute force or knives...
by artappraiser on Sat, 03/20/2021 - 2:53pm
The 33 year old woman at the spa was on a date with her husband
The ages of the other women call into question that the issue was sexual addiction
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 7:23pm
the couple "on a date"-you mean the white woman that was killed with the Mexican husband who survived and who was treated like a involved suspect at first?
That story shoots your presumptions all to heck....wrong tribes! Gotta get your victimized tribes straight...
by artappraiser on Sat, 03/20/2021 - 3:10pm
I said that a woman was on a date with her husband at the spa.
To me that made the idea that sex was being handed out freely less likely
The couple were waiting for massages.
Eight people were killed six were Asian
The maths suggest 2 were not Asian
On one side, people are arguing about CRT
On the other side, there are Congressional hearings about concerns of the Asian community about physical assaults
GoFundMe pages are set up for families impacted by the Atlanta shootings
Community activists, politicians, celebrities, athletes, etc are speaking out
Others are standing on their lawns yelling that nothing is happening
I will stick with the people speaking out rather than focusing on random tweet snippets.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 03/22/2021 - 9:14am
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 7:27pm
A Mom and a friend
Just trying to raise a kid
https://www.thedailybeast.com/son-of-atlanta-shooting-victim-hyun-jung-g...
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 7:50pm
finally some more nuanced readings are beginning to appear:
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 9:01pm
Jeong is tweeting about her op-ed with more that couldn't be included, like this:
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 11:22pm
I think this reply to one of her tweets hints at a major prejudice involved, and it isn't one that's targeted at highly educated Asian-Americans:
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 11:43pm
So last week this was all edgy woke humor, and this week we're having learning experiences. I'm having trouble keeping up, except i do imagine the people killed were normally of good cheer and resilient/resourceful and didn't deserve this tragic ending.
https://youtu.be/baDJ-ZIvYy0
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 03/20/2021 - 7:36am
must say that CNN did better! separated the Atlanta crime from also reporting on the Asian-American fear it was causing after a lot of incidents elsewhere, see here and here.
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 10:32pm
It is good the Biden is in charge and not Andrew Sullivan
Biden sends a calming message
"We have your back"
Andrew's message?
"Let me show that your fear is illogical."
Biden is doing much more to calm fears than anything Andrew writes.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 03/20/2021 - 10:21am
Andrew's job is not to calm fears. Biden's partly is.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 03/20/2021 - 10:44am
By that standard, Andrew is doing a great job.
There was preexisting fear in the Asian community
The media does mention sexual addiction
No one is doing Kendi-math
The calming message of Biden/Harris is what is needed now.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 03/20/2021 - 11:07am
And it's not WaPo stirring fear? esp. before facts came in?
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 03/20/2021 - 11:20am
a reminder:
DAILY TELEGRAPH PLANS TO LINK JOURNALISTS' PAY WITH ARTICLE POPULARITY. Fear sells.
by artappraiser on Sat, 03/20/2021 - 1:17pm
The fear in the Asian-American community existed prior to the Atlanta murders
Asian-American activists were talking about attacks before the MSM focused on them
Obviously a multiple homicide is going to draw attention
Biden/Harris are setting a model to address the fears in the Asian community
Andrew comes along to tell the Asian-American community that there is really nothing to see here
The MSM is blowing things out of proportion
That analysis fits Andrew's whitebread world
Asian-Americans are pliable children who need Andrew to tell them when they should be frightened.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 03/20/2021 - 11:45pm
oh see WaPo change to the new meme now, which is really the same old same old first wave feminist meme, always popular, i.e. raped because her skirt was too short, etc.
It's like we are still stuck at the same stage of consciousness raising as third world countries. I think, rather, we need to talk about: GUNS and strict licensing for them. There are always going to be crazy haters that don't go along with the cultural zeitgeist, you cannot change that 100%. These are not people who will be deterred by threat of imprisonment or death, like a mugger or someone who hurls insults or is prejudicial in some other way. They have gone nuts, either temporarily or permanently, and want to kill, and easy access to guns enables them in vengeance or anger.
