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    Let's Look at the Court Decision Ordering Release of the Photos The President Now Seeks to Overturn

    Since the President's flip flop on the release of the photos his administration had previously agreed to release, pursuant to an order of a Federal court, there has been tremendous debate about what the President said and why as well as what the merits of his arguments for doing so are.  There's really no getting around the fact that this is a flip flop on the President's part.  Nothing has changed from last month when he approved release of the photos.  Not one thing.  Motivation, however, is up for debate and there has been plenty of speculation on that.  There has also been copious debate on the merits of his reasoning for reversing his decision and instead attempting to appeal the case despite already having lost on appeal with the very same arguments in the 2nd circuit.

    Be that as it may, there has been much sincere, heated back and forth about whether or not the President's sudden claims for wanting to conceal these photos from public view are "right" or "wrong", "legitimate" or "politically motivated" and the focus has been on that as opposed to what the law requires.  We are, after all, debating how to respond or deal with a court decision here and not a simple political preference.  Once the President changed his position, however, the focus of much of the debate immediately drifted to whether one supports the President or not in many respects and that, I think most would agree, is not where the focus should be.  The release of the photos is intimately bound up in the much larger question that looms over the nation about whether there will be a return to the rule of law, or not, with respect to the now very well known war crimes committed during the Bush years.  The issues of transparency and open government are criticial elements in that larger issue and the President himself said those two issue along with the rule of law would be the "hallmark" of his Presidency. 

    There is a titanic struggle taking place right now between those in officialdom who do not want to deal with the crimes of the Bush years, for a variety of self serving reasons, who advocate "moving forward" and vowing to ourselves that we won't repeat those "mistakes" in the future, versus those who believe that the criminal conduct, that we all know took place, is far worse than anything that happened during the Watergate era or since and that the criminal activity conceived and implemented by President Bush and his closest and most powerful advisors was so heinous and barbaric that to fail to investigate those crimes would be a clear violation of our domestic laws and of a number of our treaty obligations.  The latter group believes that if we fail to pursue these crimes according to the law that the very idea of the rule of law in the USA may be irrevocably damaged.  I certainly am among those in the latter group.  The photo release issue is merely a tactical skirmish in this larger battle for the future of the United States.

    Despite being "only" a tactical skirmish, the debate over release of the photos is an important one, but it is first and foremost, like the larger context in which it takes place, a debate about the law and what it requires.  In this case we are talking about the Freedom of Information Act and the release, by the government, of public information requested in a lawsuit initiated, and won decisively, by the ACLU. 

    The fact that each and every one of the arguments offered by the President for reversing his stand on the photo release and pursuing an appeal has already been rejected twice by the courts gets little attention from those who now, like the President, are focused on the safety of the troops and the supposed negative reaction release of the photos might spark.  Much of the defense of the President's about face is offered as though the reasons had not been previously given to the court and that somehow the question is unsettled or unclear and so needs to be aired.  Well, obviously, in terms of individual, personal opinions the question may not ever be a settled one.  But just as obviously, in terms of the legal status of the arguments involved, all of them offered by the President---every single one---has been settled.  In fact, the legal questions have been so clearly settled that the administration's opinion up until a couple of days ago was that, legally speaking, it was "hopeless" to appeal the decision.  "Hopeless."  That's a pretty unequivocal term and indicates how weak the government arguments have been for suppressing the photos in question.

    As mentioned above, the Bush administration previously made all the arguments President Obama now offers and the arguments were unequivocally rejected.  Anyone can read the entire opinion but it is kind of long at 50 pages.  It's online at: http://www.aclu.org/torturefoia/legaldocuments/aOrder092905.pdf .  The opinion, written by District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein on this matter in 2005 is not ambiguous with respect to the law in the judgment he handed down.  It is the clarity and lack of gray areas in Judge Hellerstein's decision that caused it to be fully sustained on appeal by the Bush government.  It is also why the Obama government until a few days ago concluded appealing the decision was "hopeless."  I would invite everyone to read it and consider the reasoning the judge lays out so cogently.  You don't need to be a lawyer to get through it.  It is very well written and in plain English. 

