MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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"Exclusive - Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows"
By artappraiser on Thu, 05/12/2022 - 9:02pm |
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https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473
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by artappraiser on Mon, 05/02/2022 - 9:03pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/02/2022 - 9:06pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/02/2022 - 9:17pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/02/2022 - 9:25pm
Same sex marriage rightfully concerned.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lgbtq-rights-roe-v-wade-leaked-supreme-co...
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 5:37pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/02/2022 - 9:41pm
Liz Warren:
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/02/2022 - 9:45pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/02/2022 - 10:01pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/02/2022 - 10:21pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 12:10am
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/02/2022 - 10:13pm
from
Is This Why Edgar Allan Poe Never Had Kids?
@ TheMillions.com, by Catherine Baab-Muguira February 25, 2022
by artappraiser on Fri, 05/06/2022 - 6:47pm
the SCOTUS Blog wants to make sure we know this:
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/02/2022 - 10:17pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 12:00am
Clarence feeding Ginny Supreme Court skinny to plan and incite a revolution seems like a bigger deal than premature delivery of a miscarriage of justice.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 05/07/2022 - 1:31am
More SC hypocrisy
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 05/07/2022 - 8:42am
Re: Clarence. Maureen Dowd's op-ed is about all the conservative perverts of the 80'sand 90's trying to control wimmin's bodies, who set up what's going on now. She spends some ot the ink reminding us that Clarence is an aficionado of weird porn:
by artappraiser on Sat, 05/07/2022 - 7:09pm
Hillary Clinton tweet:
BTW she was an attendee at the Met Gala this evening and I can't imagine it's over. In any case, it's like an hour travel time from there to her house in Westchester
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/02/2022 - 10:39pm
Yglesias on the political:
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/02/2022 - 10:46pm
Bernie Sanders' tweet:
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/02/2022 - 11:54pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 12:24am
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 2:23am
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 3:16am
yay, another historian willing to attack the grift directly:
(she is in the UK, however, so she doesn't have to worry as much about being brave...)
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 4:26am
This is going to change American culture overnight - a whole lot of things will look very, very different nearly instantaneously.
by Orion on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 5:01am
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 1:17pm
fundamentally changes 2022 elections -
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 1:20pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 2:19pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 3:25pm
Popular Trump-supporting psychologist with 75,000 followers:
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 3:29pm
Susan Collins & Lisa Murkowski:
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 4:12pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 5:10pm
Weren't Thomas & Alito the "go to" justices for Jan 6?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 5:50pm
When enough is enough?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 5:53pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 7:27pm
Rick Wilson is very suspicious:
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 10:18pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 10:22pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/04/2022 - 2:24am
how not to win more friends and influence people, preaching to an increasingly small debauched choir of incels who would like to keep women barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen?
edit to add: not even Putin, more like Taliban
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/04/2022 - 4:21pm
p.s. she pegs him well, it's a circa 1949 approach -
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/04/2022 - 4:59pm
Obama's statement on this (a reminder that he's a Constitutional lawyer) -
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/04/2022 - 5:07pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/04/2022 - 5:15pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/04/2022 - 11:14pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/04/2022 - 11:16pm
Abortion pills by mail pose challenge for officials in red states
Remote prescribing and overseas generics are among options as women manage their abortions
By Christopher Rowland, Laurie McGinley and Jacob Bogage @ WashingtonPost.com, Updated yesterday at 5:42 p.m. EDT
Very good article, explains both the legal and the medical and even where and how to get safely. Includes mentions of options like having a pre-emptive supply to insure timely use and off-label prescribing. Also things like Telemed service having become much more acceptable since Covid.and how an independent pro-abortion organization tests accuracy of the drugs from several online pharmacies in India.
States will indeed have a hard time regulating this angle. It's clearly going to be harder than it is for anti-gun states to regulate firearms purchases.
by artappraiser on Thu, 05/05/2022 - 8:45am
by artappraiser on Thu, 05/05/2022 - 9:03am
Crap decision on 17thC values - it's truly insulting just how shitty and total stretch this "judicial opinion" is - it's like theyve pushed for this for decades but brought in Beavis and Butthead to argue it. Surprising Alito didn reference the marvels of bloodletting and right to obtain and bear leeches. Who knew when they said "Conservative" they meant "Before the Enlightenment". At least he could've addressed the woke crowd/PoC by referencing Bill Cosby and OJ on the "right to choose" - a bit more recent than the virtues of Cromwell in Ireland keeping down the moral decay.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/supreme-court-leaked-draft-arguments_n_62...
