MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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By Michael Crowley @ Politico.com, April 7
Obama administration officials applauded American action against Assad's regime, even as they continue to doubt the man who approved it.
[....] One longtime proponent of military action against Assad is former Secretary of State John Kerry, who was “absolutely supportive” of Trump’s strike and “gratified to see that it happened quickly,” according to a person close to the former diplomat.
Kerry is watching to see whether more strikes might be coming, this person said, who added that Kerry “believes if executed correctly and clearly, [military action] can help reenergize the diplomatic channel” to produce a peace deal [....]
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Trump’s Support From Democrats on Syria (includes Hillary's Thurs. statements & link)
Opposition leaders have criticized the president’s approval process, but not his military action itself.
By Clare Foran @ The Atlantic, April 7
by artappraiser on Sat, 04/08/2017 - 11:22pm
Some news outlets reported that the town that Assad gassed was bombed by Russian jets despite the US rocket attack. There is no military solution to Syria. The Russians did get Assad to remove his chemical weapons. None of the Syrian rebels are a good choice for Syrian support. The rockets accomplished nothing.
Media loved Trumps missile attack, saying that it made him Presidential. Van Jones, among others, called Trump Presidential after his speech to Congress. A few days later, Trump tweeted his tin foil hat delusion that Obama targeted the Trump campaign. Trump is not normal. Every move that Trump makes should be questioned.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 04/09/2017 - 9:30am
This piece at The Atlantic is good on the pros and cons of this type of action
When Do Limited Strikes 'Work'?
Micah Zenko explains the logic of Trump’s Syria intervention—and its chances of success
Excerprts:
by artappraiser on Sun, 04/09/2017 - 9:47am
A reminder that Trump has given CIA the authority to do drone strikes that Obama took away.
I am starting to see a pattern similar to Bill Clinton, who loathed to use any boots on the ground, but did not have any qualms about use of missiles or even things like assassination in certain circumstances.
Obama I see as a little different, one could say he summarized his own attitude quite well when he said in his first campaign that he was not against all wars, just stupid wars. He considered everything, all options, and those who believe in American exceptionalist power might say considered things to a fault Even though Obama could speak American exceptionalism with the best of them.
by artappraiser on Sun, 04/09/2017 - 10:12am
That's a pretty simplistic similarity. Clinton didn't spend a ton of time on diplomacy before any strikes? Remember the Dayton Accords, the days of negotiation leading up to Kosovo, the *inaction* in Rwanda, the years of Iraq overflights and UN wheedling before the Iraq strike, etc, etc, and (most?) everything was with international cooperation.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 04/09/2017 - 11:45am
Also, Peter Beinart points out it is a conventional approach, not radical. That it even might be said to be conventional as to being early in a presidency. Hence reactions in general are what one might expect: moderates approve, far left and far right doesn't.
by artappraiser on Sun, 04/09/2017 - 9:55am
rmrd
re: There is no military solution to Syria
I've seen you say this several times on related threads. Who are you arguing with? I don't see any of these people saying that there is. This strike was about use of chemical weapons.
Probably the closest to saying that there is a military solution is Hillary as she is suggesting limiting the air power. As if once you do that, no one involved can get access to air power. The problem with that is: other countries could then aid with their air power. I.E., Saudis, Iran, Russia, the U.S., Nato, Turkey, France....
by artappraiser on Sun, 04/09/2017 - 10:22am
Let me amend
There is no solution to Syria.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 04/09/2017 - 10:36am
the default choice of isolationism towards the whole thing, without any enforcement of rules of war, given the viciousness of several of the parties involved, gets you this: one of the biggest flood of refugees the world has ever seen, destabilizing the politics of many countries.
The U.N. was as its wit's end on the Syrian refugee crisis several years ago already.
And then you basically have an empty country sitting in the Mideast....
by artappraiser on Sun, 04/09/2017 - 11:00am
Comes to mind that a refugee flood is the most potent weapon to get other countries to intervene: see Kosovo after years of vicious slaughter in former Yugoslavia.
Especially now that there is no longer a New Colossus open door with plenty of room. Even Australia won't take just anyone in mass quantities any more.
by artappraiser on Sun, 04/09/2017 - 11:23am
I think in Kosovo the big refugee rush happened after, in *response* to US bombing threats, in which Milosevic the fox surprised us by uprooting all the Kosovar civilians and sent them packing for the borders.
But our ability to leave millions of refugees in another country, not resolving the issue for decades, makes taking in new refugees a rather poison pill.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/10/2017 - 6:01am
The area that was gassed is now being bombed. Chemical weapons are not used. Before the chemical attack, there were 11 million Syrian refugees. Over 13 million within Syria needed aid. What benefit did these Syrians gain by enforcing the rule of war?
http://syrianrefugees.eu/
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 04/09/2017 - 11:39am
Chemical weapons are an extremely low cost way of causing mass casualties and apparently have a special terror-inducing feature to boot. There is something to be said for drawing a line at their use. I don't think it is completely arbitrary. If the west decides to indicate that parties every low-intensity conflict in developing countries can use chemical weapons without consequences, then that is going to make the world a much more dangerous place.
by Obey on Mon, 04/10/2017 - 11:11am
Chemical weapons are heinous. I simply don't trust Trump. The Russians got a heads up on the airfield attack. They did not object to bombing the airfield despite the fact that Putin says Assad had nothing to do with the Sarin attack. Russians now say they are fortifying air defenses. The Tomahawks were launched from ships. I think we are being played for fools.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 04/10/2017 - 11:53am
Chemical weapons are an extremely low cost way of putting yourself and country on the blacklist/enemy list above every rogue state in the world, even above nuke producers since those are invariably bluffing about using their devices, while chemical use is common enough and abhorred.
The only reason I could see Assad using them is if he already thought the greater powers were going to attempt regime change and this was his way of telling them it would get quite ugly. But the sequence of events appears quite the opposite.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/10/2017 - 11:48am
Alt-right who feel betrayed, also according to The Atlantic, include Richard Spencer, Mike Cernovich, Milo Yiannopoulos and Anne Coulter.
by artappraiser on Sun, 04/09/2017 - 9:39am
Steve Coll @ The New Yorker labels it "confusing" and says: If President Trump broadens his aims against Assad, he will enter the very morass that Candidate Trump warned against.
by artappraiser on Sun, 04/09/2017 - 1:33pm
by artappraiser on Sun, 04/09/2017 - 10:38am
by artappraiser on Sun, 04/09/2017 - 1:43pm
Trump tweets the reason the runway in Syria was not hit, @ ABC News
by artappraiser on Sun, 04/09/2017 - 3:11pm
McCain: Trump administration 'partially to blame' for Syrian chemical attack
By POLITICO Staff, 04/09
by artappraiser on Sun, 04/09/2017 - 3:26pm
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/10/2017 - 5:44am