Was Adam Lanza prejudiced against the children that went to this former Sandy Hook school? I guess you could say that. Would the right statements by public figures have helped? NOPE!
by artappraiser on Sat, 03/20/2021 - 9:59pm
Height challenged people. It was either an elementary school or a midget farm - you pegged it
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 03/21/2021 - 1:35am
Well, you made me remember that there is that famous Randy Newman song. And i guess I have to admit it's possible Adam heard it and didn't get that it was supposed to be ironic. So maybe it was all Randy's fault?
by artappraiser on Sun, 03/21/2021 - 1:48am
Oddly, Randy Newman, all 5'2" of him or whatever, got quite a few complaints for short-shaming people. Irony's been dying for quite a while.
(okay, he's actually 5'11". Anyway, the irony is obvious)
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 03/21/2021 - 9:42am
MSM is not stoking fear in the Asian community
The fear is stoked a police captain broadcasting that a murderer said the slaughter was not racially based
The fear intensifies when a Congressman takes time from a Congressional hearing about attacks on Asians to talk about Chi-Coms
These actions, not the MSM, creates the image that Asian-American concerns are being dismissed.
Andrew Sullivan chimes in with his paternalistic trolling, voicing concerns about the Asian community being charged up by MSM, and not by their personal experiences.
Glancing at statements from Asian-American citizens, activists, and journalists, they are the ones communicating the stories to the MSM, not the other way around
The Asian-American community has been suffering in silence from MSM
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 03/21/2021 - 11:56am
Uh, MSM wasn't reporting on an uptick in crimes against Asians the last weeks, before this shooting? Or more street confrontations/verbal harassment as Covid spread?
Is it better to think a mass murderer was racially motivated if he was more hung up bonkers about going to sex workers counter to his religion? Even if you're a woman you might prefer this was only twisted insanity about sex workers rather than all women next time your walking to your car in the dark.
Denying reality to score a political point is seldom a good thing.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 03/21/2021 - 12:06pm
Oh, yeah, let's go there!
One white sheriff is responsible for the fear, one sheriff who was quickly and wisely removed from briefing the media and substituted by the chief of the Atlanta PD?
Asian-Americans are afraid of cops? Um, I don't think so, I don't get that impression from reading the news, I think just the opposite, they are asking for more cops and more protection by cops, from Portland to New York City, and are very appreciative of what cops can do for them and just wish they could get more protection by cops, and they don't care what color skin those cops have, either.
As to coverage, I started the first thread of news on attacks on Asian-Americans at Dag on Feb. 17 of this year and the second one on March 1 BUT truth be told there has been a struggle by news media and activists to get the public to pay attention to this problem since March of LAST YEAR. Here's a report from Al Jazeera's L.A. correspondent from April 1, 2020 that I ran across last night
Now why didn't the public pay more attention to reports like these and why couldn't Asian-American activists get more public attention and protection
I would conclude it's because
Then also throw in "THE WOKE" narrative: Asian-Americans enable and perpetuate white supremacy and in doing so, are sort of the enemy of Afro-Americans. (Want an example, just go to the preachings of Ibram X. Kendi, who has now conveniently changed his tune.)
Now: how about considering this idea: WE ARE ALL AMERICANS It's not a zero-sum game of oppression Olympics where no one group has a separatist desire to form like Wakanda or the Old Confederacy born again.
by artappraiser on Sun, 03/21/2021 - 2:20pm
p.s. did rmrd ever show any interest in Asian-American lives mattering before and related news? Nope. How can I then be sure he is a good interpreter of their feelings and fears?