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 05/05/2022 - 11:51am
(longer thread)
Who knew "original intent" meant from the late Middle Ages
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 05/05/2022 - 12:48pm
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 05/05/2022 - 4:43pm
I know the argument of the time, this is what you get for teaching them to read
the whole Engish aristocratic system starting falling apart with this one thing! The females couldn't inherit anything, teaching them to read was a big big mistake, the beginning of the end
by artappraiser on Thu, 05/05/2022 - 6:10pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 05/06/2022 - 10:07pm
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 05/07/2022 - 5:12pm
by artappraiser on Thu, 05/05/2022 - 6:21pm
Yes, the left bears quite a bit of responsibility, attacking white women cuz not PoC, attacking all women cuz not trans, and basically making womens's issues - 50+% of the population - 2nd tier to tiny minority woke issues.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 05/07/2022 - 1:40am
by artappraiser on Thu, 05/05/2022 - 10:53pm
Pew:
by artappraiser on Fri, 05/06/2022 - 11:11am
by artappraiser on Fri, 05/06/2022 - 11:28am
by artappraiser on Fri, 05/06/2022 - 2:11pm
Gillibrand did a good job here:
edit to add quibble: cut the transgender reference at the end for chrissake! how many transgender are involved with pregnancy much less abortion at this stage of medical science? just risks antagonizing friendlies with the woke shit while not accomplishing anything practical
by artappraiser on Fri, 05/06/2022 - 7:05pm
like it, especially Woody's reply -
by artappraiser on Fri, 05/06/2022 - 7:59pm
That's so last decade - no, it would open men practicing such abomination to private lawsuits from any citizen and allow citizen posses to catch and incarcerate them with no appeal to state courts allowed since it's a private matter.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 05/07/2022 - 1:34am
by artappraiser on Fri, 05/06/2022 - 10:15pm
(so important it deserves to be posted twice. what are they going to do about it? that is the question...)
by artappraiser on Fri, 05/06/2022 - 10:22pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 05/07/2022 - 1:57pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 05/07/2022 - 1:46pm
Nate Silver
by artappraiser on Sat, 05/07/2022 - 2:26pm
Governers might think about the laws they sign more carefully:
by artappraiser on Sat, 05/07/2022 - 7:48pm
by artappraiser on Sun, 05/08/2022 - 1:50am
How radicals purged abortion talking points - "rare" not good enough, needed "on-demand and whenever" as an attitude to piss off anyone mildly concerned about the line between zygotes and life.
And how they pushed out Leanna Wen to get Planned Parenthood to be an "abortion 24x7" machine rather than an org that might offer women (if i can use that term) other needed services and messaging.
(Sorry to find out it was Bill who coined "safe, legal, and rare" vs Hillary, but it was a great approach while it lasted. And we might consider how much Russia might have influenced pumping up internal divisions by backing or creating different fringe groups online)
2019 feels so long ago.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/how-democrats-purged-safe-legal-r...
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 05/08/2022 - 3:50am
ugh I had no idea that zero sum game was going on. I can see the evidence on Twitter, tho, plenty more screaming illogical people, reviving the same old arguments I've read a 1,000 times for decades. Here's a factoid for lots of radicals with no recognition that it's rare to find a fully libertine country on this issue;
a reminder that's the country people fly to for legal assisted dying!
the "on demand and whenever" crew seem very loud and counterproductive to me, like they want to get far righties to dig in their heels. furthermore they are laboring under the delusion that there are not laws currently regulating it everywhere here
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/09/2022 - 4:36pm
p.s. this hits me as related >
and also makes me think of how it's nothing new and partly why the DLC was founded, to counter a lot of screaming harpie rhetoric that had taken over the rep of the Democratic party in the 70s and 80's. In Culture Wars I, it really was the lefties who started it, the whole Christian right was developed in counter-reaction to lefty rhetoric, they saw the opportunity of the majority being turned off by that and grabbed it.
