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    Are Women Turning Men Off With Their Liberated Attitudes Toward Sex?

    Beneath the Spin * Eric L. Wattree
     

    Are Women Turning Men Off With Their Liberated Attitudes Toward Sex?
    (Sorry, Fellas. I Had to Spill the Beans In the Interest of the Community) 
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    I want to preface this article by assuring everyone that I’m no prude, nor am I some kind of Bible-thumper trying to force my religious agenda down anyone’s throat, and I don't think there's anyone on the planet who enjoys sex more than I do. I’m merely giving my honest opinion of what I think is contributing to the break-down of the family unit, and it all boils down to one thing - sex.
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    Women talk to me all the time about how useless and irresponsible many men have become, which I pretty much agree with. But what women don’t seem to understand is the pivotal role that they're playing in bringing about their own frustration.
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    Women have made casual sex far too readily available in our society, and that has resulted in two things that place them at a decided disadvantage. First, women have allowed sex to become so easy to obtain that men no longer have to become real men to get it. As a result, there’s no incentive for men to become responsible adults and father figures. That’s why you see forty year-old men still living with their mommas, and hanging out on the block wearing sideway-tilting baseball caps. That’s not a father figure or a role model, but they don’t have to be, because if they can come up with a couple of joints and a pint of gin they can get all the sex they can handle. 
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    Things were different in the past. As a rule, in order for our grandfathers to obtain sex during their generation, they had to prove their manhood, jump through a series of hoops, and wine and dine our grandmothers for months and even years - and in many cases, they even had to marry them first. But now all a young boy has to do is walk into a club with enough pocket change to buy a drink or two. That gives him no incentive whatsoever to become a responsible adult, and all the incentive in the world to continue hangin’ out in the clubs instead of focusing on what's going on around him and becoming a man.
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    Women used to know how to handle their business. Even with my late wife, Val, while she wasn’t as stingy and strict as some of the ladies from the old school, when we were going together, even while secretly keeping in regular touch with my mother, she stopped speaking to me for an entire year until I caved in and adopted the kind of lifestyle that she approved of - and, thank God, she kept me jumping through one hoop are another until the night she died. If she hadn’t, I wouldn’t have been capable of writing this article. So in a very real sense, this article represents a letter to sisters from Val's grave. If she were here she’d say, "Girl, what you have beneath your dress is the only leverage you have with these turkeys, so use it wisely" - and anyone who reads this article who knew Val will tell you, I’m not lyin’.
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    The second way that the sexual mores of our society is hurting women is, even among the men who are responsible - and who are looking forward to heading families - they're finding it increasingly difficult to find the kind of woman who they feel comfortable about starting a family with.
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    The problem is, women don't understand men, and the reverse is also true. That's why most men and women can only relate to one another on a sexual level. Men think that women are impressed by what THEY think is "cool," and women think that men are impressed by what a woman finds impressive in a man - swagger, confidence, and assertiveness. But both are wrong. In many cases, what men consider "cool," women consider silly, and simply put up with. And most men don’t consider swagger and assertiveness attractive in a woman at all. Those qualities boils down to aggressive, and that’s a male characteristic, so why would a man find a woman who acts like a man attractive? Do women find men who act like women attractive? Not really. So the very same thing is true in the reverse. Men and women have different needs. So many times, when men and women try to impress one another they either turn each other off, or make fools of themselves.
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    Let me give you an example. Many women think they can get a man by acting sensuous, sexually provocative, and assertive. In a sense, that’s true. A woman, any woman, can get a man that way, but only as a sex partner, not as her man. Because men classify women in three different categories. The first category is whoe, or someone to use instead of having to masturbate. The second category is sex partner and road dawg. Men like the women in this category as friends, someone to party with, and to have as a sex partner. Unlike category one women, men actually like and respect the women in category two women, but not enough to marry - unless they fall in love by accident. Men generally choose a woman who is sexually stingy as a wife. The reason for that is quite simple, so he won't have to worry about her cheating once they become a couple.