    For those who aren't likely to try and tackle such a lengthy tome, here are some, IMHO, key excerpts from the judges decision relating to the issue at hand, which, let's not forget, is the release (or not) of the photos.  I have eliminated the more complicated legal notations simply to make the text more readable.  I don't think any meaning is lost by doing so.  You can easily find all the detailed notation and citations by going to the pdf I linked to above.  Please forgive any typos as unintentional.

    So please, I invite everyone to actually read what the judge said and thus to understand what the appeal the President is going to pursue seeks to overturn. 

    I think that many who would otherwise be inclined to side with the Presidents objections to the release might rethink their position when they consider the court's opinion and the issues as a matter of law as opposed to a test of support for the President, for support of the President is simply a political posture.  The questions raised in the lawsuit are not political they are questions of principle generally and legal principle specifically, questions of transparency, open government and the rule of law.  The question this and several other issues before the public raise, is do you support, as a matter of principle, the rule of law, transparency in government and open government? 

    I would suppose that few, if any, of those defending the Obama reasoning felt the same way they do now about the issue when the President supported releasing the photos last month (or even three days ago for that matter) and have only discovered their grave concern for troop safety if these photos are released since the President reversed himself on the issue and they now find themselves following his lead.  To those folks I'd say try to roll it back a week when we were all on the same page and see if you don't find Judge Hellerstein, transparency, open government and the rule of law more persuasive than the arguments this and the immediate and loathed past President offer for suppressing the photos.

    From Page 40 of the decision:

    With the exception of the small number of Darby photographs that I ordered to be withheld, where the risk of exposure is too great and the informational value is minimal, the balancing analysis weighs in favor of disclosure in the present case.  There is a substantial public interest in these pictures, evidence by the active public debate engendered by the versions previously leaked to the press, or otherwise obtained by the media.  See discussion in section (c) of this Opinion, infra.  Moreover, the government concedes that wrongful conduct has occurred.   Defs.' Br., at 70-72.  Plaintiffs assert that they seek release of the Darby photographs to inform the public, and to spark debate about the causes and forces that led to the breakdown of command discipline at Abu Ghraib prison and, possibly, by extension, to other prisons in Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo, and perhaps elsewhere.  These are the very purposes that FOIA is intended to advance.  The photographs are sought to "shed light on an agency's performance of its statutory duties" and to "contribut [e] significantly to public understanding of the operations or activities of the government."  As I remarked at oral argument:

    Photographs present a different level of detail and a different medium, and are the best evidence that the public could have as to what occurred at a particular time, better than testimony, which can be self-serving, better than summaries, which can be misleading, and better even than a full description no matter how complete that description might be.

    From page 43-44 of the decision:

    Plaintiffs and amici curiae, The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press and other prominent news organizations, object to my consideration of the government's eleventh-hour argument in reliance on Exemption 7(F).  See proposed Br. Amici Curiae, filed Aug. 3, 2005.  Amici argue that the exemption now pressed by the government could have been presented much earlier, certainly by the date of oral argument in May, and that its invocation at this late date delays the ultimate resolution of the issues.  Amici contend that the government's supplemental argument is not made in "good faith" and should not be considered by the court.

    The issue of the physical safety of our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, and of the citizens of those countries, has been of paramount concern throughout this case, and it is sensible to address the issue squarely under the framework advanced by the government.  The parties agreed to an expedited briefing schedule in order to minimize delays.

    The government contends that publication of the Darby photographs pursuant to court order is likely to incite violence against our troops and Iraqi and Afghan personnel and civilians, and that redactions will not avert the danger.  The government argues that the terrorists will use the re-publication of the photographs as a pretext for further acts of terrorism.  See, Second Amended Decl. of Richard B. Myers, Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, dated Aug. 25, 2005.  (stating that the "insurgents will use any means necessary to incite violence and, specifically, will focus on perceived U.S. or Coalition mistreatment of Iraqi civilians and detainees as a propaganda and recruiting tool to aid their cause," and that "redaction of the photographs and videos will not alleviate or lessen this risk,")  Plaintiffs, on the other hand, provide the declaration of a scholar on the Middle East who states that, in his opinion, "there is nothing peculiar about Muslim culture in Iraq or elsewhere that would make people react to these pictures in a way different from other people's reactions elsewhere in the world."  Decl. of Khaled Fahmy, Prof., New York Univ., dated Aug. 4, 2005.  In addition, Professor Fahmy suggests that there is a large group of Iraqis, and of Muslims generally, who respond favorably when we show the openness of our society and the accountability of our government officials, and that we would suppress those values and that favorable response by preventing publication of the Darby photographs.