Edit to add: I would at minimum expect proof that he read and had an opinion on this one piece on the troubled recent history of Afro-American and Asian-American relations before taking anything he said on the matter seriously.
by artappraiser on Sun, 03/21/2021 - 2:28pm
When the attacks occurred p, I posted that a group of Black activists held an ener in support of Asian-Americans, I said that I did not know if the event would begin to change attitudes
The topic under discussion is Andrew Sullivan's view that things were being "overblown" and that MSM was responsible.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 03/21/2021 - 6:44pm
The beginning statement on this blog
You talk about MSN activity over the past several weeks
The anti-Asian attacks were spiked by Trump's "China virus" and "Kung flu"
Sullivan suggests nothing new is happening
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 03/21/2021 - 5:00pm
American Journal of Criminal Justice article from July 2020
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7364747/
The fear was present before the MSM paid attention
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 03/21/2021 - 5:13pm
am 100% with this guy, so well said. Talk about feelings, well I instinctively feel it's such a disservice to victims when this happens, when they become a pawn in a mass narrative that may or may not be true, without having a say on whether they would even want that!
If you don't belief in afterlife, all you have is the stories made from you life which continue in other's minds. What a horror to have those stories wrong for all eternity, representing something you may not have believed.
by artappraiser on Mon, 03/22/2021 - 4:12am
by artappraiser on Mon, 03/22/2021 - 4:29am
by artappraiser on Mon, 03/22/2021 - 4:33am
As bad as the wingnuts everyone who disagrees is Woke.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 03/22/2021 - 11:18am
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/23/2021 - 3:09am
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/23/2021 - 1:00am
Uh, construction workers make catcalls? Well that's a shock...
Conversely, if Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian, etc are scoring well in school you might expect to see them rise up the corporate/political ladder as well as other groups, and that color/genetic features thing makes it more noticeable somehow.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 1:33am
I thought the same immediately on the construction worker thing, admit it did make me skeptical about her other complaints, ala "raised a precious princess". Still I thought worthwhile to share, maybe for that reason! It's like there is a mixture of complaints from someone basically closeted within a tribe, some of which they might find a more universal problem if they didn't stay in their bubble. And if they did so, they'd have a cross-cultural group to work against those things. And other things more accurately persecution of a tribe.
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 5:27am
Pew report that girds much of this together
M'kay, so there are 3800 "hate incidents" over a year in a country that has say 25 million East Asians? 1/7000? Still could be awful. Let's break down this despicable behavior:
1/5 of the incidents are "shunning", a type of hate you prolly didn't have on your bingo card. 2.3x affected women because a) men are always saying nasty sexist stuff to women and b) they're weaker etc so easier to pick on, and c) it's part of our dating/mating fabric that we complain about but gets the job done at the same time.
400 physical incidents per year for Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Lao, Malay, Thai, Burmese, Indonesians, etc in America?
[maybe only 20m East Asian in America]
Now look at this stupid fucking incident that Borja includes as part of her "proof" of racist attacks. FFS no one know if the woman's even Asian cuz she's wearing too much headgear, and she "chased after and attacked a guy with a bottle", "maybe mentally ill..."? Sitting at the top of stairs in a crowded subway making people move around her?
And Borja calls herself a researcher for Stop Asian Hate?
https://nypost.com/2020/02/05/woman-wearing-face-mask-attacked-in-possib...
https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr4s4f
I use gobsmacked, but this is double gobsmacked with a facepalm.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 7:17am
Sullivan has collected anecdotals from Twitter, not Asian-Americans but blacks. But wait, after a minute or two of thought on them, here's the big takeway for me: his examples are clearly a serious side effect of covid isolation! People have segregated via tribe and fear and make conclusions about "the other" tribes now even venturing in venturing out to CVS! Hello, the CVS is not whypipple world, it is the world as it exists. What's next, preferring robot delivery from Amazon because if they use humans those humans might not be from your tribe and you fear hurt from them? Fear fear fear based on fictional tales of what life could be without those other nasty people, like "Wakanda". Hello there are nasty people and dumb people in your own tribe, didja notice? Remember pre-covid family Thanksgiving's , what those were really like?
Forget globalization, the whole idea of America is hopeless, diversity an impossible dream.