I still miss old school elite intellectual liberals around calling their shit like Senator Patrck Moynihan every day. (I.E. no babies having babies is not a good cultural thing for "the black community", here's proof, now sit down and shut up.)
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/09/2022 - 5:17pm
Alito missed this historical anathem -
certainly not one of the explicitly
elaborated protections in the Constitution.
I'm sure Hale would be horrified at the thought
of accommodating these people,
bane to society that they are known to be.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 05/09/2022 - 6:05am
Thread...
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 05/09/2022 - 9:59pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/09/2022 - 10:01pm
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 05/10/2022 - 10:25am
IVF affected by abortion laws
https://www.salon.com/2022/05/10/abortion-trigger-laws-ivf/
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 05/10/2022 - 5:33pm
meanwhile Rihanna's been working hard using all her influencer charms to make young women think pregnancy is the awesomest accessory one could have (escorted by baby daddy in public optional)
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/10/2022 - 7:57pm
I'm on board with this comment. What I can see happening is the same old same old "blame Manchin" syndrome as Yglesias has written ad nauseum.
In the real world, you have moderates and you have to deal with them.
Or you can remain pure (and have abortion outlawed) so you can bitch about Senators like Manchin, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski and Sinema as if bitching about them would make their constituencies disappear. More money from liberal donor activists for you and your more left constituencies, get re-elected and rinse and repeat, in reality your constituents lose big time, over and over. You get re-elected by what you mouth and who you blame for your failures.
Oh and deflect all the blame for all the divisiveness in this country to the righties when in actuality you are equally responsible, natch.
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/11/2022 - 5:20pm
from The Hill's report last night on the bill, I gotta give three cheers and more to Bill Casey for this:
Nowadays you are a brave man for being a holdout on such language. Used to be Dems were smart enough to go after stuff that didn't turn off a majority, and offer fuel for culture wars trolling for the right, but those days are apparently gone. He actually had to be a "holdout" on that!! Fucking eh.
btw, this is the clarification they had lon Manchin's no vote, it was a no vote on the bill's procedure, not a no vote on codifying Roe v. Wade, he wanted to make clear he is very supportive of that -
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/11/2022 - 9:47pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/11/2022 - 11:16pm
Senator Marsha Blackburn's comments about the use of contraception were misrepresented, fact-checkers say
There is no evidence that US Senator Marsha Blackburn wants to limit birth control to married couples only, Reuters and PolitiFact report. Senator Blackburn said in March that a 1965 Supreme Court ruling which overturned a state ban on contraception, citing a right to marital privacy, was "constitutionally unsound," but she did not explain further.
by artappraiser on Thu, 05/12/2022 - 12:17am
by artappraiser on Sun, 05/15/2022 - 11:44pm
It's not that tough - sometime after roughly 1st trimester the foetus starts growing life sustaining functions, including heart and nervous system, and presumably at some point feelings of pain, later early "feelings", primitive thoughts, expanding over the months. This does not yet mean a viable human being, but growing human-ish, and ever more so towards 9 months - 7 to 9 can often be saved as premature births so roughly already a human if all has gone well, below that the result is less human and more a danger of a horrid short painful life if survival for more than a few days/weeks is possible.
