• You know what O-K, some Sanders supporters may not vote for her no matter what

      Exactly. That's why I don't think she should suck up to a loser. The most liberal block of voters are democratic primary voters. Sanders lost with those voters by a far greater margin than Hillary...

      by ocean-kat 3 hours 41 min ago in Whither Sanders supporters?
    • She has over 12 million votes , 3 million more than your favorite. People like her, even if you dont. Grow up. Its just an election - these happen every 4 years, and disappointment is one of the likely outcomes. She's won primaries in the northeast, south, midwest and west, from 16 to 30+%...

      by PeraclesPlease 3 hours 44 min ago in Whither Sanders supporters?
    • Given her record, without more, this is understandable.  There is more, though, she'll be running against somebody even worse and as bad as Clinton's record suggests she'll be, she might not be that bad. 

      Hal, you really need to grow up.  Not expecting it, just...

      by CVille Dem 3 hours 52 min ago in Whither Sanders supporters?
    • Sorry, I earlier had the impression you were out of high school?

      by PeraclesPlease 4 hours 54 sec ago in Whither Sanders supporters?
    • I see another positive from this.  The 2012 and 2014 elections saw Democratic candidates running away from the President (not even admitting that they voted for him in some cases).  They were afraid to defend the ACA, and gave absolutely NO ONE a reason to get off the sofa and vote.

      From...

      by CVille Dem 4 hours 5 min ago in Jane plays victim card
    • You said she wouldnt raise the cap on Social Security; she said she might, 3 months ago. Go argue with Time Magazine.

    • Folders full of Tubmans?

    • You know what O-K, some Sanders supporters may not vote for her no matter what.  Given her record, without more, this is understandable.  There is more, though, she'll be running against somebody even worse and as bad as Clinton's record suggests she'll be, she might not be that bad.  Also, her...

      by Hal Ginsberg 4 hours 24 min ago in Whither Sanders supporters?
    • Sanders most hard core supporters will only be satisfied if Hillary embraces enough of the losers positions that she's so far to the left that she will be as big a loser in the general as Sanders was in the primary.

      by ocean-kat 4 hours 46 min ago in Whither Sanders supporters?
    • The Sanders campaign theory is that if independents could have voted in all the democratic primaries he would have won. You've demolished that case pretty well. But is there a positive case for allowing independents to vote in democratic primaries absent a Sanders campaign?

      Independents...

      by ocean-kat 4 hours 58 min ago in Jane plays victim card
    • I'm with you to a point Ramona.  Clinton won.  She will be better than the Republican alternative and only she or the Republican will be the next President barring, as I wrote earlier, something unforeseeable or tragedy.  But the other side of the coin is that Clinton could lose the general...

      by Hal Ginsberg 5 hours 29 min ago in Whither Sanders supporters?
    • Huh?  Whom am I trying to persuade?  I'm describing the situation.  You are free to see things differently.  If you do, perhaps you can provide details that support your alternative view of reality.  "A couple of ways" to keep social security solvent including "potential[ly]...

      by Hal Ginsberg 5 hours 39 min ago in Whither Sanders supporters?
    • Well I forgot to get his mama's maiden name as it were as well as the name of his favorite puppy.

      But this is all a work in progress?

      And, anyway, I have all these Tubmans just sitting on the living room floor drying out so to speak.

      Tubman had no problems with alcohol as...

    • Hmmm, that could be tough - his birth certificate just has an X on it, and anyone from his neck of the woods lucky enough to have a license had it taken away anyway. But he can probably dig up someone's credit card. Visa or Mastercard?

    • Q, you just got to me at the perfect time.

      Tubman just came off my hot presses even before issue; and what is the issue? But I have the issue.

      Just give me your credit card number and DOB and DL and we shall take care of this in an inordinate period of time!

    • Rules are rules.

      Hell, the popular vote cannot even elect a President.

      I like Sanders. But even at my age I feel Bernie AND Hillary are too damned old--so I am an ageist.

      We need younger blood in this party so four or eight years from now I hope we find some.

      It...

      by Richard Day 8 hours 42 min ago in Jane plays victim card
    • Nate Silver notes that Hillary's delegate lead would triple under GOP rules. Is that what Jane wants? Of course Donald is winning when no one thought he would - it's hard to see why he'd be...

      by PeraclesPlease 11 hours 31 min ago in Jane plays victim card
    • Nice, Hal - you lose the election and go into negotiations to try to salvage your platform - using terms like "lickspittles" and "sycophants". Expect to persuade lots of people that way.

      Re: social security & "she won't do it", from January:

      “We do have to extend...

      by PeraclesPlease 11 hours 41 min ago in Whither Sanders supporters?
    • If Hillary gets the nomination, she will have to do quite a bit more on our issues to get votes from us. This is because we are not asking and our movement is here to stay. 

      I wonder how the Sanders people think their ideas will be implemented under a Trump...

      by Ramona 12 hours 45 min ago in Whither Sanders supporters?
    • "If Hillary gets the nomination, she will have to do quite a bit more on our issues to get votes from us."

      I wouldn't hold my breath momoe.  Clinton is apparently planning to take a "hard line" with us.  Her handlers, surrogates, lickspittles, acolytes, coordinators, and sycophants claim...

      by Hal Ginsberg 12 hours 48 min ago in Whither Sanders supporters?

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