Hopefully after society opens up again, we will see the trend of intermarriage continue. And they'll drop race and ethnicity questions off the census when the majority becomes people chosing "other" as their answer and hyphenization needs become ridiculous. (Similar thing going on with using a hyphenated name of mother and father, after several generations, it gets a little unwieldy, like European titles of olden times.)
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 12:34pm
It's just not reality when people get out in the world and interact! I am still convinced most sort by behavior not skin color. I was just reminded having CNN on in the background just now. The father of Rikki Olds, 25-year old store manager killed in the Boulder shooting just held a press conference to talk about her. She was a bleach-blonde white woman. Alongside him to help mourn by talking about all Rikki's saintly qualities, was not a family member, but her best friend from work, a woman of color. The extreme tribalism is just not reality anymore for the majority in the U.S., it's a delusion. It's not just NYC and L.A, this is a supermarket in Boulder, CO. It's probably more the case that the big city ghettoes where people don't get out and mingle much because they don't have jobs or cars or whatever, are feeding the delusion just as much as dying little rural towns. The isolated egregated pockets are not the U.S. as a whole
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 12:58pm
Less delusion than diluted. Certainly exists but tons of exceptions. varies in intensity. Also depends on your neighborhood, work, which state/city-burbs you live in.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 12:58pm
so when and why did this change:
from this article from this thread which had other thoughts and articles that I think applicable as well
Sure there was still major racial segregation and urban ghettos, but this was the general allover picture of post-war baby boom america and was why so many wanted to immigrate from allover the world. And parents were "liberal" in that they wanted their "boomers" to get a college education and climb the ladder, which made them open to progress on civil rights and a chance for all from Appalachia to Selma. When that wouldn't have "sold" during the Depression, and certainly didn't "sell" during WWII with internment camps and all. But once we won the war, shrug all that old grievance off, brave new world. People still clinging to the Confederacy really looked down upon by the majority, very tacky yucky backward, not american
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 5:22pm
Essentializing Whiteness
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 5:49pm
Here's another piece (related to a story trending on twitter) of arta's narrative that "that world is still out there in flyover". Call it propaganda if you like, but I think our current president also believes that world is still out there, too. This is Edison, NJ:
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 6:44pm
In a food court. But yes, well-played.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 7:47pm
Jiliani being absolutely brutal on this exact point. Having Pakistani-immigrant parents and being a media person gives him nuanced insight, he immediately sees the problem going on here. To me, it's a big wow insight about "the narrative", but to him it's just self-evident:
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/25/2021 - 1:39am
Milia I is a person with an opinion
His opinion is no more valid than that the opinion of those he says are upset about "micro aggressions.
You value his opinion more because he agrees with your opinion on this issue.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 03/25/2021 - 7:59am
Juliani is a person with an opinion
His opinion is no more valid than that the opinion of those he says are upset about "microaggressions.
You value his opinion more because he agrees with your opinion on this issue.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 03/25/2021 - 8:00am
Opinions are more valuable by being informed, logical, tied to real world observations, consistent, seemingly borne out by the facts.
While "opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one" is on face value true, some maintain their, er, opinions in a more pristine state.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 03/25/2021 - 9:09am
Real world observation is that MSM is not influencing the Asian community.
The Congressional Asian Pacific Islander Caucus existed before the Atlanta attack
Asian Pacific Islander groups were addressing bias against before the Atlanta attacks
That was spokespersons were so easy to find by MSM
You portray the community as children easily led by MSM
You say they should have no agency to speak their truth.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 03/25/2021 - 10:46am
I for one didn't mention the MSM - you be trippin' as usual.
I also don't see what Pacific Islanders have to do with this,
nor why we should overload on the Asian angle when Occam's Razor
says first that the dude was a) a whacko antisocial gun nut in general, and
b) was prolly more upset about dem bitchez and his wayward religious wiener
than some unlikely Trump inspired "Kung Flu" outrage.
