Meme busted:U.S. is a systemically racist country

    California Sen. Kamala Harris Named 49th Vice President of the United States - Los Angeles Sentinel #LASentinel #KamalaHarris #BidenHarris

    — L.A. Watts Times (@LAWattsTimes) November 7, 2020



    Where even Titus draws the line:

    I thought systemic racism disappeared with Booker T Washington

    Then it disappeared again with Martin Luther King Jr.

    Surely it disappeared with Barack Obama

    Now it is gone after Kamala Harris


    Biden says there's "absolutely" systemic racism in law enforcement and beyond

    Edit to add:

     Not hijacking

    Simplying pointing out the words of the President-elect

    Former Vice President Joe Biden says there is "absolutely" systemic racism in law enforcement, but noted the problem is much broader than just law enforcement. Biden made the comments in an interview with "CBS Evening News" anchor and managing editor Norah O'Donnell in CBS News' primetime special "Justice for All."  

    "Do you believe there is systemic racism in law enforcement?" O'Donnell asked Biden in the exclusive interview.  

    "Absolutely," Biden responded. "But it's not just in law enforcement, it's across the board. It's in housing, it's in education, and it's in everything we do. It's real. It's genuine. It's serious. And it is — it is able to be dealt with. Look, not all law enforcement officers are racist; my lord, there are some really good, good cops out there. But the way in which it works right now is we've seen too many examples of it."

    My title was worded very precisely on purpose U.S. IS A SYSTEMICALLY RACIST COUNTRY 

    Racism of all kinds still exists allover the world and all kinds of places and institutions and in the hearts and minds of many individuals and groups.

    Two different things. 

    What I had to say is said in the original post.

    It is going to being increasingly difficult if not impossible to push the meme that this country is systemically racist.

    From the article

    "Do you believe there is systemic racism in law enforcement?" O'Donnell asked Biden in the exclusive interview.  

    "Absolutely," Biden responded. "But it's not just in law enforcement, it's across the board. It's in housing, it's in education, and it's in everything we do. It's real. It's genuine. It's serious. And it is — it is able to be dealt with. Look, not all law enforcement officers are racist; my lord, there are some really good, good cops out there. But the way in which it works right now is we've seen too many examples of it."

    He is addressing systemic racism 

    Where there's fire there's smoke...

    My title was worded very precisely on purpose U.S. IS A SYSTEMICALLY RACIST COUNTRY

    More precisely worded horsecrap on purpose.



    She knows that.

    Edit to add:

    She feels free to post about anything and anyone

    But she is afraid to discuss her posts.

    Welcome to the world of Donald Trump

    According to her worldview, Trump is not trying to suppress votes

    Lets just ignore that Trump wanted vote counts to stop.

    To state the obvious,Trump wanted to suppress votes not for him. That's Trumpist, not racist. He may be racist or not, but rigging the election to elect himself only proves his egotism over the law. Again, this should be obvious, but we're stuck dealing with the uninteresting every day.

    very well said, especially the last sentence.

    Here's a clue, something I've noticed about the way it works on the internets going back to the blogosphere and even IRC chat days.  A person starts a post. The person does not reply to every reply on that post, as a matter of fact, they don't reply to most of them. They may not even read all of them. They only reply to those replies that interest them. And then they move on to something else, a new topic.

    P.S. Here's another thing I've noticed. Sometimes people make friends this way, out of many replies, they pick out a few they like to continually discuss things with and interact only with those people, because they get something out of doing that and they don't with all those others. Sometimes they even start their own websites,.like Wolraich, Doctor Cleveland," Articleman" and Wolfrum. And while they welcome other people to comment and discuss, they themselves are only interested in discussing with others of their choice. And others are welcome to read their discussions but they aren't interested in talking to commenters unless they say something new and intriguing. Also, when things get boring for them-especially if most on the site tend to harp on the same thing over and over and over, and people they liked to talk to leave, they go elsewhere too.


    If a person makes a post, others should be free to reply.

    You overstate the democracy - it's a blog. If the comments become irrelevant or repetitive, the quality of the site goes down. Think of Trump talking over his opponent - muting him improved the quality of the debate - free to reply within certain bounds.

    Family member in the midwest mentioned to me the other day that he finds the difference between the quality of comments on NYTimes website astoundingly higher quality than Facebook. I go: um are you so naive to think that just happens by itself? They have full-time paid moderators vetting each and every comment and tending to each flagged "inappropriate" immediately! It's far from democracy.

    Oh. I thought it was selective breeding of NYT readers. I kind of believe in eugenics - was going to recommend cutting off stupid people's subscriptions, but maybe the moderators are handling that in their own way. Do they have a periodic summary of how the readership gene pool's doing?

    That's a rather ineffectual solution to the problem. If you truly believe in eugenics you need sterilization of the stupid people or at least killing their children

    These are NYTimes readers - i don't think they'd like that - might hurt readership.

    And one thing that makes Twitter so popular is that it has "block" and "mute" functions. Muted followers don't even know that the tweeter doesn't see what they are saying and wants it that way.

    What? I can't hear you. La-la-la-la....

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    Dave Chappelle hosted SNL on Saturday and these three minutes of his monologue were relatively serious, somewhat on this topic and somewhat more like Joe Biden's meme of stopping the hate/anger. I saw a lot of chatter on it on SNL twitter. For those who want to know what people are talking about, here it is:


    — Saturday Night Live - SNL (@nbcsnl) November 8, 2020

    I am posting this as a favor to those who would like to see it. It doesn't mean I am interested in discussing it or arguing about it, or even suggesting people need to watch it. I'm not! Not any of those things.