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    Men will die to protect their manhood. Nothing is more important to us, and there’s no greater assault on a man’s manhood than a cheating woman, because it sends a message that says, he wasn’t man enough to keep her in line, and the man she’s cheating with is more of a man than he is. So women should understand that if they ever get caught cheating, that’s it. The man may not leave you immediately, but from that point on, he’s just waiting for the right "lady" to come along so he can replace you. Unlike with many women, just saying it will never happen again is not enough, because you’ve fallen off the pedestal that a man requires his woman to stand upon. So generally speaking, the women that men like to party and have fun with, are not the women that they choose for a wife, because even though he may like them, they’re perceived as being much too casual in their sexuality.
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    When a man decides to marry - unless he falls in love with a category two woman by accident as a result of having repeated sex with her - he chooses a wife from the third category. These women are generally very protective of their sexuality, low-key, and feminine. Men not only feel that these women are more apt to be loyal, but there’s also a psychological component to it. Category three women are harder to get, and it’s human nature to want most what’s hardest to obtain - that’s why a Bentley is more valuable than a Ford. While they both get you where you want to go, a Bentley is more prestigious because it’s harder to obtain. The same is true of a woman. A man wants a woman that other men can't get, and once he gets such a woman, he not only gets uncorrupted sex, but also, a boost to his ego in knowing that he’s lying next to a women that other men can’t get. He also knows that if she didn’t think he was special, she wouldn’t be lying next to him. That’s a huge boost to his sense of manhood, and 99% of a man’s sexual pleasure is mental.
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    On the other hand, many women do want a sex expert - or, at least, a man who has sense enough to consider her needs - because far too often in casual sexual encounters, women end up with men who are just interested in satisfying themselves, and then leave the woman hanging and sexually frustrated when they're done. So a woman wants a man that she knows has the sexual expertise to provide for her sexual needs. But a man doesn’t have to worry about that, because all he needs to obtain satisfaction is a warm, wet, vagina - any warm, wet, vagina.
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    Thus, all a female sex expert means to a man is whoe. Because the assumption is, in order to obtain her sexual expertise, she had to have made herself available to a lot of men. Therefore, she doesn’t see him as special; he just happened to be in the right place at the right time - and if it wasn’t him, it would be someone else. Now don't get me wrong, he’ll PRETEND that the "expert" is rockin’ his world, and doing something for him that can’t be done by any woman with a warm and wet vagina, but that’s just to stroke the woman's ego so he can have sex with her whenever he feels the urge.
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    So personally, I’d rather be with a woman who’s simply capable if enjoying the lust of the sexual experience than I would somebody who’s trying all kinds of techniques on me any day. Because the "expert’s" head is not in the right place. I want a woman focused on how good SHE'S feeling, and fixated on that tingling sensations that’s building up within her loins, not on how to contract her muscles to impress me with how good she is in bed. After all, a man’s biggest challenge is NOT to climax too soon, so why would he want somebody who’s gonna defeat that purpose? That’s also why men indulge in oral sex, because there is nothing sexier to us than a woman who’s out of her mind with lust and sexual passion. So if there’s any expert in the bed, I want to be the one.
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    So when a woman starts talking sex to a man, or try to be overly sexy, she’s not doing herself a favor. All she's doing is ringing the dinner bell that brings out the predator in a man, but he automatically starts thinking in terms of fun and games with a woman of either category one or two. So just because a woman can get a man’s attention in that way - and any woman can - she shouldn’t make the mistake of thinking that she’s going to hold his attention. He’s just gorging himself on hamburger until he can find him a steak - a category three woman; wife material, a woman who’s not gonna even consider the possibly of sex, at least until he jumps through a lot of hoops to get there.
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    Now, I want to emphasize that I’m not advocating any position on this issue. If you’ll notice, the title is a question, not an assertion. My intent is to simply give women insight into how the vast majority of men think. How do I know? Because from the time we're little boys we spent an inordinate amount of time discussing women and girls. So whether or not what I'm saying is perceived as sexist is not my concern. I’m simply relating the truth - a truth that is common knowledge among most men.
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    While many women may consider what I’ve said here old fashion, men have assessed women in the same way since the beginning of time and across cultural boundaries, and it’s very unlikely to change anytime soon. But the problem with truth, and the primary reason that so many people object to it, is because it doesn’t always conform to either ideology or fashion. It simply is what it is. So efficient thought requires that we ALWAYS give truth priority over ideology. But much too often we try to give ideology priority over truth. Then when truth comes into conflict with our ideology, we try to contort the truth to fit more comfortably into what we want to believe.