Again, the Matthew Shepard case *for years* has been presented as
an anti-gay hate crime, when the facts say it was a super violent meth/cash grab
a la Breaking Bad or Ozark. *That's* actually the *MSM* (+entertainment industry)
who kept the wrong version echoing long after the relevant facts came out.
And I looked at the advocacy group's own study that had *20%* of the "hate incidents"
as being *shunning* Asians, not attacking them, that only *10%* were violent.
Obviously the dudes in Frisco et al bashing Asian granny and taking her wad
are violent, and that's picked up a lot lately, but I also remember a short period
some what 20 years ago? when thefts of people and cars at ATMs spiked, and
then oddly enough what, within a month it was no longer a thing?
So a bit of adult experience teaches us not to hyperventilate on every outrage,
that it may be settled into perspective within a short timespan.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 03/25/2021 - 12:51pm
Do try to keep up.
Julani commented about the Asian community being a bunch of dopes being led into a frenzy by MSM
My take, from comments made by people in the community, is that the racism, bias, and physical assaults reflect their reality.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 03/25/2021 - 1:16pm
From upthread:
The beginning statement on this blog
You talk about MSN activity over the past several weeks
The anti-Asian attacks were spiked by Trump's "China virus" and "Kung flu"
Sullivan suggests nothing new is happening
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 03/21/2021 - 4:00pm
American Journal of Criminal Justice article from July 2020
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7364747/
The fear was present before the MSM paid attention
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 03/21/2021 - 4:13pm
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 03/25/2021 - 1:34pm
I did a whole very long news thread on reports of anti-asian attacks here. Which I continue to update regularly. Which I keep separate from this thread, because, as CNN noted, unlike those other stories, it's not clear this one is about anti-Asian sentiment. The articles I post on it have a lot of different spin on the whole issue. And I had done one before that thread. Neither of which you showed any interest in until now.
I read those all. Why would I take anonymous rmrd's simplistic analysis at The Truth of The Situation. Why would I even care how you see it, I read all those others and am sharing them for others to read.
BTW, lots of the attacks cited are by young afro-american men. How about them apples if you're going to do race. I think you should read up on it and think about THAT. They were all influenced by Trump? He done it. White racists convinced Afro-Americans to attack Asian-Americans? You haven't posted a single story or instance of an Afro-American attacking an Asian-American. Others may wonder why, but I don't. You got your narrative and you're sticking to it. Yours is more blatant and simplistic than any "MSM" narrative that might be. It's insulting to your longtime correspondents to think that they can't see that about you, we're not fools. You're not into news or analysis, you're into proving a preconceived view. Once someone sees what you're trying to do, there is no further need to read, your usefulness as an example of a major problem is over, we know what you're going to say and it's always about race, everything is about race, skin color!
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/25/2021 - 2:22pm
I did post about a joint event held by Asian and African-American activists
I noted that it would likely not be enough
One of your earlier posts
The discussion is about attacks on Asian-Americans. You divert to make it a rant about defunding the police.
We know what you are going to say.
"Send social workers into a gunfight"
I think that is a very strange obsession
You are predictable
You put your spin on things
We realize that some Whites feel that they are discriminated against as much as marginalized groups.
"Oppression Olympics" if others complain
My argument here is that the fear increased in the Asian community when Trump went full "China virus"
The fear did not need MSM
The fear is built in the varying communities
MSM is the last to catch up
Out in the real world, there will be a WH liaison for Asians and Pacific Islanders
Different groups do not trust each other
I would not trust you to be in charge.
I would not want you as an enforcer.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 03/25/2021 - 2:43pm
You repeatedly post about the Woke
You had a post up for a year focusing on the Woke
Yet you tell us that you puke when discussing race
Your posts about the Woke seem like trifles
You can post about the Woke
I will post about race.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 03/25/2021 - 3:23pm
What exactly do you mean, "You had a post up for a year focusing on the Woke"?
You've repeated this several times like some kind of "gotcha!"