    Our nation does not surrender to blackmail, and fear of blackmail is not a legally sufficient argument to prevent us from performing a statutory command.  Indeed, the freedoms that we champion are as important to our success in Iraq and Afghanistan as the guns and missiles with which our troops are armed.

    From Page 45 of the decision:

    The terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan do not need pretexts for their barbarism; they have proven to be aggressive and pernicious in their choice of targets and tactics. They have driven exploding trucks into groups of children at play and men seeking work; they have attacked doctors, lawyers, teachers, judges and legislators as easily as soldiers.  Their pretexts for carrying out violence are patent hypocrisies, clearly recognized as such except by those who would blur the clarity of their own vision.  With great respect to the concerns expressed by General Myers, my task is not to defer to our worst fears, but to interpret and apply the law, in this case, the Freedom of Information Act, which advances values important to our society, transparency and accountability in government.

    From Page 47-50 of the decision:

    With regard to Living Rivers, the inundation maps were compiled by the Bureau of Reclamation to "maintain law and order and protect persons and property within Reclamation project and on Reclamation lands" by protecting and alerting threatened communities, again a nexus to law enforcement in that context.  However, there is no such nexus with respect to the Darby photographs.  The Darby photographs are being withheld, not to protect anyone involved in the courts marital investigations and prosecutions, but for another purpose.  The person who took the photographs, or handed them over to commanding officers, do not ask for protection.  Law enforcement officials charged with investigating the circumstances that surrounded the taking of the Darby photographs do not ask for protection, and there is no allegation that release of the photographs will endanger their lives.   And since the identifying characteristics of the detainees are to be redacted, they too are not endangered.  The sole justification for suppressing the photographs is the DOD's concern about speech---generally, how some might exploit the Darby photographs, in propaganda and in terrorist activities, by arguing, though false extension, that the pictures represent the attitudes of all American soldiers, or indeed of all Americans, toward the Iraqi people.

    It is not necessary for me to rule if Larouche and Living Rivers are, or are not, appropriate extensions of Exemption 7 (F).  I reject, however, the government's argument that reasoning must stop once a threat to life or safety is discerned.  Balancing and evaluation are essential aspects of the judicial function, no less in considering the exemptions of FOIA than in other areas of the law.  It is clear to me that the core values that Exemption 7 (F) was designed to protect are not implicated by the release of the Darby photographs, but that the core values of FOIA are very much implicated.

    The interest at stake arises from pictures of flagrantly improper conduct by American soldiers---forcing prisoners under their charge to pose in a manner that compromised their humanity and dignity.  As I stated at the time of the original argument, and as I reiterated previously in this decision, the pictures are the best evidence of what happened, better than words, which might fail to describe, or summaries, which might err in their attempt to generalize and abbreviate.  Publication of the photographs is central to the purpose of FOIA because they initiate debate, not only about the improper and unlawful conduct of American soldiers, "rogue" soldiers, as they have been characterized, but also about other important questions as well---for example, the command structure that failed to exercise discipline over the troops, and the person in that command structure whose failures in exercising supervision may make them culpable along with the soldier who were court-martialed for perpetrating the wrongs; the poor training that did not create patterns of proper behavior and that failed to reach or distinguish between conduct that was proper and improper; the regulations and orders that governed the conduct of military forces engaged in guarding prisoners; the treatment of prisoners in other areas and place of detention; and other related questions.

