MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Extermination was the Primary Point
By NCD on Sun, 10/28/2018 - 12:45pm |I can't imagine the inhumanity involved in raising a gun to a 97 year old woman and killing her in cold blood. In general, the victims of The Tree of Life Synagogue shooting were quite elderly.....They were killed for who they were rather than for anything they might actually do. This is how Nazis went about their business, too, killing the young, the old, the infirm, the most defenseless first, on the theory that that extermination was the primary point.....
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Tribalism in it's worst form and the natural endgame of that. Don't you see, in his fevered insane imagination, their tribe was working at exterminating his? And he had to fight back?
from this CBS report
Tribalism is bad juju, whether imagined tribe or real tribe, even if the cause is good, it's end game is violence, ironically that is where he was being logical: why drag the torture out, why not just kill them all now.
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/28/2018 - 7:51pm
Important anti-tribal gesture:
Charleston Black Church Mourns Jews Killed In Pittsburgh Synagogue
Read more: https://forward.com/fast-forward/412930/charleston-black-church-mourns-jews-killed-in-pittsburgh-synagogue/
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/28/2018 - 9:04pm
Not unexpected, as in America the major social prejudice and "tribe" is now and always has been associated with white racism.
I wouldn't be surprised if white "conservative" evangelical churches have similar statements (minus the words part, just thoughts and prayers) but it's window dressing, they overwhelmingly vote white (R).
by NCD on Sun, 10/28/2018 - 9:25pm
Thanks for speaking the truth. This is not a battle between tribes. This is a single tribal group attacking citizens of the US. In order to deal with the problem, you have to understand the source of the problem. Eric Holder did not instruct people to attack Republicans. Maxine Waters did not instruct people to attack Republicans. Donald Trump calls Democrats his enemies. Donald Trump calls news media enemies. Donald Trump incites violence at his rallies. The Proud Boys are invited to Republican events. Identifying the problem as both sides do it is grossly mistaken. If Black Lives Matter acted like the Proud Boys, you can be sure that black leadership would have to apologize for BLM’s behavior. The Republicans are being allowed to shirk responsibility for their creation.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 10/28/2018 - 10:20pm
The guy who threatened 14 people with pipe bombs previously threatened a black woman on Twitter. The woman reported the threat. Twitter responded by saying that the threat did not reach its criteria for banning an individual therapy. Twitter is now apologizing.
https://www.theroot.com/a-black-woman-reported-the-magabomber-to-twitter-twitt-1830054451
The vote suppressing Republican candidate for Georgia Governor posed for a picture with a white supremacist who threatened Stacey Abrams.
https://www.theroot.com/white-nationalist-who-threatened-stacey-abrams-campaign-1830044440
This Is the tribalism that exists in the Republican Party. There is no equivalent in the Democratic Party.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 10/28/2018 - 10:40pm
The point to your first statement? He also threatened several white people whose complaints weren't taken seriously by Twitter either. Their posts complaining about it were retweeted heavily after the arrest. Some of the things he threatened them with were pretty horrific, not the usual trolling, i.e., alligators or crocodiles chewing their heads off.
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/28/2018 - 11:43pm
The point is that the tribalism is with the wingnuts
The Republican House leader Kevin McCarthy had a post criticizing three Jewish people for “bankrolling” Democrats.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rep-kevin-mccarthy-delete-tweet-attacking-3-jewish-money-men_us_5bd4fa98e4b0d38b58842c96
Trump calls himself a Nationalist and talks about globalists. As Dana Milbank notes, globalist is shorthand for Jewish
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-washington-saw-america-as-a-safe-place-for-jews-trumps-america-isnt/2018/10/28/e21ea6e6-dade-11e8-b3f0-62607289efee_story.html?utm_term=.3cb2cbdbb005
The violence problem is purely on the Right.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 10/28/2018 - 11:50pm
I believe this is correct:
And like he says: end of story (the link takes one to a full thread explanation.) Certainly not interested in debating it with someone who thinks tribalism is a good thing.