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    As a result of that tendency, modern women are living under the mass delusion that because their attitudes have changed, the attitudes of men have changed along with them, but they are horribly mistaken. You see, men simply pretend to have changed because it’s to our advantage. The modern female mind-set makes casual sex much more available, and we love it - I certainly do, because I’m just as predatory regarding sex as any other man. But that doesn’t mean that I’m so accommodating to that new mind-set that I want to marry the women that I’m having sex with - and I’m very comfortable in saying that MOST men feel the same way - and that’s a major contributor to the dysfunction of the modern family structure, which is the point of my article.
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    In closing, I also want to emphasize that I'm not suggesting that women should remain celibate until marriage, but I'm sure many women is going to read that into it. I'm saying that men prefer women who are "protective" of their sexuality, so what we're actually discussing is a woman's attitude toward sex.
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    women need to keep in mind that a man will say anything, and take any position, that allows sex to be readily available. But if you want to see a man’s true attitude toward female sexuality, all you have to do is even suggest that his mother or daughter is less than protective of their sexuality. You’ll end up with an extremely hostile individual on your hands. So a man's attitude toward sex is very complex - while we love it being easily available, we don't want the women in our lives involved in contributing to that ease of availability.
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    The bottom line is, the new female mind-set towards sex not only creates a disincentive for men to step up to the plate to become responsible husbands and fathers, but once they are husbands and fathers, the attitude of many women outside of the marriage creates constant pressure for men to cheat. Thus, the attitude of the modern women regarding casual sex often serves to create the very Hell that many women often complain about.
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    Think about it. What incentive does a man have to limit his sex life and take on the responsibility of settling down with one woman when he can have all the sex that he can handle - with multiple women - and without having to take on any responsibility at all? Not much. And what cultural incentive does a married man have to remain faithful? Again, not much. So I'm not advocating that women reverse their newfound sexual freedom, but rather, to consider carefully how that freedom is used, because every male you come into contact with certainly is. Thus, I'm simply suggesting that you learn the rules of the game and not allow yourself be played, because having that knowledge gives women options on how they want to play the game.
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    So, what's important for every woman to remember is, while many women's attitudes toward sex has changed tremendously over the years, men are still very old fashion when it comes to their woman - they have to be, because the way a man’s woman carries herself is reflective of his manhood - and that's very important to a man. While I know this may sound kinda old-school to contemporary women, but with all of the sexual opportunities out there for your man, how you carry yourself may be the determining factor on whether or not your man is willing to make that extra effort to be the kind of man you want him to be. And women should also remember this - as old fashion as your grandmother was, she didn’t have any problem hanging on to her man.
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    Love, Pain, Passion, and Lust
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    HER PAIN:
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    She walks alone, sweet woman-child,
    her sobs flow warm against the dark;
    Her need is love, not merely passion,
    a mighty fortress, her broken heart.
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    Quivering bodies and breathless moans,
    she remembers with great delight,
    but the heat of love is the only flame,
    her lusting soul craves late at night.
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    Hungry arms yearn for her shuddering body,
    to embrace her tenderly with all their might;
    Shivering lips lust for her succulent passion,
    as she cries out desperately into the night.
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    But only true love can quench the thirst
    that burns red hot, and deep inside,
    so she faces the pain, again and again,
    and late at night she cries.
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    Masculine shadows of delusion and lust
    caress their egos more than her pain,
    for her convulsing body quivers not for them,
    but for her fantasy
    of a warm and gentle man.
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    So, with head held high, by light of day,
    but, mournful eyes, that do betray,
    unspent love, and a breaking heart,
    and the fear of sobs, when day turns dark.

