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    Did you know this computer giant can trace its roots back to the 1880’s? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM

    I did not.

    There were tabulating machines in those days. Their purpose?

    Stopwatch the workers so that the greedy owners could squeeze all the blood, sweat and tears from its workers down to the last minute.

    Help the corporate accountants keep track of debits and credits.

    These tabulators officially became IBM in 1924.

    SAN FRANCISCO — IBM Corp. has agreed to pay $10 million to settle allegations that it bribed South Korean and Chinese government officials for more than a decade to win contracts.

    The Securities and Exchange Commission accused the technology company of making roughly half that amount in profit from the behavior.

    Managers at an IBM subsidiary and joint venture allegedly paid $207,000 in bribes to South Korean officials from 1998 to 2003. From 2004 until 2009, more than 100 IBM employees in China provided improper overseas trips, entertainment and other gifts for officials, the SEC alleged.

    The SEC said lack of internal controls allowed IBM managers to use local business partners and travel agencies as conduits for bribes in those countries.

    "IBM insists on the highest ethical standards in the conduct of its business and requires all employees to follow its policies and procedures for conducting business," the company based in Armonk, N.Y., said in a statement.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/18/ibm-sec-bribery_n_837796.html

    IBM & NAZI GERMANY

    http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/07/from-nazi-collaborat.html

    "There is something for the organizations and families Morgan and Rockefeller to learn here from their past: that American will no longer sit by and allow it's leading business families derive profit in a way that leads opposing military factions to engage in war against the United States.  That is exactly what NAZI Germany did, it had, by the time America declared war on it, infiltrated the United States with it's spies, sank numerous American Merchant Marine Convoys, killed numerous American civilians abroad and was already planning not only the conquest of North America, but developing missiles (like the Manhattan Express V4 ICBM) to carry explosives and nuclear warheads to New York, Washington DC, and Boston, just as the war progressed to Normandy.  And all during that time IBM, Bell and Standard Oil, all Morgan Companies and Rockefeller Companies, continued to provide technology, fuel and communications through hidden or other subsidiaries to the Nazi cause.  It is incumbent, in the future, for American businesses, upon determining that a customer in a foreign land is using their products and services for the purposes of making war against the United States or terrorism against American citizens and assets, cease doing business with such customers, without further ado. http://www.acsa2000.net/ibm_and_hitler.htm

    There are many ‘histories’ concerning the relationship between IBM and Christian Democracies such as NAZI Germany.

    Wiki goes kind of soft on IBM in this area of discussion; but I assume its propaganda machine regularly ‘edits’ the IBM segments located on Wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM

    But it does appear that by 1940 IBM had ‘given itself’ to the great US of A. That is, FDR had kind of taken control of IBM by the time the bombs were being dropped on England and made it part of the U.S. war machine even before we were at war.

    Just as the government had taken over the auto industry as well as other manufacturing entities.

    I am no great historian certainly and I know little about the relationship between IBM and the NAZI’s.

    I reference a lauded tome on the subject though, even though I have not had the chance to read it.

    IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

    My point here is to underline a belief I have held for decades.

    Corporations do not give one goddamn about this country, they care about profits.

    Corporations do not give one goddamn about labor in this country, they care about profits.

    And these international corporations lie, cheat, steal, bribe and extort to get their way.

    Corporations do not give one goddamn about the health, education or welfare of Americans in general, they care about profits.

    IBM has dropped one third of its American workforce over the last few years while increasing employment in India. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM

    Remember, IBM is International Business Machines, Inc.

    Not the American Business Machines, Inc!!!

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    So my great aunt invested in IBM in the 1930's. She bought IBM stock through the 50's. By the time the 1980's rolled around and she cashed in that stock, she made a killing! She had been a simple bank teller her entire life, but she really did make some great investments, that being the best one. It was like investing in Microsoft in the mid 80's.

    That is my IBM story. I also had a great uncle who owned the train that was used in the Petticoat Junction show. I have had some crazy, but very interesting relatives.


    IBM has accomplished wonderful things in terms of technology; delivering the new tech to the masses.

    IBM represents the good and the bad of American enterprizes.

    It is just that it has become less and less American over the years.


    One book that stuck with me on this topic is Robert Reich's Supercapitalism.  In it, he implores liberals to give up on the happy dream of corporate social responsibility.  Corporations are set up to make profits for shareholders and, of course, to keep salaries flowing to management.  That's it.  If they think they can make more profits by being green, or good to workers, or by supporting the local opera or marathon, they will.  When those activities cease to serve profits, they will stop.  Heck, this is why we have non-profits -- because it's impossible to consistently do good while pursuing profits.  To do good 100% of the time, you have to be free from the profit motive.

    This notion that corporations can care has been advanced by the moneyed elites on the left.  Put simply, people like Bono, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett would all like to believe that they can be rich beyond the dreams of Croesus but make the world a better place as a result.  They certainly accomplish some good along the way but the end result is not so different than a benevolent dictator who justifies his rule by saying, "I love my people."  A few good works don't justify the concentration of wealth and power.