    Suppression of information is the surest way to cause its significance to grow and persist.  Clarity and openness are the best antidotes, either to dispel criticism if not merited, or if merited, to correct such errors as may be found.  The fight to extend freedom has never been easy, and we are once again challenged, in Iraq and Afghanistan, by terrorists who engage in violence to intimidate our will and to force us to retreat.  Our struggle to prevail must be without sacrificing the transparency and accountability of government and military officials.  These are the values FOIA was intended to advance, and they are the very heart of the values for which we fight in Afghanistan and Iraq.  There is a risk that the enemy will seize upon the publicity of the photographs and seek to use such publicity as a pretext for enlistments and violent acts.  But the education and debate that such publicity will foster will strengthen our purpose and, by enabling such deficiencies as may be perceived to be debated and corrected, show our strength as a vibrant and functioning democracy to be emulated.

    In its most recent discussion of FOIA, the Supreme Court commented that "FOIA is often explained as a means for citizens to know what 'their Government is up to.'  The sentiment is far from a convenient formalism.  It defines a structural necessity in a real democracy."  As President Bush said, we fight to spread freedom so the freedoms of Americans will be made more secure.  It is in compliance with these principles, enunciated by both the President and the highest court in the land, that I order the government to produce the Darby photographs that I have determined are responsible and appropriately redacted.

    Comments

    From AG Eric Holder's testimony yesterday:

    Holder told the US house judiciary committee that Obama's reversal of his original decision not to oppose their release was because he feared a backlash against US troops serving in places such as Iraq and Afghanistan. "The president consulted with the generals on the ground and made the determination that the release of those photos would endanger our troops," he said.

    "The concern was the release of those photos could have a negative impact on the situation both in Iraq and in Afghanistan and I think the president as commander in chief ... thought that the posture he has now put us in was the better one."

    Bush never listened to the generals on the ground. Obama is. Seems like the right strategy.


    Let's put 2 and 2 together:

    Obama is so concerned about the backlash against the troops, that he's going to appeal the court order, knowing full well that he will lose that appeal.

    Seems like the right strategy to me too.


    Obviously, you did not read the excerpts or the decision.

    Bush most certainly did listen to the Generals who were singing the very same tune then, as they are now. Judge Hellerstein eloquently rejects the argument.

    You really should read the decision, at least the excerpts above.


    I did read through your entire post. The question is, what caused Obama to change his mind? He was for releasing them what, a month ago? But something major had to happen to cause him to reverse his position. Generals on the ground is the official reason both Axelrod and Holder cited in the past 24 hours. Are they lying? Then what's the real reason?


    The question was certainly NOT what caused him to change his mind, but what does the law require? What does it say? You don't seem to take in the content for some reason.

    Sit down and actually read this post. It might help you.

    Why are they parroting the same BS that Bush was from the military? I'll give ya three guesses.


    "The sole justification for suppressing the photographs is the DOD's concern about speech---generally, how some might exploit the Darby photographs, in propaganda and in terrorist activities, by arguing, though false extension, that the pictures represent the attitudes of all American soldiers, or indeed of all Americans, toward the Iraqi people."

    So the DOD convinced Obama to reverse his position because of their concerns that the images would immediatley be used for anti-American propaganda, having a direct and negative impact on the troops. Why do you refuse to entertain the validity of this argument?


    Seems like a pointless strategy to me. Are our troops magically coming home in the next couple of months? Is Obama going somehow wave his hand between now and when he loses in court and suddenly there will be so damn much good will in Afghanistan that what ever horrendous fury these 40-odd pictures might cause today would be unfathomable? Considering the events in Pakistan, that seems laughably unlikely.

    This it the crux of it ... the justification is bullshit. The military generals put Obama in a spot where he had to either reject their advice or engage in a pointless stall that gives another few months before public disclosure starts.

    There is only one thing I see being accomplished by this ... McChrystal takes command unchallenged. Then Obama will have a new choice: to explain why, if torture is so bad, did he put a man who oversaw and authorized severe "EIT"s in command of Afghanistan ... prosecute his own chosen general ... or just let the whole military side of the abuse fade away. IMO, the O-Man is being set up.


