MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE by Michael Wolraich Order today at Barnes & Noble / Amazon / Books-A-Million / Bookshop |
Trump’s first year in office revived an age-old debate about why some people choose race over class—and how far they will go to protect the system.
By Joshua Zeitz for "How Trump Changed History" series @ Politico Magazine, Dec 31
[....] This Politico Magazine series, to be published in three installments over the next few weeks, will look at three historical debates that simmered on low heat for years, until the historic presidential election of November 2016 brought them back to a boil. These debates are foundational. They concern race and identity. National character. The dark side of populism. They drive at the core meaning of American citizenship.
The first in this series, perhaps the most fundamental, centers around the white working class. Are working-class white voters shooting themselves in the foot by making common cause with a political movement that is fundamentally inimical to their economic self-interest? [....]
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If we look at the little it takes to buy off say a politician, buying off a white worker, "poor" or not quite poor, it's kind of obvious that many whites are making a very pronounced choice between what the article calls "intangible" benefits. There's a comfort zone of culture that's being maintained. I've seen it in other countries, where "we may be dirt poor, but at least we're white".
Additionally, the Democrats/left have been tone deaf on immigration for a long time. Immigration is not a right. It's a drain on public resources. It has an effect on local cultures in a very pronounced way. We all know water is good, but not in the quantities that 3 hurricanes last fall brought. Yet anyone asking for an actual immigration policy from the left would be disappointed - it was simply "as many as we can get to replace you racist white crackers", or roughly to that effect. Yes, more concern for Dreamers & migrants than for out-of-work crackers on opioids. The latter apparently created their own problems, whereas we apparently created much of the lawlessness and poverty and corruption south of the border as well - you start to recognize the "heads I win, tails you lose" logic in all of this. It was only post-9/11 when Bush started acting like the biggest asshole and blocking & sending back immigrants that the biggest threat of sustained legal and illegal Mexican & Central American immigration subsided, but not before the trend was in.
As it's all euphemistically put, America will be majority "people of color" by 2044. What it really means is "Mexican and Central American population growth will make most of America look like Vegas by 2060". Like, who decided this? what the fuck, I have a Spanish degree, from interest in culture and language and literature, including the leftover and shifting Spanish influence in the US, but I figured 1 1/2 continents are Spanish- and Portuguese- speaking, and never imagined *THE MOST POINTED AND SUCCESSFUL US GOVERNMENT POLICY OF MY LIFETIME WOULD BE THE HISPANIFICATION OF THE US*. That's right, we often can't do anything else right, can't get reasonable legislation to fix problems like healthcare and pollution and police violence through Congress, and blow trillions on stupid self-defeating wars, but through it all bilaterally, we are turning "whites" into a minority - which overall actually means not more black power, not a lot more Indians or Japanese or Egyptians or Lesothans or Armenians - it means that in the age of rocket ships and airplanes, the only real measure of who should make up the future of America as our birthrate stagnates is "who's immediately to the south of us", meaning mostly 2 or 3 countries. They couldn't have done better if they *planned* on invading.
And it's even more amusing and annoying to hear the liberal rationalizations of how the mass importation of a race that colonized and butchered and raped and enslaved (80% of American slavery in the Americas was in Latin America) and exploited the local people over centuries and even now largely lives in a morass of ineffective poverty and corruption is somehow a great leap forward over these exploitive racist white people (which lumps together Irish and Estonians and Italians and Dutch and Greeks and Swiss and Andorrans and Russians and Albanians and Slovenians and Moldovans and Norwegians and Jews and Maltans - but that's not racist - all those white people look and act the same, no?).
Okay, the up side is Hispanics coming to the US often simply end up acting "like other Americans", which is probably true enough if you're from California or Nevada or New York or even Oregon and Chicago, but if you're from Tennessee or Ohio or Nebraska, nope, that assimilation is a lot lot slower. Did anyone fucking think a moment about this in all these decades? Who approved this? Look at that southeast & Atlantic boardwalk trend in the map below and think of how the people there are reacting to the changes.
And if you start looking at side related issues like education, why is out-of-state college tuition like $30K/year for many *state* schools, not counting *living expenses*? (yes, it's 2018 - going to school across a state border is rather obvious since we don't stay put in 1 state for life like before). How many recently arrived "people of color" are getting what percent of federal & state educational aid at the expense of existing/established US families of whatever color? [yes, that's right - existing black and Asian families are also impacted by the limited resources]. Is it so hard to see that this demographic/immigration carelessness creates a huge Us vs. Them fracture in our society, which should at least be broached publicly in a sane, non-condemning way?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 01/02/2018 - 5:58am
I agree with your focus on immigration, as to the political arena, that if there is to be emphasis on the whole "white working class" thing that if the Dems wanted to work on that demographic, or even the bigger swing voter thing, they would find it more fruitful to focus there. As opposed to the way it's being done by Hal here on Dagblog or many Bernistas in general, trying to unify as regards reviving worker power and protectionism on trade.
I see it in polls. I readily admit I look for it in polls because I'm doing confirmation bias from knowing liberals from all those areas on your map. Liberals I would expect to think like I do living in NYC, where immigrants are a good thing, where for centuries we revive and thrive on the new ones. And they never do, not a one. They are all angry about immigration, they often shock me about how angry they are. Because they are liberal people in almost every other sense. And I even know some who fell prey to Trump campaign on this issue. To this day, some will still support him on this one thing.
