MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE by Michael Wolraich Order today at Barnes & Noble / Amazon / Books-A-Million / Bookshop |
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by artappraiser on Mon, 03/25/2019 - 2:07pm
So Republicans can complain about Dems using anti-Semitic tropes, yet stand firmly behind a president who used overt ugly anti-Semitic attack ads like the one below and supported anti-Semitic right wing hate groups - consequences apparently only apply to Democrats who are all too willing to fall on a sword.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 03/25/2019 - 2:49pm
Thomas Friedman has an interesting opinion article in the NYT. Trump is supporting Netanyahu. That support creates problems.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/25/opinion/trump-congress-israel.html
This might not be a win for the GOP.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 03/25/2019 - 2:25pm
Since you're offering opinions from centrist economic policy type thinkers about leftist politicians who happen to be anti-Israel:
by artappraiser on Mon, 03/25/2019 - 2:47pm
Just for fun I googled "ilhan omar corbyn" got "About 595,000 results". Didn't click on anything but one can already see the prep work that has gone into this meme by serious conservative media and also a lot of noting the comparison in main MSM news.
I'm sorry, her naive trolling did tremendous damage to her and to the party which is very hard to undo. You don't troll tropish on this unless you want it to dog you forever.
You can do the whattaboutism all you want, is not going to convince me any different...i.e., the monster Steve King. Right! Were you going after the monster designation among swings, too? Is that what you really wanted? Monster designation?
As a politician, you don't troll on IP, period. It is like the mega tribal mega culture wars issue of all times. If you don't follow the rule: nuance or nothing, all you get is counter productive flak back, ensuring continual demonization on all sides, mimicking how they actually live over there in IP land...
by artappraiser on Mon, 03/25/2019 - 3:22pm
as for over there, I see that the classic real life, as opposed to verbal, tit-for-tat bomb throwing is going on over there. It's traditional, it's election time, after all:
by artappraiser on Mon, 03/25/2019 - 3:34pm
There is no evidence that Omar’s comments had an impact on Jewish voters in the United States according to Polifact
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/mar/14/donald-trump-says-jews-are-leaving-democratic-part/
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 03/25/2019 - 3:36pm
Dupe deleted
by artappraiser on Mon, 03/25/2019 - 2:48pm
Leave us dupes alone! we may be easy to fool, but we serve a purpose. Somehow. This is genocide!
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 03/25/2019 - 2:55pm
"When that happens"? They are already ruling the Palestinians and systematically denying them rights.
by Aaron Carine on Tue, 03/26/2019 - 8:48pm
Delving a bit more into the weeds of Thrush's article after a re-read. I see about factions of Dem political peeps on this topic that J-Street is against the one House bill, and Steny Hoyer is pro, and both AIPAC and the Anti-Defamation League are pro, and then there's this name, David Krone:
And I looked up Krone, and before he worked for Reid, he had a lot of lobbying jobs, but none of lobbying was related to Israel stuff.
And that he is 1/2 of a "political power couple" that includes Alyssa Mastromonaco who took the position of Chief Operating Officer at Vice Media in January 2015 and which moved to the most expensive zip code in NYC in 2015
And here is a Harry-Reid-era WaPo Politics bio entry on "Why He Matters" which speaks of his wealth, among other things
And here is a NYTimes April 2015 piece saying he's quietly leaving the Reid job and future plans unknown.
So it's kind of a mystery what he's doing now. Anybody else got a clue?
by artappraiser on Mon, 03/25/2019 - 6:11pm
What does it mean to be a citizen of a country? Is it merely an article of convenience? I've read that during the Iraq war some American citizens with dual citizenship with Canada would identify as Canadians to avoid the backlash against Americans over the war. Some Americans would travel with backpacks with Canadian symbols and flags to attempt to appear Canadian even when they weren't Canadian citizens. Is citizenship as meaningless as that?
All immigrants must swear an oath of citizenship to the US to become ciitzens.
That's a rather comprehensive and severe oath. When I joined the Army I had to swear an oath of enlistment. Frankly I barely paid attention to it. I just mouthed the words. In fact since it was done in a group of about 20 people some of the time I didn't even mouth the words. I just flapped my jaw for appearances' sake. Is that what immigrants do with the oath of citizenship?
There are quite a number of Americans with dual citizenship with other countries. Canada, Saudi Arabia, Israel etc. There are several dozen congress members and senators with dual citizenship with Israel. How is that not a conflict of interest? How is that not dual loyalty? Or is citizenship meaningless?
by ocean-kat on Mon, 03/25/2019 - 7:19pm
Great re-direct to big picture. I ain't got no answers for ya, though, except for "common good" theory and the E Pluribus Unum theory of new world countries formed from Enlightenment ideas. Especially not in a globalizing world where people afraid of individualism either cling to old tribalism or create new tribalism in the face of nationhood breaking down. Though I've loathed the "my country right or wrong" set since I was a teenybopper, I still don't see anything wrong with being patriotic to an ideal rather than to genetics or tribe. So I guess I'd say if you hold a passport for two countries and the ideals of each are contradictory, theoretically I've got a problem with that. Particulars and actualities are a different story, though, as each citizen does not have the ability to affect policy that is employed at any point in time.