    I prefer NC Steve's summary:

    So given all of that, here's Obama's decision tree:

    Not necessarily the worst case scenario if I release the photos: riots break out in Pakistan; money and recruits flow into Afghanistan and Waziristan again from Saudi Arabia and Yeman and Pakistan; Iraq blows up; thousands die.

    Worst case scenario if I don't release them: left wing bloggers and commenters piss and moan and call me names.

    Yeah, can't say it would be a hard call for me, either.



    ...he's going to appeal the court order, knowing full well that he will lose that appeal.

    Ha! Can we call this his "Coleman Strategy"? :-)


    I'm sure you do.


    We could call it anything because it's not the strategy. It's the delegation of decision to someone else.


    Thanks for pointing out one of the many misnomers in this post as in, 'Nothing has changed from last month when he approved release of the photos.' (The General's whose responsibility it is to protect the troops spoke out for one thing!)


    There is also this:

    "The most direct consequence of releasing them, I believe, would be to further inflame anti-American opinion and to put our troops in greater danger," Obama told journalists on Wednesday.

    "Moreover, I fear the publication of these photos may only have a chilling effect on future investigations of detainee abuse."

    Not sure what the "chilling effect" would be, but it certainly suggests that someone advised Obama that holding these back will benefit "future investigations."

    Maybe Obama knows what he's doing?


    Absolutely believe that! More than anyone else he has data/info needed to make informed decision.


    Our nation does not surrender to blackmail, and fear of blackmail is not a legally sufficient argument to prevent us from performing a statutory command. Indeed, the freedoms that we champion are as important to our success in Iraq and Afghanistan as the guns and missiles with which our troops are armed.

    Oleeb, you give one hell of an argument. Great post no matter how people vote on this. And that underlined paragraph I put here, hey, rhetoric and truth at its best.

    I hereby award you the Dayly Quote of the Day and Post of the Day Award for this here TPMCafe site given to all of you from all of me.

    Really, a hell of a presentation. Whether all agree or not, there is not one point you make here that cannot be considered.


    I guess you are unable to read the english language and detect that the excuses of the Generals now are no different than they were in 2005. The move to suppress is not intended to protect troops at all. It is intended to help prevent the discussion and debate the decision discusses at length, that could lead to holding the very Generals in question, responsible for their own bad conduct. The Kool Aid is powerful with you I see.


    Thanks DD. I am genuinely honored.


    Very perceptive and accurate analysis.


    No, it's just that I'm not a narrow-minded one-trick pony and can see that there is more to this than you are willing to address.


    Really good piece, Oleeb.

    But 4 Rec's? What's the French for WTF? ;-)


    Have another cup of the juice friend.


    Why thanks Q!

    As for the 4 recs, dunno. People sometimes don't like to face certain kinds of facts if it causes problems for them in terms of seeing and hearing what they'd rather see and hear. Just a guess.


    This post is about the courts decision.

    The court has clearly ruled that this argument is not valid. No material circumstances of any kind have changed since the judge issued this order. None. So it isn't a question of me personally not acknowledging the validity of the President's excuse for flip flopping.

    The courts have flatly rejected the troop safety argument as invalid as a matter of law and that ruling has been sustained on appeal. So I have to ask you, what is it about this that you don't seem to be able to understand because you seem to be fully invested in justifying why you are following the leader on this issue, but you have absolutely nothing to say about the court's decision, it's reasoning, or the fact that the excuse of troop safety is clearly and thoroughly rejected as a reason to hide this material from public scrutiny.

    I must ask, where was your concern for troop safety three weeks ago with respect to the release of these photos? Where was it last week? Where was it on Monday morning? Were you upset prior to the flip flop that the President was going to allow this dangerous move? Of course you weren't, because it is not the principle at all that motivates you but your desire to support the President's position. If I am wrong on this, please feel free to show us your posts raising objections to the President's previous position on the photo release and/or any posts you might have put out there before this week about the harm that could come to our troops should these photos be released. I would be most interested in reading them, but I have the distinct impression you don't have any to offer just as the rest of the folks dutifully backing the President on his flip flop don't have any such posts to offer up.