We largely base the 3 month period on when first organs, nerves, etc. start to appear and when they're starting to function together - limbs and such are also evolving, though thilese can mislead as to the level of life functions. But it's all pretty well documented science-wise. We'll know more in 100 years, but i don't expect too shocking a shift in the line between still just an embryo and what's starting to be human
From end of 3rd semester on we have decided that that "human-ish" development gains more and more importance as human rights, while the mother carrying that budding human also has human rights, so sometimes adverse development means careful awkward decisions balancing the 2. In general through month 7, tie goes to the mother in extreme cases (and these usually are extreme, not "abortion in demand"). Months 8 & 9 are much more complex and more effort will be made to save the now nearly-presumed "child" within reason for the mother (death or paralysis or other horrid side-effect would generally be show stoppers). These tough decisions are generally made with a doctor in tow, cuz they better know the odds and the possibilities. We see somewhat similar take-off-life-support decisions after accidents without a birth involved - it usually ain't that tough, even if heart-wrenching
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 05/16/2022 - 2:11am
He should know that - I would be surprised if he didn't - the "quickening" when a "soul" enters a fetus was pretty much standard folk tradition for millennia, at the end of the first trimester. No popes nor electronic scans needed to figure that out and everyone pretty much followed the implications of that in law and morality. (i.e., someone kills a heavily pregnant woman.) I think he's just trying to be a good Jesuit there and be fair to everyone, that one particularly passionate side wasn't being heard but presumed not to be worthy and I thought his point of NPR having an imbalanced approach on the topic was good.
I for one was shocked that someone as educated as writer Joyce Carol Oates expressed the view that pro-lifers seem just to be busybodies who want to regulate bedrooms, it's like she had no idea that some take abortion very seriously as killing an innocent life. I don't but still, how can she understand what their reasoning is if she doesn't have a clue and should shuddup until she has a better grasp of how some people think instead of slurring them all as unserious. I.E.what does she think, that all those holy anti-death penalty advocates are all for abortion on demand? You certainly can't solve something like this without addressing all serious points of view, people will fight forever if they think their view hasn't been considered. If she's an example of the kind of bubbles some people live in, they need to be burst.
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/16/2022 - 3:12am
Except not all pro-lifers are in good faith, and I'd say much of the shift since the 70s was to "own the libs" more than to protect or imorove life. (The cynicism with which many approach "do unto others" and "as you do to the least of my brethren you do to me" gives that away. - for many charity has become a 4 letter word unless it's thru a Falwell church donation)
But for a good some (many?) this is a real issue of murder from 1st signs of pregnancy. You can tell them how many pregnancies end in spontaneous miscarriages, often without knowledge of the mother even, but similar to people not wanting to wear masks for Covid, it's hard to reason for those who have faith alone (though often along with trust in some religious-political authority)
And for some, human sex and procreation is part of where we raise ourselves above animals, so the symbolism is more than important - for people who argue for transmogrification during the mass ritual, it will be hard to talk out of, whatever Martin Luther did 100s of years ago. Still, this is part of why we separate church and state - not to abuse and insult religion, but to allow development of social/scientific principles post-Enlightenment.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 05/16/2022 - 4:27am
My mother, a holy Catholic rosary fan when young, got real cynical about all of it real quick as she birthed more babies while always struggling for money. She often brought up how ridiculous the old tymes were when people actually used to call a priest for Last Rites over the toilet when an early miscarriage happened. Yes, plenty of fertiized eggs get flushed down the toilet every day because they fail to sufficiently adhere to the uterine wall (and that is how the 'morning after' pill works, btw, it prevents ferti'ized eggs from implanting by inducing a 'period')
edit to add: by the time of Vatican II, top down Catholicism from Rome favored "natural family planning'. My parents actually had instruction pamphlets of using the rhythm method from the church. So it wasn't anti - planning of births,, married couples were just supposed to use will power to forgo sex during fertile periods, not artificial methods. Because, the theory was, if it happened even when you were trying your darnedest that it not happen, then it's god's will. Therein is the big flaw of Paul VI's Curriculum Vitae: the church hasn't been against scientific intervention being god's will since Galileo. I.E. They very much want sick people to take antibiotics so they don't die.
So the "life begins from conception" theory is faulty at its core. It's a natural everyday ocurrence that fertilized eggs get flushed down the toilet or thrown in the trash with menstrual pads/tampons and the woman doesn't even know.
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/16/2022 - 2:18pm
gotcha, Fr. Martin:
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/24/2022 - 8:22am
Abortion compromise?
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/18/2022 - 12:36am
Abortion in the Founders’ era: Violent, chaotic and unregulated
By Gillian Brockell @ WashingtonPost.vom, May 15, 2022 at 7:00 a.m. EDT
by artappraiser on Thu, 05/19/2022 - 8:53am
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by artappraiser on Thu, 06/02/2022 - 2:14pm