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/29/2018 - 12:22am
It's not so hard to decline to play Victim Olympics, no need to feed the my tribe vs.your tribe and revenge and hate for hate thing:
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/28/2018 - 11:49pm
AA we grieve now because of people massacred at a synagogue and two black people gunned down at a Kroger in Louisville. We were terrorized by pipe bombs sent to wipe out Democrats and suppliers of Democrats. What victim Olympics are you talking about? People are dead. The tribalism is not coming from the Left. Zero, zip, Nadda.
Edit add:
GOP leadership is being tribal. Democratic leadership is talking about healing.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 10/29/2018 - 12:07am
True grief leads to meaningful action. There will be no administration action. The Trump/Republican tribe has over decades achieved white social cohesion by emphasizing white fears and resentments, and ignoring those of minorities.
The racist fear mongering by Trump and Republicans across the country will continue. If the Republicans stopped it, they wouldn't have their resentful indoctrinated white tribe, or their ideologically warped, anti-democratic power mad Party.
by NCD on Mon, 10/29/2018 - 12:18am
All depends upon how you define true grief. I believe I've truly known it in my life. It causes "action" related to post traumatic stress disorder.
Actually, I think even bringing the word up in context of victims that one doesn't personally know, like rmrd did, is a dishonest ploy. Kind of offended by that, to tell the truth.
Edit to add: Danny Cardwell is an example of someone who writes like he knows grief. I think no coincidence he doesn't talk all tribal grievance all the time. Sorry, but I find tribalism abhorrent and frankly, supportive of continued racism. Including political partisan tribalism and even vehement ultra orthodox Jewish tribalism. The latter is like night to day with all mainstream forms of Judaism.
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/29/2018 - 12:38am
Tribalism is abhorrent.
Trump is the kingpin of the Republican Party because he puts the racism and the target groups and people to hate right out there day after day. He will never stop. That's exactly what the core GOP base wants from him. That's what they want to hear. He is their only trusted authority, and a very effective demagogue.
Aldous Huxley: The aim of the demagogue is to create social coherence under his own leadership....Opponents should not be argued with; they should be attacked, shouted down...
by NCD on Mon, 10/29/2018 - 1:00am
I'm trying to get my head around all the women (some men) who've suffered sexual attacks and scares, and trying to understand how much residual effect, low or high, it has throughout the years in both daily coping and dealing with people and life decisions. I always assumed women were more resilient, but realize I don't know what this means on any serious level. Combine this with other types of events that more fit "grieving" such as loss of companion - responses can be big and small and varied. I'm pretty convinced one friend got cancer because her father died - wwhether because she couldn't make it to his deathbed, had unresolved issues she needed to deal with, or simply missed him as part of her life. PTSD is one big approach - I'm not sure what else is needed, where or psycholgy state of art is, etc.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 10/29/2018 - 1:00am
Who among the Democrats is supporting tribalism?
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 10/29/2018 - 8:11am
Trump continues to attack the press
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-press-enemy-of-the-people_us_5bd6fee5e4b0a8f17ef9d3b6
Tribalism in the United States is a one way street
Muslims are not inciting violence
LGBTs are not inciting violence
Blacks are not inciting violence
Republicans are inciting violence
Pence tries to convince us that Trump is not inciting violence
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-pence-trump-american-violence_us_5bd67510e4b0d38b5884f4f9
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 10/29/2018 - 10:25am
“President Trump, you are not welcome in Pittsburgh until you fully denounce white nationalism.”
“President Trump, you are not welcome in Pittsburgh until you stop targeting and endangering all minorities.”
“President Trump, you are not welcome in Pittsburgh until you cease your assault on immigrants and refugees.”
“President Trump, you are not welcome in Pittsburgh until you commit yourself to compassionate, democratic policies that recognize the dignity of all of us.”
former President of the Tree of Life synagogue.