    HIS PASSION:
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    She's dark, she’s passionate, and she's lovely,
    but she doesn't know herself:
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    She doesn't know
    the extent her smiling eyes
    devastate this love-sick heart;
    The way they dance in the moonlight,
    subtly beckon,
    and betray the depth
    of her sultry passion.
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    She doesn't know
    the ecstasy of pleading moans
    on a humid, Summer night, or
    the maddening pleasure of glistening bodies
    entwined in erotic flight.
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    And
    She doesn't know
    the hot breath of passion,
    as it whispers between her thighs;
    The gentle kiss, the sting of bliss,
    the pain of pleasure
    that burns inside.
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    She doesn't know
    the agony of lust
    while suspended in endless time,
    as she yearns for sweet release,
    while desperately clinging to
    the sweet sublime.
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    And
    She doesn't know
    of frantic begging
    for that of which she's run,
    of the animal that leaps inside of her,
    as flowing chills
    begin to come.
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    She doesn't know
    the embrace of madness
    as her trembling loins
    begin to spill . . .
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    She
    doesn't know of love,
    but on this night,
    her pleading eyes,
    say she will.


     

    THEIR LOVE
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    Eric L. Wattree
    http://wattree.blogspot.com/
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    Citizens Against Reckless Middle-Class Abuse (CARMA)
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    Religious bigotry: It's not that I hate everyone who doesn't look, think, and act like me - it's just that God does.

     

    Comments

    Lysistrata? Is that you?

    Methinks there's more than 3 kinds of women. 

    I never realized there had to be a woman withholding sex to make a man want to be a man.

    Maybe men can just "man up" and leave the other excuses out of it. What a woman does with her twat is her business, and having a fun sex life no longer precludes a woman from being the marrying type, nor does the "Scarlet A" require stoning & banishment. 

    The Kinsey Report might be a useful document, as would the updates since.


    Anonymous PP,  Reread the article. I'm not advocating a position, I'm reporting a reality regarding the thinking of many - if not most - men. I can understand how it might not meet your approval, but it is what it is, and it's not likely to change.  And while a woman has every right to live her life the way she sees fit, men have every right to choose the kind of woman they want to marry - or avoid marrying. 


    In which case, I'm perfectly content to see the species die off.


    Eric, you know I always enjoy your writing, but if you're wondering if this piece is a bit more than overtly sexist--it is.  It most certainly is.

    If you're wondering if you're being more than a bit old-fashioned--you are.  You most certainly are.

    You are trying to fit all women into a mold you have manufactured and it won't work.  You are releasing men of all obligation by telling women that men will be men and if they're ever going to find the perfect man they will have to be the ones to do the adapting.  They will have to stop thinking of themselves as women and go back to being "ladies".

    The way I'm reading this is that men are extremely sexual creatures so it's up to the women to hide or at least put the skids on their own sexuality because if they don't, men--those animals--will suddenly acquire finer sensibilities and will find these women--these same women they're lusting after--too offensive to be anything more than sex objects.

    Hogwash.

    We don't need lessons on how to limit our sexuality in order to land the kind of man who will treat us right.  If a woman is looking for a long-term relationship no dame with a brain would be choosing someone who didn't love her for who she is outside of the bedroom. 

    I think I remember reading something like this way back in the 50s.  I have to admit it kind of shocks me to have to be reading it again in 2014.

     

    Eric, I like your style.  The content not so much.


    Ramona,

    I’m not advocating any position on this issue. If you’ll notice, the title is a question, not an assertion. My intent is to simply give women insight into how the vast majority of men think. How do I know? Because from the time we're little boys, we spent an inordinate amount of time discussing women and girls. So whether it is perceived as sexist is not my concern. I’m simply relating the truth - a truth that is common knowledge among most men.

    While many women may consider what I’ve said here old fashion, men have assessed women in the same way since the beginning of time and across cultural boundaries, and it’s very unlikely to change anytime soon. But the problem with truth, and the primary reason that so many people object to it, is because it doesn’t always conform to either ideology or fashion. It simply is what it is. So efficient thought requires that we ALWAYS give truth priority over ideology, but much too often we try to give ideology priority over truth. Then when truth comes into conflict with our ideology, we try to contort the truth to fit more comfortably into what we want to believe.

    As a result of that tendency, modern women are living under the mass delusion that because their attitudes have changed, the attitudes of men have changed along with them, but they are horribly mistaken. You see, men simply pretend to have changed because it’s to our advantage. The modern female mind-set makes casual sex much more available, and we love it. I certainly do, because I’m just as predatory regarding sex as any other man. But that doesn’t mean that I’m so accommodating to that new mind-set that I want to marry the women that I’m having sex with - and I’m very comfortable in saying that MOST men feel the same way - and that’s a major contributor to the dysfunction of the modern family structure, which is the point of my article.

