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    What Obama said

    Barack Obama today (via Ben Smith at Politico):
    "I have said before and I will repeat again: People's families are off limits. And people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. ... And if I thought there was somebody in my campaign who was involved in something like that, they would be fired."

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    Good luck in this broken-server echo chamber


    You'll note I posted it only once.


    hahahah...no one in your campaign leaked this senator obama...it was being talked about all over alaska even before liberal bloggers caught wind of it...i would caution that obama shut up and i pray that any and everyone involved with the campaign shut up too... just continue hammering mccain on the issues that mccain has been ducking all along...

    mccain and his disaster of a vp is a train wreck all of its own making....it is crashing at every stop and we havent even suffered a full week of the assault yet...

    i feel sorry bristol, but no pity what so ever for mccain and sarah palin...if the tables were turned, no one would be as gracious towards obama, not even his so-called supporters...


    I meant that you will be ignored and out-double-posted.

    Nobody gives a shit about what Obama said.

    They are too scared by Palin to resist the temptation to cover her with smears.

    The last few days were just shameful, imo.


    I'm with you fellers.


    Maybe if somebody would actually hear Palin talk about an issue, we'd be able to talk about Palin and the issues.


    There is something exceptionally poignant about the server being so completely broken today.


    How in the world do you look at something like this:
    http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/the_palin_meltdown_in_slomo.php
    and conclude that people here are "scared" of Palin?

    Obama is up in recent polls. McCain is looking like a fool. Palin is careening off the track right before our eyes. It's fascinating and hilarious, and I just hope it doesn't end too soon. I want McCain to dig in his heels and defend her, personally, and defend and explain his selection of her, and then have to dump her in a few weeks.

    But more likely, I think, is that she won't make it to the end of this week, and the damage won't be all that great. McCain might even get a sympathy bounce out of it. But even so, it helps to illustrate just how incapable McCain is of making good well-considered decisions.

    It's been a feeding frenzy, and I agree with you that it's gone in some despicable directions when Palin's daughter has been brought into it. In a feeding frenzy the blood is in the water and anything that moves gets eaten. Everyone wants to sink their teeth into it before it's gone.

    It's Thomas Eagleton. It's Harriet Miers. It's Dan Quayle in the post-potatoe media frenzy.

    Sit back and enjoy the fireworks.


    I think the reaction to Palin from the left blogs has been hysterical, stupid and damaging.

    Instead of focusing on why this election is important and pushing the message from Obama's speech in Denver, this was turned into demonizing Palin.

    She is dismissed as a nobody, and yet the entire blogosphere is in convulsions over her.

    The stupid "was she vetted?" meme that Josh Marshall pushes is nothing but double-speak for "is she qualified". Who did we expect him to pick, John Kerry?

    No, we expected Romney and Pawlenty, so we were caught with our pants down.

    But NONE of the points raised against Palin so far rises to an Eagleton.

    The truth is simple: if we weren't scared shitless of her, we wouldn't waste all this time furiously digging dirt for oppo research.

    We're trying to turn her into Dan Quayle only to forget that Bush/Quayle won the election because the backlash was bigger than the smears.


    The national issue McCain's stupidity in picking Palin, because of what Palin has done and said about the issues facing her as governor.


    I think the reaction to Palin from the left blogs has been hysterical, stupid and damaging.

    Stupid, yes. Damaging, possibly. But I don't think it has much to do with being scared. It's just a stupid feeding frenzy.

    She is dismissed as a nobody, and yet the entire blogosphere is in convulsions over her.

    She's being "dismissed" as being a very poor choice for a running mate. Which she certainly seems to be. I think the whole thing is hilarious, and I look forward to it blowing up in McCain's face.

    The stupid "was she vetted?" meme that Josh Marshall pushes is nothing but double-speak for "is she qualified".

    No, actually the "was she vetted?" meme is about whether or not she was vetted. Because the way revelations about her are coming out minute by minute, either she wasn't vetted and McCain is stupid for not vetting her first, or she was vetted and McCain is even stupider for picking her.


    No, we expected Romney and Pawlenty, so we were caught with our pants down.

    In a pleasant way, yes. Romney or Pawlenty would have helped McCain. Palin may torpedo is candidacy.

    But NONE of the points raised against Palin so far rises to an Eagleton.

    An Eagleton? The media circus over Eagleton was based on things that shouldn't, in any rational world, have mattered.

    She's way above an Eagleton. She's way above a Quayle, who was in over his head and unfairly potatoe-ized in the media. She's a Harriet Miers, mostly. But the feeding frenzy is similar in all three cases.

    The truth is simple: if we weren't scared shitless of her, we wouldn't waste all this time furiously digging dirt for oppo research.

    Speak for yourself. People slow down to look at an accident on the side of the road. That's not because they're afraid the cars are going to blow up or something. It's morbid curiosity. Palin is self-destructing before our eyes, and McCain's rash, hotheaded mode of decision making is coming out into the open. That's good stuff.

    We're trying to turn her into Dan Quayle only to forget that Bush/Quayle won the election because the backlash was bigger than the smears.

    You may be right. He may win. But I'd rather have McCain running with a Palin than with a Romney.