Posts don't usually come down even after 10 years, but they scroll off the front page after a few days or weeks. I'm pretty sure my piece on bat onanism is still up somewhere. Maybe the one on set-top box radiation as well.
So what are you referring too?
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 03/26/2021 - 1:16pm
http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/counterractionaries-working-staunch-wokee-cultural-tide-30340
Ongoing commentary from 02/20-02/21
You complained that a Black History Month post up for a month was turning the site into the Root.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 03/26/2021 - 1:36pm
Really, where?
All I see is more of your constant desire to sort news and commentary by whether you consider the source "enemy or friendly" in your project of constructing a racial narrative of the world. You don't really even seem to read a lot of the stuff, rather, you hunt for signs on whether they might be enemy or friendly. Which would be fine if you kept it to yourself. But no, you think arguing about it with a few other people on a small blog who read and analyze news and commentary will get you somewhere. It's actually a very strange obsession. We all have them here, but yours is very strange, you seem on a crusade to convert the rest of us here.
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/25/2021 - 2:00pm
You post tweet snippets from Jilani all the time.
Edit to add:
If my argument supports position A, the logical thing to do is to post articles/opinions with arguments that support position A.
I see that as a common way to conduct an arguments
You see it as looking for friends?
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 03/25/2021 - 3:52pm
soldier or scout?
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/23/2021 - 7:07pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/23/2021 - 10:21pm
There are many qualified people of varying ethnicities.
For many decades, only a single group found seats in high ranking positions
It does not seem surprising that members of varying ethnic groups would wonder why their group is being overlooked
Giving lectures about "qualifications" are not going to gain many converts
The "qualifications" myth requires the dominant group to do nothing
Minorities are supposed to simply "trust" the dominant group to make the right choice.
One "tribe" dictates to the others.
The dominant group is going to have to do the work to gain the trust.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 03/23/2021 - 11:01pm
Sorry, is your "dominant group" a "tribe"?
Is it based entirely on *skin color*?
Is there a *name* for this kind of categorizing?
PS - I'm regularly discriminated against and marginalized by white people even though I'm white - has gone on for decades. Could it be that other types of groupings are more important at times than skin color?
I've also been the minority in black and Chinese environs, had Indian kids crowd around me to touch my hair and see what I was writing. It was so awful - I'd traveled thousands of miles to meet people who were different, and they treated me as if I were different. The humiliation, the humanity...
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 1:37am
I'm regularly discriminated against and marginalized by white people even though I'm white -
Ditto! Just testifying.
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 2:39am
p.s. to PP: I found this comment thought-provoking along these lines if you ponder it a minute and not just toss it as idle snark:
While helicopter parenting of millennials by their white liberal parents really did become a thing, Asian-American culture, if we are to believe all the "tiger mom" stories, never went there much. They still went with the "no" program, especially if immigrants?
(Comes back to me now getting great anecdotals along the helicopter parenting lines from a working class local college student helping me part time in 2014-2015; she was on full scholarship at a private college, her mom raised her on working class salary as a struggling widow and expected her to help feed herself)
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 5:09am
Interesting quote from Thomas Sowell:
from this May 2010 column Resentment at the heart of racial beatings
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 3:05am
just ran across this example of a white blond male forever clueless about his privilege that allowed for effortless success.
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 5:57am
The dominant group has been setting the national agenda
Now, some marginalized groups have enough clout to object
There is nothing surprising about a marginalized group demanding access to power
The WH will now have a liaison to activists representing a marginalized group.