    I do think things that happen on SNL make news, sometimes quite important news, especially as regards culture change.

    Gonna try one more time.

    The wannabe immigrant to the U.S. (from Guyana or Ecuador or Mumbai, or take your pick of another country) sees a majority in the U.S. elect Obama to HEAD THE WHOLE SYSTEM for two terms and then sees Biden purposefully chose another person of color to help head THE WHOLE SYSTEM as an alternative to Trump and they see the majority of the country elect that team.

    Then they see people say the U.S. is a systemically racist country. This does not make sense to them. Those who say that look like lying spinners and/or eternal whiners who will never be satisfied. And they also sound nuts. (Or maybe they think it's a plot to convince immigrants so that they no longer want to come, keep the place where your kid can grow uip to lead the country for yourself?)

    THIS MEME IS BROKEN. Really stupid meme. Literally flies in the faces of Obama representing and heading the country for 8 years after being a Senator and Harris being a Atty. Gen of California, a Senator and now Vice President. Res ipsa loquitor. Unless you are ready to explain how Obama,. and Harris now, are both racists intent on keeping the country they lead systemically racist.

    Your language has to acknowledge and be proud of the progress. It's major in the scheme of things to anyone with common sense.

    Thank you, America. Our democracy has proved its resilience in electing Joe Biden

    By the Washington Post Editorial Board, Nov. 7

    [....] Mr. Biden and his running mate, California Sen. Kamala D. Harris, built a broad coalition of traditional Democratic voters and independents disgusted with Mr. Trump. They won the highest number of votes of any presidential ticket in history and will end with an impressive margin of victory and and strong showings in states in every region of the country.

    Instinctively optimistic, unwilling to write off any of his fellow Americans, not likely to be pushed around by hyper-partisans on either side, Mr. Biden is exceptionally qualified to heal a deeply divided nation. He won on a promise to unify the country and to address major problems that have been neglected or aggravated over the past four years. Voters should expect him to live up to his promises — and Senate Republicans, if they do retain their majority, should accept his open hand in a spirit of decency and cooperation. If the voters elected a divided government, they may have been asking for moderation, but they were not voting for stasis.

    Mr. Biden’s victory — and Mr. Trump’s defeat — is a testament to the resilience of American democracy. In other countries, at other times, bullies like Mr. Trump have succeeded in becoming strongmen by promising security from dangerous outsiders, demonizing cultural elites and sowing enough confusion and apathy that people failed to resist the slide into illiberalism. Mr. Trump tried all of these tactics. But Americans resisted. They did so in an overwhelming yet orderly fashion, at the ballot box, when it was their turn to have another say, despite the fact that Mr. Trump and his allies adopted a strategy of disenfranchisement when they realized they could not win fairly. They answered his four years of divisiveness by electing a woman — a woman of color — to be vice-president for the first time in the nation’s history. Citizens in unprecedented numbers stood in line for hours to vote, starting weeks before Election Day. State officials adhered to their responsibilities to ensure that people could cast ballots. Withstanding Mr. Trump’s spiteful and mendacious attacks on their integrity, they ensured that those votes would be counted.[....]

    America does have ethnic and racial Olympics, however:

    I don't understand why this considered like rocket science and has to be emphasized but here it is retweeted by Noah Smith:

    DOH you can't win any elections in America on the "Amerika sucks" ticket.

    And DOH AGAIN-immigrants "of color" who have become voting citizens don't appreciate being told they have made a stupid choice by coming here and becoming citizens of a  horrible country, maybe the greatest oppressor of minorities in history.

    That many end up voting for the party that doesn't humor people who say it's a racist country should be no surprise! Really DOH.

    more nuance for the dense:

    Part of the problem is certain axioms of contemporary progressive thought are just antithetical to broad Hispanic opinion: you just can't understand American Hispanics (many of whom fled disasters to be here) thinking that America is some disaster worth fleeing.

    — Antonio García Martínez (@antoniogm) November 12, 2020

    Going further, It's parochial (not say a teensy bit racist) to think that American Hispanics, many of whom have been living in the states *before they were states* reflexively identify with undocumented immigrants, and are rabidly pro-immigration in a sternly one-issue-voter way.

    — Antonio García Martínez (@antoniogm) November 12, 2020

    Plus Mexican-Americans may distinguish "Mexicans" from Guadalajara, Mexico D.F., Coahuila, Durango, Veracruz, Sonora, Yucatan, Chiapas, Jalisco, Baja.... Where do the yuppies live, where are they backwards farmers, where are they drug cartels, where's prime business, where are their beach bums, socialites and socialists...

    Very interesting sign on a Muslim's food truck in Portland; don't ignore the image of Statue of Liberty next to it, part of the package:

    Spotted this sign posted at a local food cart in downtown Portland. I'm sorry you feel that way about the Press, we will continue to do our best & improve everyday! #Pressefreiheit

    — Justin Yau (@PDocumentarians) November 12, 2020

    Photo Credit: @suzettesmith!!!!!

    — Justin Yau (@PDocumentarians) November 12, 2020

    smart guy just won re-election in a very swingy half-way upstate NY district filled with lots of whypipple (including plenty of Karen types in station wagons.) Tweets like this one is how he does it, I think:

    Oct. 3, 2019, Black household income is rising across the United States

    article with this graph:

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