    Think about it. What incentive does a man have to limit his sex life and take on the responsibility of settling down with one woman when he can have all the sex that he can handle - with multiple women - and without having to take on any responsibility at all? Not much.  So I'm not advocating that women reverse their newfound freedom and change their attitude toward sex. I'm simply suggesting that you learn the rules of the game and not allow yourself be played. Having that knowledge gives women options who may feel pressured to play the "new mind-set" game.


    Sorry, but I don't buy that this is how "the vast majority of men think". I just spent a wonderful evening at a reception for a couple who'd spent the last month traveling to exotic places - the travel was hardly for the generic purpose of sex even though certainly sex was likely part of it. They just like being together. The couple's been together for years, so marriage wasn't the only bond. The party was full of friends of both sexes - lots of warmth and hugging and kisses and feeling good - sexual energy and friendship energy and human energy and dance energy...

    Even if a pair "hooked up" in such a setting doesn't mean the woman gave away the only reason for a long-term relationship - what a narrow vision of why people like being together. Sure there some tips for relationships, on how to not feel used, and how to build healthier loving romances, but I've known old coke whores who settled into nice relationships - nothing is lost through misadventure except a bit of time, and even the misadventure can bring lessons or joie-de-vivre. ["In my youth I spent half my money on wine and women - the other half I wasted..."]  But perhaps if the couple has only sex as a bond they [or 1 of the 2] could come up with some better interests and hobbies and basic social interaction to broaden what life's all about.

    The only real problem in all this is unwanted children [or partially wanted, partially cared-for]. Economically, time-wise, attention-wise, psychically - kids require support, love, care. The basic reality is women handle the love children, often without enough resources, and it's up to both partners to figure out such as simple thing as contraception until birth is wanted. People have managed unwanted pregnancy pretty well for thousands of years - hard to see why in an age of easy access to very effective chemical and physical contraception and even safe abortion that we do a worse job than our ancestors. Devolution?


    PP,

    Your example above is anecdotal. Where people go wrong regarding men’s attitude toward woman - especially women, because, for the most part men know better - is thinking that it can change with enlightenment. It won’t. Men’s attitude toward woman is not subject to fade, fashion, or changing mores. The masculine attitude toward females is pervasive and innate part of our masculine nature, just as much so as our predisposition to be sexual predators.

    It is my opinion that natures made men more sexually aggressive and women more sexually conservative in order to, on the one hand, perpetuate the species, but on the other, not have our sexual activity degenerate into a mass orgy, as it would if left to man alone. So many of our attitudes in this regard are built-in, and controlled by our brain stem, as oppose to our higher brain functions. They used to stone a woman to death for promiscuity, now men merely look upon them as "flawed," but the disapproval remains. You can easily get clear evidence of that by going up to any male and suggest that his mother or daughter is sexually promiscuous. If you survive the encounter, you’ll have irrefutable evidence of a man’s true attitude toward sexually aggressive women - what we might say to a woman to get a piece notwithstanding.


    Jesus, your whole trip is anecdotal.

    Yes, men's attitude can change as they see women hold executive positions, construction jobs, leading science roles, etc. That doesn't mean we stop being males - it means we stop being shits.

    There seems to be a natural tendency for our species not to get caught up in prolonged orgies, even though there are pockets of it. There are a lot of behavioral and social reasons this happens, but basically our species likes settling down overall as mostly monogamous pairs, even though sexual interests don't abate, and the concept of "til death do us part" is a rather artificial tenet that's been blown away.

    Yes, some have lots of neuroses about how our daughters and mothers are virgins and everybody else's is a whore. But I'm sure my daughter will handle her sex and love life just fine and have roughly the number of lovers she desires, and will probably live most of her life in a few monogamous relations whatever she does in her developing stages.