by artappraiser on Mon, 03/25/2019 - 8:15pm
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 03/26/2019 - 4:06pm
Schumer pointed out the obvious at AIPAC, Israel has bipartisan support. From Rubin in the WaPo:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/26/israel-schumer-rises-occaision/?utm_term=.fd501e0e37b3
Like, Friedman, Rubin notes the problem with Netanyahu
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 03/26/2019 - 4:27pm
One poll I saw said that three-quarters of American Jews under 36 are unsympathetic to the Netanyahu government, and a number are unhappy with Israel being a Jewish state rather than the state of all her citizens.
by Aaron Carine on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 6:13am
I imagine the "Jewish state" question is more complex than that - I'd be fine with a Jewish state if they hadn't built it where there were other people. I can also sympathize that Jews being such a magnet for world hate, continuing a Jewish state is important in not becoming a minority, even as the idea of treating non-Jews not just as lesser citizens but lesser beings is anathema. I'm a bit older (and not Jewish) but can imagine I track pretty close to the majority sentiment , it ain't that tough, except it is.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 7:06am
It's complicated because religions are usually a choice, not an ethnicity you were born with and can't change. It goes to Fukuyama's idea of tribalism vs. a national creed of choice. Virulent anti-Semitism became genetically based in the 19th and 20th centuries and a lot of the world supported the creation of Israel because that happened. But unfortunately, to continue the state as an ethnically tribal one, rather than basing it on a national creed (in this case, a creed that would include a religion you'd have to convert to) flies in the face of global values, it reinforces the ethnic cleansing thing. Genetic tribalism always causes this conundrum. Not to say that religious war isn't a nasty thing, too. But it's a creed, a choice. Convert if you want to be a citizen, or go find another country is a different thing, is tribal by choice, a national creed. Once you think of it that way, it becomes easier to see the problem: there really is no difference between a U.S. Constitution that provides for freedom of religion and a Pakistani one that says it's a Muslim state.
by artappraiser on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 12:49pm
Most religions are a choice but Judaism has mostly incorporated genetics into it's religion. It's not just outsiders that made the distinction and forced it on Jews. If one is not born into the religion it's extremely hard to convert. If one is born into it it's automatic. I'm not trying to make an invidious comparison, just an observation. I don't care how religions decide who can be members. But your comment doesn't fit how Judaism mostly defines itself.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 1:17pm
Yes. But I think that the world picking up on that and reinforcing it in the 19th and 20th centuries is why we are at where we are at. I.E. Jews were assimilating in places like Germany....they were proud German citizens of generations standing...and many were rejecting the combination of the ethnicity with the religion. But the trajectory of amping up the anti-Semitism wouldn't let that continue to develop.
by artappraiser on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 1:34pm
Haaretz.com, a month ago:
Victor Klemperer, in his 1000+ page diary on life under the 3rd Reich, mentioned how he believed Zionism mirrored Nazi racial politics.
by NCD on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 1:48pm
I don't really know how wide spread the disagreements are between various Jewish factions but it's not just the worst enemies that claimed Judaism is about race and blood. My moderate Jewish relatives were clear that they considered my dad Jewish because his mother was Jewish even though he wasn't raised Jewish, never went to synagogue, and joined the Luthern church of my mother. I was not Jewish because my mother was a Luthern. The maternal blood line was the determining factor informing their opinions.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 2:33pm
I suspect attitudes are going to change with the next generations in a lot of places, not just the U.S., because a lot of the Sunni states are quitting with the feeding of anti-Semitism as a useful distraction from their own problems. For good or ill there's a lessening of using the Palestinian cause as a cri di coeur. What happened? Syria for one thing. Massive reshaping of the mideast dynamic.Iran power grab, with Russia's help. ISIS the catalyst, not to mention results of neo-con adventure in Iraq. Israel is just one little country. I.E., Jordan's got a real big Syrian refugee problem...to paraphrase Rick in Casablanca the problems of Palestine don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world.
by artappraiser on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 1:10pm
You might like this history book "Tragedy and Hope" by Carroll Quigley that Clinton used to rave about, referring to 4 Empires - this being finally the taming of the 3rd, the Chinese still a wildcard, the Soviet turned Russian and still a thorn but not much of an Empire.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 1:21pm
Thanks for the recommend.
by artappraiser on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 1:37pm
Politically, there is zero down side to her bashing Netanyahu, actually, it is what she should have done in the first place. Anyone American that supports Netanyahu is no doubt not very open to voting for Democrats. I suspect she is listening to people who are helping her be savvier politically about her goals. Still, it will be a long haul to undo the damage to her "brand" that she herself did. Once again, it struck me how much savvier some of her Somali immigrant constituents seemed to be then she was with the intial brouhaha.
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/26/2019 - 5:33pm
Nate Silver on general public views on Israel:
he also retweeted this reply to the above:
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/27/2019 - 1:09am