    I don't mean to pick just on Gates and Buffett here.  The Democratic party is full of rich people who would like very much to convince the world, if not themselves, that their profit motives are so much more benign than David Koch's.

    To bring it back to corporations -- these are legal entities that lack moral agency, nothing more.  They will not be constrained by good intentions, only by regulation.


    The king grants the charter and the charter has been issued by the King for five hundred years.

    Now the state issues the charter and that issue should be subject to rules and regulations.

    It is that simple!


    Absolutely. IBM is not different than any other corporate entity. All they car about is the bottom line and so pay not attention to anything else. Nor do they care who they do business with or how.


    give up on the happy dream of corporate social responsibility



    I do not know where this myth came from.

    Rockefeller handing out dimes or establishing all these foundations.

    THEY DO NOT CARE.

    The best example of corporate evil to me is when various banks were firing thousands upon thousands of employees and then handing out million dollar bonuses to the members of management.

    Oh well....


    I think I know where it came from. From upper crust Liberals who have to believe it because they work for these self same corporations and it's the ONLY way they can do so and still live with themselves and sleep at night.


    I'm pretty sure that's it.  Also, certain people who think taking a "liberal" public stance will insulate them from social criticism.


    As some one who works in the nonprofit sector, and depends on not only employees giving but the corporation cutting annual checks in the amout of 30K to 75K to something even more, along with sponsorship of health and human service initiatives (as long as their logo gets on the brochure), there is much more to the idea of corporate responsibility.

    I am one of the first persons to understand how the corporate structure (and it uber evil twin multi-national corporation structure) have wrecked havoc on societies (ie the dumping of topic waste in watershed of African villages so that the villagers are pissing, clearcutting forests that lead to mudslides killing everyone in a Indonesia village).

    But to sit there and act as if there aren't people and corporations (most of which are not on Forbes 500) don't act in ways that benefit communities is just the same, pardon the french, crap we get from the other side. 

    We aren't going to move forward unless we willing to deal with the complexities.  But if y'all want to just make a boogey man like the conservatives did with the commies, etc. count me out.


    This comes off like "A noun. A verb. And Nazis" to me. You probably could have made your point better without going out in a massive ode to Goodwin. In essence, I see you asserting IBM should have acted in relation to Germany as Bank of America and Amazon recently did against Wikileaks ... randomly assert national interest to bypass due process and the legitimate role of government. I'm sorry, not joining you on that.

    Corporations exist to make money. Period. They have a legal responsibility to their shareholders to do no less. That's how our entire system is designed. Government is supposed to provide the regulation and oversight to ensure profit making activities are aligned with America's interest. The legislature does it by passing laws and then it becomes the responsibility of the executive to take action on those laws and ensure the application benefits American society. Nowhere in that formula are corporations called on autonomously think "gee, screw profits we're in this for the American poor!!!"

    The failure isn't in American corporations. The failure is in our corrupt leaders who do their bidding for money. That is why I can't join you in support of a president who is hoovering up their cash as fast as he can promoting conservative corporatist policy ... while pretending corporations are somehow the source of anti-American evil just for doing what they are incentivized to do. They are only able to engage in activities permitted by the executive. Period. Corporations don't owe America good behavior, the government owes America stringent oversight to ensure profit-aligned corporate behavior benefits Americans. I don't call on corporations to magically self-regulate. I call on our regulators to rein in an out-of-control corporate pillage which is facilitated by executive policy.

    You appear to be blaming corporations for what is really the failure of Obama (as with both Clinton and Bush before him) to even nominally carry out his duties in this regard. You can extend this to mining oversight - where Massey still rules autonomous after blowing up a bunch of mine workers with barley a slap on the wrist ... or to drilling - where BP's oil well that destroyed the gulf and killed 11 would have been halted by a judge were it not for Obama's intervention to ensure the well was drilled (environmental concerns be damned) and now BP is asking to have damage settlements dismissed ... or to financial oversight - where $900 billion in QE2 facilitates foreign currency manipulation instead of investing that trillion in job creation and 30x+ leverage into synthetic derivatives is where the 0% money they pulling from our discount window goes ... or to military contracting - where our Diplomats and Congresspeople are protected by six-figure mercenaries instead of the traditional honor guard of American Marines dedicated 100% to service of their nation. All of these are executive decisions that have NOTHING to do with 60 votes in the senate or other Democratic bullshit excuses.

    Our president is failing to do his job as president. That is the primary reason corporations are able to rape us. Instead he is (arguably) doing his job as a Democrat. This means fucking over America if it advances the party. Donal has endorsed fucking over America to win. Another Trope has. A-Man has. Flavius has. LisB. TMac .... pretty much anyone who identifies first and foremost as a Democrat is willing to screw over any/every one of the interests you correctly observe corporations don't give a damn about in order to advance/protect party personalities and power.