Welcome to 2021.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 10:34am
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 2:49am
Yes, race is a social construct
When you read books like "Caste", you realize that some groups are designated to be the bottom rung
Activists in marginalized groups are working to combat that fact
In order for things to change, the mindset of the dominant group will have to change.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 10:38am
FINALLY, someone addressing the sex worker angle as opposed to the asian-american attacks angle. Here I can actually buy her argument that policing is complicit! (Of course the policing angle is due to the community at large wanting it that way, harassment of sex work is a longtime real thing, you cannot deny it in any way)
excerpt
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 1:33pm
I actually thought it too obvious to post. The creep who preys on sex workers is standard movie fare. Then there's Taxi Driver. Eyes of Laura Mars was models rather than hookers. "Klute" was what again? Even "Better Call Saul" has his office in an Asian Massage Parlor. Was it Dersh & the owner of the Patriots caught getting sex in an Asian Massage Parlor in Florida? How many Westerns shoot up the brothel?
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 1:53pm
Actually, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution ran this Vox-like explainer on March 20. An expose waiting for an opportunity to publish?
Atlanta spa shootings spotlight industry that commodifies Asian women
After reading it and about Long in other articles, I wondered whether I had already seen his story in an episode of Law & Order:SVU or some other procedural, or maybe a video game. His story reads like he was looking for one particular worker who, in his mind, was being kept from him by the 'madams' who manage the establishments. Maybe he did what he did for love, maybe for hate, maybe both, idk. If it hasn't already been on SVU, no doubt it soon will be.
by EmmaZahn on Sat, 03/27/2021 - 7:15am
Taxi Driver?
I remain confused - if you watch WAP video or whatever, some women hypersexualize and commodify themselves. We talk about rights of sex workers, & treating them with respect and benefits, but then at that point is it a business that's respectable enough, or is it just men who are always tainted, and women can be professionals, housewives or sex workers, it's all the same?
Of course there's then trafficking, which undoubtedly for transported immigrants should be condemned and banned, but how do they get here, what are the mechaniss, & are there any other classes of massage/sex workers that don't fit this profile?
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 03/27/2021 - 8:37am
Never watched Taxi Driver. The trailers and reviews were depressing enough. But based on what little I do know about it, it's a fair analogy.
Also, ftr, haven't watched any of the Law and Order franchise in over a decade. The sanctimony grew to be unbearable.
For sure, some women hypersexualize and commodify themselves -- AND other women. They have been doing it for millennia.
If Long was searching for a particular woman, it's an open question whether she is an innocent he wanted to rescue or a skilled prostitute who played him. The story can be written either way.
by EmmaZahn on Sat, 03/27/2021 - 9:55am
your discussion with PP made me remember this line from the NYTimes article I linked to below
Overall, it also described similar to your AJC piece where the situation is that these places didn't have a lot of employees and not a huge amount of activity going on. Is almost like they are like free-lance agents (sort of like some hairdressers?) Massagers are licensed by the state, it's not the locations that are licensed, so they could possibly work at several different places from time to time.
Also NYT mentioned they tried to get someone to tell them how much they charged and made, they couldn't get that, one gal told them it's a “A secret of the trade,” said an employee at Top V Massage in Norcross, an Atlanta suburb, when asked what one could expect to earn.
Then there's that this places were not policed since 2015
The AJC piece plays the trafficking angle up some, but only one of them, the one with no picture in the NYTimes article, sounded like she could be a trafficking-type type case.. She was a recent immigrant who didn't speak much English and the Times couldn't get much from the Chinese consulate, not much is known about her. The rest of them, it doesn't sound very plausible, all had things like past backgrounds in the U.S., like previous jobs doing other things, husbands, families, kids planning to go to college, obviously took the job out of choice, or at least as much choice as someone struggling to make ends meet has in this country. Calling all of them "enslaved", as one person does in the AJC piece, is really stretching it, especially once you read the NYTimes piece.