    The principles at stake here are incredibly important. They are so important, in fact, the President specifically said they would be the hallmark of his administration. The decision the President now seeks to overturn is a decision that strongly supports what he claimed on January 21st would be the hallmark of his presidency: open government, transparency, and the rule of law. His present position flies directly in the face of all three principles and if his appeal succeeds would wrap government in a much tighter and more opaque seal of secrecy than ever before. Is that of no concern at all to you?


    Oleeb, it would be great if you could turn your sharp eye on Holder's testimony to the House Judiciary Committee last week.


    Oleeb, I read your excerpt, so please don't keep repeating, when someone doesn't agree with you, that they must not have read it. We're reading--really.

    In your very first cite, the judge says:

    With the exception of the small number of Darby photographs that I ordered to be withheld, where the risk of exposure is too great and the informational value is minimal, the balancing analysis weighs in favor of disclosure in the present case. There is a substantial public interest in these pictures, evidence by the active public debate engendered by the versions previously leaked to the press, or otherwise obtained by the media.

    If he, in fact, wants so scrupulously to follow the law, how is it that he finds the authority to withhold ANY pictures? If he is deciding which pictures to hold back and which will be shown, wouldn't you agree that he's crossing a legal line? I'm not a legal scholar by any means, but I thought following the law meant "following the law"--which, in this case, means releasing the photos.

    He cites "public interest" as further reason for the decision. That's specious. There are many times when "public interest" cannot and should not be the basis for issuing a legal determination. Security issues and Privacy issues trump public interest, for example.

    But this is the part that is most troubling to me:

    The terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan do not need pretexts for their barbarism; they have proven to be aggressive and pernicious in their choice of targets and tactics. They have driven exploding trucks into groups of children at play and men seeking work; they have attacked doctors, lawyers, teachers, judges and legislators as easily as soldiers. Their pretexts for carrying out violence are patent hypocrisies, clearly recognized as such except by those who would blur the clarity of their own vision.

    This may be true enough, but does it have a place in a written judgment? What does this have to do with his "strict" interpretation of the law as it applies to questionable photos? Who is he trying to convince, and why? If, as you say, he has the law on his side, this is nothing more than hyperbolic nonsense, best left to opinion pieces.

    Clearly you believe this is a legal issue, and nothing more. I believe in the law, but I see this as a moral and safety issue, as well. I'm not convinced by the judge's interpretation, but I'm glad you took the time to post this. It's useful to talk about it at length (but you'll notice we're doing it pretty well without pictures).


    Like you, I am not sure what that "chilling effect on future investigations" may be. As a matter of fact, it blatantly contradicts his assertion that the "bad apples" were already punished.
    I detect the "benevolent paternalism" of the behavioral economists whose thinking permeates the White House. In my opinion, it is we, not the terrorists of al-Qaeda who hardly need incitement, who are the targets of this action. Obama does not want to undermine his own program by exposing how deeply poisoned the command structure of the American military has been and no doubt continues to be -poisoned from the top.
    As for qualms regarding photos triggering riots in Pakistan, it is estimated that there are now a MILLION refugees in that country. The scale of this catastrophe is not easy to understand, and it has far more dire consequences for Obama's policy than any photos could have.
    But as I said, Obama wants us to have faith in the command structure. Given what has transpired, that is simply not possible.


    So what was an obvious attempt to cover up the truth under Bush is now suddenly a virtuous and wise move because the leader handing you the ver same line has changed?

    Nothing has changed about this case factually. There are no changed circumstances of any kind. Not one thing is changed and there is absolutely nothing but speculation and fear (as the judge so clearly pointed out) to warrant continued suppression of these photos.


    "the balancing analysis weighs in favor of disclosure in the present case. There is a substantial public interest in these pictures"

    That's the problem in a nutshell. You MUST weigh, and you must have sufficient reason for release.

    The judge is wrong on 43-44, it's not "blackmail" it's prudence. Ditto on 45, it's not "need pretext" but "inflamed passions" which is the criterion.