    As a Democrat, you are able to accept this is a fair exchange - just as corporate shareholders are willing to make the same compromises to advance their priorities. I'm not seeing a distinction here between the priorities as defined by loyalist Democrats and those defined by corporate executives. Neither group can can claim to honestly place American interests first. Both rely on non-members accepting actions to advance the fortunes of a corporate group *ARE* the American interest no matter how many "tertiary" American policies and population-wide interests must be compromised along the way in order to facilitate it.

    An organization willing to compromise American interests to advance their personal goals is an organization willing to bring down America to advance their personal goals. At least corporations are honest about it and have zero responsibility to behave any differently. Democrats OTOH claim to be better and more enlightened than ... well pretty much everyone else in the entire world ... while they argue rape and pillage isn't rape and pillage when THEY get paid to let corporations do it; or at least it's "rape for a good cause".

    Talk is cheap. Anyone can claim to support labor while giving a nuanced explanation why it would be wrong to "risk" going to bat for EFCA. Funny how that works. When the elite classes in control are willing to take those sorts of risks, and when the rank and file refuse to accept any less, such a party can claim to support labor. As a national organization, Democrats are no longer such a party. Neither are Republicans. No matter how bad the Republicans suck - it doesn't turn the Democrats into something they aren't. At the end of the day it is counterproductive to blame corporations for what is ultimately an abject failure of the partisan political duopoly to provide effective governance.


    I did not do that. I have in the past, but I did not do that here.

    IBM contributed to the NAZI menace. No question there at all.

    FDR took over IBM just like Ford.

    IBM has now downsized the American labor force. period.

    That is a fact.

    FUCK THE CORPORATIONS.

    All of them have been granted charters with certain restrictions and THEY ALL VIOLATE THEIR RESTRICTIONS.

    They bribe our gov officials.

    They pay for propaganda networks to keep the masses quiet.

    THEY SHOULD ALL BE ABOLISHED IN FAVOR OF SOME OTHER MODEL.

    OUR CURRENT MODEL DOES NOT WORK.

     


    where Massey still rules autonomous after blowing up a bunch of mine workers with barley a slap on the wrist

    so you blame Obama and not the judges who ruled in Massey's favor?  Is Obama suppose to step in and overturn the rulings of judges?  Do you want that kind of power in the hands of the executive in the WH? 

    The reason OConner flipped her lid on the supreme court ruling on coporate donation is that the vast majority of judge positions are through elections and they have become just as expensive as legislator elections.  In other words, judges are just beholden to big donors as politicans.  But the moment we step into that place where politicans "veto" the rulings of judges, we are in a very very scary place.  But Articleman can probably articulate this better than me.


    Yes, that is it, I endorse fucking over America. Feel better about yourself do you? Hi Dick Cheney, didn't know you were a frequent poster at Dagblog. How is the line in the  sand working for you, building bridges and making friends I see. 

    Next up, you'll give us a lesson on how great Libertarianism is, and then you'll go on to tell us that Rand and Ron Paul are the greatest things to hit America.  Whatever, we've heard it before, no need to write a master's thesis about how you just know, just know, we love to fuck America over. That is what believing different things means, it means we are fucking America over and you are righteous. I keep forgetting! You are just such a great guy! It must be awesome to believe all the right things. I sure do wish I could learn at your  knee. Your belief system is also so much better than mine and more highly developed, because you are deep beyond words, but if only you could use fewer to let us know how great you are, it is more understandable to us morons when it is shorter.  You really are awesome.

    Let's face it KGB, you are just smarter. So exactly what is a genius like you, doing here anyway? Hell, I am sure AynRand.com is just waiting for another Galt to show up and save the world, maybe the real Galt is you. John "KGB" Galt Idaho. Hahahaha.

    You are an absolute joke KGB, you know that, just an absolute joke.


    Well, I just say this: all this rambling, and attacks on particular bloggers/commenters, is to cover for the fact that you can't figure out how do awaken the body politic to the issues.  So instead of deal with the difficult challenges facing those involved in governance, from the grassroots to the beltway, you seek the same easy rhetorical flourishes we see in places like cable news commentary shows.


    A Pox on all their houses.

     

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    If you by "a pox" you mean x-box, then I agree.  Unless by "their" we're thinking something altogether different.


    A pox on all their houses. Brush up your Shakespear.


    not to be too snippy but pox and plague are actually two different things.  So if you want to quote Shakespeare and have people respond to it as such, then maybe you might want to actually use the words he used rather than paraphrasing him.  And I knew what you were referencing but since I have immersed in the Holocaust and Hiroshima all day here, I am getting to the point where I'm trying to lighten things up.  Sorry.


    But that is where the saying came from. It is a misquote and I am aware of that. But it is how I feel.

    A plague on all their houses.


    Sure IBM, like all corporations, is a soul-less, heartless entity that seeks only to make obscene amounts of money (a modest profit is never good enough), and only cares about people or the environment when there's a profit for them in doing so. But like all businesses they sometimes get their come-uppance, in this case, one of the biggest and costliest mistakes in the history of commerce; letting that Gates kid retain ownership of the MS-DOS operating system, when IBM had the chance to own it outright.  Think of how much bigger and more annoyingly soul-less they might have been.


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