To my eyes, it is the issue that cuts across party lines and loyalties and across the liberal/conservative spectrum. I think much more so than the whole working class thing. Because it cuts across classes too. And even to some extent in proud immigrant families, the second or third generation often shows signs of being less tolerant towards any more newbies, I see a tendency to want to shut some doors behind their parents.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/02/2018 - 3:36pm
revisiting the article, I see something in the section on Roediger's 1991 book that I think applies to anxieties involving immigrants and other things. One thing he focuses on is the transition from types of work which happened concurrent with civil war. It's almost like we are now experiencing the opposite transition, going back to free agent status from regimented. Which has new anxieties, different anxieties. Going back to the mythic idyllic pre-industrial state of "freedom" (i.e., pioneers, individual free agents) not such fun as one imagined. And where you still compete with immigrants, even immigrant doctors and immigrant software technicians as well as immigrant gardeners. Meanwhile, Trump in MAGA was and still is definitely selling the big industrial corporation (northern) jobs, an orderly existence where you give one shift of your daily life working and suffering under the man for sufficient pay , one other shift for sleep, the final third of your daily existence is "free" for leisure, where you don't have anxieties:
Edit to add: Somehow I suspect the real answer is not in MAGA jobs! Neither the Trump version nor the Bernie version. I suspect the part of the "white working class" that falls for that is the delusional part. I also suspect that they don't all think like that, but know better. I think that is part of the reason for the existential pain exhibited in opoid addiction for those despairing of the brave new world, that they don't have the strength or ability, or the opportunities that they think urban minorities either get over them, and also for a lot of immigrant anger, where they think resources are being used for assimilation that could better go for transitional help to the brave new world.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/02/2018 - 5:34pm
Where in the article does it indicate that the white working class did not operate in tribal fashion? The first paragraph ends with whites addressing their anxiety by drawing a line between black and white. The second paragraph notes that the line drawn continued even when whites were not in direct competition with whites. When you get the whites to give up their tribalism, I’ll give up mine.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/02/2018 - 5:38pm
That's the history. You want to repeat it in the future?
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/02/2018 - 5:40pm
AA, that is the present. Donald Trump was elected. Whites would have elected Roy Moore.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/02/2018 - 5:44pm
pp,
just came across this interesting phenomena: gossip column source for Page Six (arm of NYPost, arm of Fox News world) feels the need to glump together Bernie Sanders, BLM supporters and Mueller jury into one identical or indivisible enemy
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/02/2018 - 6:41pm
Spectrum disorder - lacking all specificity.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 01/02/2018 - 7:27pm
I don't call on Democrats to propose aggressive anti-immigration legislation and to adopt anti-immigrant rhetoric because I believe such laws and language are immoral and divide the 99% many of whom are immigrants or have close ties to immigrants or folks who want to immigrate.
by HSG on Tue, 01/02/2018 - 8:17pm
Of interest on the political side of immigration, from Jeffrey Goldberg's Atlantic interview with Trump-hating conservative Jonah Goldberg that I just posted a link to at the end of this thread:
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/02/2018 - 8:20pm
When the white working class feels that they are suffering, minorities need to fear the reaction. Trump and his cohorts are racists. It is easy for the white working class to overlook this fact. When economic fears are used to explain the votes of the white working class, those explanations fall on deaf ears in the black community. It is not selfish to promote programs that benefit the black community, in fact it is the most rational response.. Forming coalitions with other outsiders like Latinos, Asians, LGBTQ, etc. is one way to counter the white vote. Trump got the majority white vote in a myriad of categories. This will be an interesting series. The observations of the white working class voting behavior are well known, but seeing them laid out in print saddens me.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/02/2018 - 9:59am
in fact it is the most rational response.
To me, it doesn't sound rational, it sounds like reinforcement of the tribalism. The Hatfields vs. McCoys scenario. Where one is expressing the desire for the tribalism to continue for eternity. Or, in more bluntly in this case: a preference to continue racial segregation. Working from a racist presumption that you can tell what people want or need from the color of their skin, reinforcing racism to continue.
It is one thing for a pollster or marketer to pick out and see these trends by color of skin and report on them and to try to understand why they are there. It is another thing to proactively say you want them to continue, that you want the war between races to continue.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/02/2018 - 12:45pm
p.s. By going in this direction, one is essentially doing the same thing that racist gerrymanderers are, voting blocs by race. Because people of a certain color all happen to live in the same neighborhood, because racial integration has not happened in an area, they could pick it out. In the future, as demographics get more complicated because of the internet, they can move on to other tribes, tribes by policy preferences, not color of skin.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/02/2018 - 12:50pm
If you really look at internet social media, you see the same racial divisions that you see in offline society. The interpretation of stories on the Root differs from that at many HuffPost discussions as one example. We are not post-racial. It is the pretense that we are post-racial that gives racism room to grow.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/02/2018 - 5:44pm
@ The Atlantic today, related. For Trump activists on college campuses, it does appear to be about class, MAGA, immigrants, getting rid of P.C, and anti-establishment GOP.:
The Future of Trumpism Is on Campus
At colleges across the country, young supporters of the president are demanding that College Republicans fall into line.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/02/2018 - 7:43pm
Also published at TheAtlantic.com shortly thereafter: an interview with conservative Jonah Goldberg by Jeffrey Goldberg, who is still braying forth on the anti-Trump front oh woe is us, what he has done to us:
Trump's Tweets Are a 'Narnian Wardrobe to His Lizard Brain'
A conversation with the writer Jonah Goldberg about dysfunction on the right and why the president of the United States can’t stop tweeting about Hillary Clinton.
Well that's it, I guess it's long past time I stop thinking of him as a young Republican.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/02/2018 - 8:04pm