That said, the owner of some/part/two? of the places, "Sue-ling Wang, chief executive of one of the companies that operates Gold Spa" sounds like if he invests in a place, he is a tough cookie who expects no trouble, just money. Sounds almost like the absentee landlord biz. They furnish a place for these gals to work, and it's up to them? Certainly sounds like some Asian immigrant cultural practices here in other businesses, like restaurants
So while these were pretty secretive situations, AJC constitution piece gives valuable info. that investigators will surely find some things here to use in questioning him
I think with that they can do a better job of questioning him, figuring out whether he is lying about motive.
by artappraiser on Sat, 03/27/2021 - 12:05pm
I should mention that I have watched Taxi Driver quite a few times and I think you bringing up is quite apt, as far as Travis Bickle thinking of himself as a savior who is going to clean up all the filth and scum he sees around him everyday. But as far as the women thing, he is still commodifying either way, it's more a madonna/whore thing, the way he sees the blond angel campaign worker and how he ends up "rescuing" Jodi Lee Foster from the sleaze life and sends her back to her grateful parents in rural flyover.
Where I think the comparison is apt: people like Giuliani made it a point to clean up that "life", the filth and the grime and the scum that disgusts Travis (not realizing, of course, that nutso people like him are part of the whole thing, living in their little grubby SRO'S,) from Times Square and similar downtown areas across the country, to turn them into more Disneyland kinda places. And that whole sleazy scene just moved to the exits off the expressway. We have several areas of the Bronx, for example, where there's the "gentleman's club" on one corner and the massage parlors across the street, Romantic Depot sex toys store on another corner. There's a whole development of this type quite near Yankee Stadium, just off the Deegan, which I am sure that business travelers know how to find.
And there's always areas like this outside major towns up the east coast. (Zoning involved, of course. Often there's a truck stop nearby.) These are the new areas a Travis Bickle would want to clean up now. That said, having these neighborhoods move to such lonely nabes, makes it less likely that American teen runaways would want to be there, stuck in the middle of nowhere and needing a car to have freedom of movement. So now it's much more an immigrant activity.
Sounds a little different so far in that Long sees himself more as a victim, not a savior? I.E., blame "the other" for turning your holy christian Disneyland country into a sleazy land of wicked evil tempations. And therein, the revenge thing, in there might be a little bit of the anti-Asian angle. We shall see.
by artappraiser on Sat, 03/27/2021 - 12:43pm
Yes, it's the dehumanizing thing - she's fine til disagrees, then a bitch, and so on. He wants her for himself, not thoae other sleazes...
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 03/27/2021 - 12:39pm
I was searching for updates on motive but I ran across this instead. I could have put it on the Violent Crime thread but I think it makes a better point here.
Edit to add: here's another one:
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/24/2021 - 4:30pm
There's a lot more, especially on the ownership of the spas and the difference in wealth divide between owners and working class
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/25/2021 - 1:50pm
And this may be racist of me, but i have this notion that Asian whorehouses are *less* drug dens and gun centers, not sure why I have that feeling. Of course massage joints tends to tilt Asian anyway - white strip clubs often double as whorehouses - doubt that anything but a fraction offers massage.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 03/25/2021 - 2:46pm
Possible court tug-of-war could be imminent for accused spa shooter
A legal expert explains how proceedings can play out when crimes are committed in two jurisdictions.
Author: Brittany Kleinpeter Updated: 7:40 PM EDT March 24, 2021
Troopers, sheriff describes efforts to track down Robert Aaron Long
'It took him about 30 to 45 seconds after constantly giving him those verbal commands for him to react at which he put his hands up.'
Author: Donesha Aldridge (11Alive), Paola Suro (WXIA) Updated: 7:45 PM EDT March 25
by artappraiser on Sat, 03/27/2021 - 12:50am
From a Go Fund Me for a worker at Gold Spa present during the shooting. (Cavaet: I have no idea how they verify, but notice the links.) Picture of her at link, I don't know how to copy it
ATL Shooting Survivor Unable To Work & Unemployed
Note it confirms a lot about the life that was in the NYTimes article, how they often stayed there 24/7 and how workers were close friends.
by artappraiser on Sat, 03/27/2021 - 1:52pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 04/03/2021 - 1:28am
On the dangerous pre-baked hate crime narrative mistake for mass shootings and the responsibility of the media:
by artappraiser on Sat, 04/03/2021 - 2:03pm