    How does a guy who made the joke about Chelsea Clinton being so ugly because her father is Janet Reno get to make the claim that families are off limits? I swear the press will not stop working for John McCain. They would have to admit they have been wrong about him all this time. When you get to write the story, you never have to say you're sorry for being wrong.


    You misread the post.
    Barack Obama said this, not John McCain.


    Good for Obama! He is exactly right and every Democrat who is asked to comment should echo his sentiments before reminding listeners that there is but one question before the voters this November andthat is whether or not we can afford four more years of the economic catastrophe, incompetence, corruption and lawlessness that we have endured now for 8 long years? The answer is that we cannot.


    Lalo,
    Although I agree that there were attacks that crossed way over the line over this weekend I think that you are way off base on the "Vetting" question. See, this isn't really about Palin as much as it's about McCain and his so called "experience" & "judgment". It is generally recognized that your choice as VP is the first "presidential" decision that a candidate really has to make in public and while Obama picked a man that yes does help in politically is generally thought to be someone who would be a very capable and able leader if needed. While on the other hand McCain decided to roll the dice by gambling on a VP choice whom he barely new and hadn't even been vetted by his team with only a political goal in mind. She is on the ticket to help him win, not to help him govern and so this all does come back to hit McCain exactly where Obama hit him on Thursday night - "temperament & judgment".


    Part of the vetting process is to determine whether a particular individual is qualified. You want to take a deeper look at the potential candidate to see if the record is real, and whether the person can stand up to direct scrutiny. In a thorough vetting that should have taken place before printing up banners and parading her on TV, John McCain would have discovered that his new celebrity soulmate, Governor Palin, is not qualified and that her ability to withstand attack would be about as strong as a wet paper-tiger.

    John McCain and his friends are doubling down on the prospect of convincing America that she is qualified. I am quite happy.


    BTW, you do not have to be scared of someone to do oppo-research. Any responsible politician would do oppo-research even if the opponent is decidedly weak. Additionally, the people who support a candidate should be able to flex their muscles by aiding in the research.

    Barack Obama asked us to believe in our own ability to bring about change. He asked us to take a stake in his campaign. His supporters are now doing so. Maybe some efforts are misguided from time to time, but I believe that we generally do more good than harm. Also, when he asks us to back off certain lines of attack, I have found that those I am in contact with, particularly on blogs, are more than willing to do so.


    McCain losing the election -- which seems increasingly likely now -- is not the same thing as Obama winning.
    For Obama to win and be able to deliver, this election has to be about issues of economic and social justice, peace, human rights and civil liberties, and building the movement and informed electorate that will be necessary for an Obama administration to be able to deliver on the change we need.
    I'm troubled by all of the postings and news here and in the rest of the media focused on Sarah Palin. If we ally and empower the National Enquirer types, it is possible that the republicans will win the election by losing, perpetuating the politics that we so desperately need to change.


    Yet one more example of how classy Obama is. And what really thrills me? The press covered it (ie, his being classy)!


    We're trying to turn her into Dan Quayle only to forget that Bush/Quayle won the election because the backlash was bigger than the smears

    I saw some writer add an interesting point to that the other day: that virtually everyone agreed that Lloyd Bentsen blew Dan Quayle out of the water in the vice-presidential debate. (That was the one with "I knew John Kennedy and you're no John Kennedy," remember?) And Bush/Quayle still won.


    Obama's comments were straight on: simple; forceful; quickly composed---clearly what he honestly believes. I was stirred by what he said (yes, shaken and stirred), and I believe that he has never appeared to such advantage---more the poised executive---than when he defended his rival's children. If the McCain camp wants to know what appeals to women, this is it: this attitude of old-fashioned chivalry deriving from a true moral code.

    I do believe that the Bristol Palin pregnancy is a story. It would be a story even if it were downplayed (as it has been) in the mainstream media.

    Women who are ambitious for their children find Sarah Palin quite interesting, I think. It would surprise me if many outside the Religious Right view her as an outstanding, dedicated mother. Does she have to be an especially good mother? Yes, since she chose to have five children, she does.


    Obama's comments were straight on: simple; forceful; quickly composed---clearly what he honestly believes. I was stirred by what he said (yes, shaken and stirred), and I believe that he has never appeared to such advantage---more the poised executive---than when he defended his rival's children. If the McCain camp wants to know what appeals to women, this is it: this attitude of old-fashioned chivalry deriving from a true moral code.

    I do believe that the Bristol Palin pregnancy is a story. It would be a story even if it were downplayed (as it has been) in the mainstream media.

    Women who are ambitious for their children find Sarah Palin quite interesting, I think. It would surprise me if many outside the Religious Right view her as an outstanding, dedicated mother. Does she have to be an especially good mother? Yes, since she chose to have five children, she does.


    She wasn't vetted, she isn't qualified, and we aren't scared shitless of her.

    Barack is showing that he's a leader, as more Americans have seen. His quote is on the money. No one can control or is responsible to control, their wingnuts.

    I really hope she stays on the ticket. She turns a 1.5-2 point win into a 6 point win. The only "echo chamber" function fulfilled in the discussion of Palin is the fantasists who thought Obama was dead in March, dead in May, behind Friday, etc. She seems to be a nice person, and amen to the backlash against personal discussions of her, but she has no business on a national ticket.


    My god you must write the best briefs in creation. Pow! And I don't mean prisoner of war.


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