    Mae West was the symbol of promiscuity in the black & white days and wow, we survived the challenge. A lot of out-of-wedlock hooking up during and after the war, and then the 60's - well somehow the 70's didn't look that much different in terms of marriage and relationships, and old hippies seemed to settle down in pairs, even Stephen Stills with "love the one you're with". So don't worry, be happy - having sex doesn't make a girl a strumpet.


    Having come of age in the repressive 50s, where few women would ever admit to sleeping with a guy because sex was always a woman's fault, and where abortions were done in secret and often with wire hangers, I spent many years coming to terms with female sexuality.

    I have daughters, both of whom have lived with men without benefit of a wedding ring.  At first I was horrified, but I came to terms with that, too, and now I firmly believe every woman should live with the man she might plan to marry before she takes the big step.  It saves a whole lot of grief down the line.  I've been married to the same man for 57 years, most of them happily, but I don't see marriage as the ultimate goal for everybody.  A life of living together can be just as loving,  just as committed.

    Conversely, a marriage can fall apart just as easily as a relationship.  There's nothing magical about that license or that ring.

    If every man believed as you say he does there would be no weddings.  They're still very much in vogue.  Women who sleep with men before marriage are not whores or loose sluts.  They're women.  They'll make mistakes, just as men do, but female sexual needs and wants haven't changed over the years--we've simply left the secrecy and shame behind.  And now you want us to bring it back because. . .why again?


    Again, Ramona,

    I'm not advocating a position. I'm simply giving women the benefit of understanding how MOST men think. I agree with most of what you're saying, and if you read the article carefully, you'll see that I do. Try reading it like I wrote it, without embracing any predisposed ideology. It's taken me years to learn to do that, and it's very difficult. But try it, and I think you'll see that I'm merely relating facts that I think women can use to their advantage.

    I never said that women have to remain celibate until marriage; you read that into to it. I said that men prefer women who are "protective" of their sexuality. I also pointed out that men will say anything, and take any position, that allows sex to be readily available. But if you want to see a man’s true attitude toward female sexuality, all you have to do is even suggest that his mother or daughter is less than protective of their sexuality. You’ll end up with an extremely hostile individual on your hands.

    Women have a vested interest in not wanting to believe what I’m saying. That’s why most of the comments on this article across the internet have come from women. Men know I’m telling the truth, so all I’m hearing from them are crickets.


    Ramona, I want to thank you for your feedback. They've caused me to revisit the article to clarify several issues. I've added maybe five or six additional paragraphs, and as a result, I think it's a much more effective article.     http://wattree.blogspot.com/2014/01/are-women-turning-men-off-with-their...


    Not sure which are the additional paragraphs, but start over - 

    people become "sexual experts" through practice, reading, native empathy & awareness, counseling, whatever. you can do it as a couple, or as single, and doesn't matter much whether male or female.

    people like different things in sex - some don't need or want a "sex expert", but more just a fun partner. Some don't even want sex much, some want a lot - find your own level of compatibility.

    there are a lot of reasons to get married - my grandpa remarried at 85 or so - I'm pretty sure sex wasn't the reason.

    I think it can all come back to Aretha - r-e-s-p-e-c-t. Not respecting women is not the woman's fault for the most part. Not respecting humans and their ability to function past the orgasmatron level is sad. Barbarella made fun of overloaded sexual gratification, but wasn't meant to be taken seriously. 

    Brad Pitt & Angelina Jolie could have most anyone - and they apparently did if you believe the trade rags. But instead they decided to settle down and adopt kids - where exactly does this fit in your whole thesis?


    Wattree, sorry to be coming at this late but I just caught your comment.  I re-read your article and frankly didn't see much different.

    My conclusion:  You may know about a lot of things but you don't know nothin' about no wimmin. 

    Please, just give it up already.  Counseling women is not your strong point.

     


    Not just nothin' about no wimmin but also nothin' about the changing expectations and attitudes of young men after the world of online porn was created.  Possibly of minor interest for the kids to know about how it was when great grandpa was courting great grandma.


    smiley


    LULU,

    I love your link, and also this young lady’s profound insight on personal identity, but I don’t see how it relates to my article at all. My article is not one of those "What every woman should be" sort of articles. My intent was to simply relate information that I think women need to know.


    My intent was to simply relate information that I think women need to know.

    That's where you went wrong.  I'll let you ponder that for a while.


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