It's pretty obvious Trump's only objective in elections is increasing his charismatic leadership cult hold on the the core of the Republican Base that is a tribe of ignorant, gullible and resentful white haters, bigots, and hypocrites, whose sole trusted authority is Donald Trump, and who are thoroughly indoctrinated by right wing agitprop and Fox news.
by NCD on Mon, 10/29/2018 - 10:57am
NCD, this is obvious. There is no one in the Democratic leadership spewing vile rhetoric like Trump. People understand this. Tribalism is part and parcel of the GOP. Trump is not ashamed to call himself a Nationalist. People hear the dog whistle. I don’t know why someone would try to ignore this fact.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 10/29/2018 - 11:14am
Joe Scarborough and a couple former Republican Party mainstays 7 minute MSNBC video at Driftglass, in it they say "liberals are right about the racist Republican base" and "Trump's racist rhetoric isn't dog whistles, it's "air raid sirens", and a huge threat to this nation.
by NCD on Mon, 10/29/2018 - 12:55pm
We had violent attacks in the past. To lump them all as tribalism is ridiculous. Law enforcement has a term Lone Wolf for some violent acts. There are no tribes calling for violence except for the tribalists in the GOP. We ignore this at our peril. In the past, Presidents responded to violent attacks with a healing message. Trump is willing to keep separating the nation. Obama, Clinton, and the Bushes offered words intended to heal. Hopefully Democrats get the House next week.
Edit to add:
Thanks for the link. These are not normal times. We have to stay informed.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 10/29/2018 - 1:09pm
A coworker noted that Conservatives in the building were vocal about their outrage that Kavanaugh was challenged, but have nothing to say about the pipe bombs or synagogue attack. Speaks volumes.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 10/29/2018 - 1:27pm
Interesting to learn that the entire GOP is anti-semitic. That Sheldon Adelson is a good actor! Geez all those Republicans in AIPAC, anti-semitic, too? Who knew? Hey, wonder if the Kushner family had Ivanka convert when she married Jared because they are all really part of a plot to sell Israel and all its Jews to Saudi Arabia?
Puhleez on the simplistic partisan rants! How about thinking before you spew out the anger? You are just as bad as those you criticize. But that's what tribalism does, I guess. Just sad that you can't see how counterproductive you really are to your own stated goals.
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/30/2018 - 4:27am
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/28/2018 - 10:01pm
could use some widespread cross-cultural appropriation of this one:
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/28/2018 - 11:30pm
Playing the unfairly victimized minority tribe game:
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/28/2018 - 11:59pm
For some perspective:
List of rampage killers (religious, political or racial crimes) at Wikipedia. (I would of course just call these all killings due to tribalism)
The world has been plagued with them in recent decades, the U.S. is not anywhere near the worst, despite our current impression.
Still, in the U.S., there were plenty enough during the Obama years without Trump stoking the tribalist hatreds:
They just added Bowers/Pittsburgh to the list, it's #27. It's the only one so far in the U.S. during the Trump presidency. Facts are facts.
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/29/2018 - 4:00am
AA, you are actually arguing that a man who sent pipe bombs targeting Democrats, living in a van with Trump stickers, and viewing Trump as a father is the same as what you posted. The man who massacred people at a synagogue talked of the invasion of foreigners, mimicking Trump’s words about the hordes of mothers and children coming to the border to apply for asylum. Yeah, it’s all just the same.
Republican leadership is inciting violence.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 10/29/2018 - 8:09am
Fukuyama was on CSPAN yesterday from the Texas Book Fair in Austin. Even he is hoping Democrats take the House in 2018 and have a viable candidate for President in 2020, because he understands the threat the Republicans represent.
Edit to add What tribe was the Dallas shooter representing?by rmrd0000 on Mon, 10/29/2018 - 8:36am
No I was not arguing that and anyone with brains can see it. You really need to stop the straw man stuff if you want to be taken seriously. You've done so much damage to your user name along those lines, though, that I would recommend changing it if you happen to have an overnight conversion and decide to stop.
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 8:50pm
Intel is withdrawing support for white supremacist Iowa Congressman Steve King. We have to call our fellow citizens to task. They support white supremacist candidates who set the tone for violence.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steve-king-intel_us_5bd7120ee4b055bc948e433e
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 10/29/2018 - 2:16pm