    I stopped at that point. The opinion is trash, as cited by the OP.


    I'm sorry. I saw nothing in the judge's comments that would justify releasing those photos. That's what we're talking about here--isn't it?

    How is deciding not to release inflammatory torture photos "covering up the truth"? We KNOW the truth. What exactly will these photos add?


    The reason is because that is the law which is no small thing.

    The pictures must be released in accordance with the law.

    From the court's order:

    "Our nation does not surrender to blackmail, and fear of blackmail is not a legally sufficient argument to prevent us from performing a statutory command..."

    The order makes very clear that the possibility of "inflaming" Muslims any more than they are already inflamed is nothing more than speculation and that there is a counterbalancing positive impact to the release. The court carefully and in great detail goes through arguments, weighs them, and finds that the claims of the Pentagon are nothing but claims and claims that the law does not yield to and for good and established reason. Specifically on the troop safety claim the court went way out of its way to hear the argument (which it could have rejected out of hand as out of order)and gave the government every possible chance to make a credible claim. The government's claim was not sufficient to suppress the documents, in this case, photos.

    Among other things the court directly addresses your point:

    "With great respect to the concerns expressed by General Myers, my task is not to defer to our worst fears, but to interpret and apply the law, in this case, the Freedom of Information Act, which advances values important to our society, transparency and accountability in government."

    Please note that the Judge pays deference to the military particularly since he was a part of the JAG in the US Army for several years as a young man and thus has real empathy with the concerns voiced by the Generals.

    The court makes clear why the law anticipates the difficulty of situations precisely like this and addresses specifically what the importance is of follwoing the law in releasing public documents like these photos:

    "Publication of the photographs is central to the purpose of FOIA because they initiate debate, not only about the improper and unlawful conduct of American soldiers, "rogue" soldiers, as they have been characterized, but also about other important questions as well---for example, the command structure that failed to exercise discipline over the troops, and the person in that command structure whose failures in exercising supervision may make them culpable along with the soldier who were court-martialed for perpetrating the wrongs;"

    The court clearly anticipates the importance of release of the documents in order to spark debate that could lead to thos responsible for these crimes when it says:

    "and the person in that command structure whose failures in excecising supervision may make them culpable along with the soldiers who were court-martialed for perpetrating those wrongs;"

    All of these reasons, clearly laid out are compelling and sound and unassailable. Your personal assessment differs with the judge which is fine, but the judge considered and weighed every argument, as did the appeals court and found the reasons offered by the government, the very reasons Obama now submits, unconvincing and inadquate to suppress the documents. There is a massive difference between one's personal opinion and that of a judicial opinion of this kind which was clearly given tremendous thought and all the merits of both sides given a fair and honest hearing.

    If you cannot see how exceptionally clear the law is in this matter, particularly after reading the opinion or excerts then I just don't know how to explain the matter to you except to say this isn't a matter in which you (meaning anyone) get to create a new reason for suppression of public information that is outside the law, with no evidence to support the claim or that tips the balance of any of the tests the law requires in favor of your new and nonstatutory claim. In a nation where the law is supposed to be supreme, then that is what counts, not the emotional response to suppress because of the specter of possible negative consequences and the court specifically made that point more than once in its decision.


    You certainly would know a lot about trash, but in this case I'll go with the opinion that was upheld on appeal.


    Forensics deals with what's on the table. You post trash, I call it like it is. I apprenticed as a janitor some time ago. You certainly must know what fallacies you're trying to get away with, but I certainly don't know why.


    Oleeb, I don't know how you could have stated it any clearer.

    1. The court ruled against the Bush arguments to withhold these visual materials.

    2. Obama is presenting the same argument as the Bush administration in not releasing the material.

    3. The court order stands.

    The choice Obama needs to make is to follow the Bush lead in defying a court order, or to comply with the court order. Period.

    You are astutely correct in identifying that central issue, and clearly taking us away from the noisy debate that acts like this is a political point. It is a legal point and thank you for centering the real crux of the issue.

    I recommended this article, and would have recommended it four more times to get to a Five Star rating! *****


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