MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE by Michael Wolraich Order today at Barnes & Noble / Amazon / Books-A-Million / Bookshop |
Editorial by TheGuardian.com, April 9
The WikiLeaks founder has been in Ecuador’s embassy in London since 2012. Clear judgment will be required if he now leaves his self-imposed retreat
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by artappraiser on Wed, 04/10/2019 - 8:38pm
Tweet from "Britain's best-known commentator on the law. Trained as a lawyer before becoming a BBC journalist. Often asked to broadcast on breaking legal stories" about Wikileaks press conference:
by artappraiser on Wed, 04/10/2019 - 8:49pm
by artappraiser on Thu, 04/11/2019 - 6:17am
The Guardian: WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested at London's Ecuadorian embassy – live updates
Assange arrested following the withdrawal of asylum by the Ecuadorian government
by artappraiser on Thu, 04/11/2019 - 6:20am
To remind what bullshit Assange's original "rape" charges were.
https://observer.com/2016/02/exclusive-new-docs-throw-doubt-on-julian-assange-rape-charges-in-stockholm/
Also note the finale above on the chance of getting HIV from a no-AIDS-evident partner in such regular sexual hookups (yeah, the media has enjoyed scaring the shit out of people who shouldn't be scared)
http://www.aidsmap.com/Zero-transmissions-mean-zero-risk-PARTNER-2-study-results-announced/page/3311249/
[Elsewhere, "male-to-female (.08% per act or 8 cases of HIV transmission per every 10,000 acts of vaginal sex with a man who is HIV positive) transmission estimates in high-income countries show a low risk of infection even when the person with HIV is not on antiretroviral treatments." - note that's 1/1250 times with HIV positive, which is distinctively lower than the chance of the taxi you rode home in running off the road or getting hit by a drunk driver].
Okay, Assange could possibly claim 500 hookups over a period of years (though in this case it was just 2 girls AFAWK over the course of 2 weeks, far below Warren Beatty & Jack Nicholson's streaks) but still, it's an overhyped threat.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 04/11/2019 - 7:09am
I would hope that *NOTHING* involved in Assange's arrest relates either to the Swedish case nor to his leaking info on our shameful behavior in Iraq and Afghanistan. [does anyone still remember Abu Ghraib, or were we always "Great"?]
Basically, if it's illegal work with Russia & the GOP for manipulating our election, fine, book him.
If it's for leaking out uneasy truths, screw them.
(Reality Winner's still in jail - why exactly? 5 years for leaking info about an NSA report detailing Russian efforts to hack the election that Trump, Barr, Sessions, et al have tried to bury- might I say successfully? - while those like Flynn and Manafort with higher positions of authority get off easy or completely. What did Nunes get as head of a House intelligence committee for leaking secret Congressional info to Trump? What did Trump get for leaking classified Israeli info to the Russian ambassador? zilch, nada. Richard Pinedo got 6 months for selling stolen or made-up bank account info to help Russia's Internet Research Agency set up Paypal accounts for its Troll Farm as part of hacking the election [in his "defense", Pinedo just did this as general illegal activity - he didn't realize who this particular client was, where as Reality Winner only leaked her info because the authorities and mainstream media were ignoring Russia's criminal activity in the election - bad girl, take your 5 years]).
Oh yeah - prosecutors said she may have stolen other info - but then again, they lied about other aspects of the case to prevent discovery, prevent her getting bail, and otherwise exaggerate her damage - just as they've done with the absurd Wannacry prosecution.
Even though I've come to dislike Assange a lot, once upon a time he served a useful purpose for our democracies. I can also imagine why he might have gotten paranoid over the Swedish charges (not that his colleague didn't warn him about honey pots, nor is it conclusive that he was set up - the stalkerish chick could easily have been a typical groupie, though the Swedish prosecuter Nye (sp?) certainly seems to have a strange infatuation with this case and mixed up methods in pursuing it]
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 04/11/2019 - 7:44am
Aargh, reporting murder is the charge?
It's the best thing Assange & Manning did.
Sure, it made intelligence services and State Department nervous for a while -
but for good reason - we'd been running all over the rules,
covering up indiscriminate surveillance, torture, even murder.
Should this video have not seen the light of day? These pictures?
Barr's untempered surveillance excesses?
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 04/11/2019 - 10:42am
Interesting. I was not familiar with the term ”deadnaming”.
Fox has been referring to Chelsea Manning as Bradley Manning, an insult to her gender.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chelsea-manning-fox-news-julian-assange_n_5caf3fe9e4b0308735d5da01
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 04/11/2019 - 12:10pm
Hillary:
The judge:
from this AP story:
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/12/2019 - 1:47am
Originally Assange was much more careful on data dumps. Later he seemed to stop caring and left personal info in for bystanders, info such as sexual orientation et al that could be dangerous if known in some countries. Looking at The Guardian's list of data dumps, there were a lot of important ones. But only 1 was directed towards a single person.
This reflects on whether Wikileaks was acting as a journalist or a data hacker/chaos agent or simply a revenge tool. Because otherwise, are the Saudis hacking Bezos' phone simply another freedom of speech journalistic org because info needs to be free and Bezos is an important person, an extension of the public figure exception for libel suits?
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 04/12/2019 - 4:19am
A list of leaks from Manning's data - https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bradley-manning-leaks_n_3788126
While it may have made say State Department uncomfortable and their job more difficult, it's hard to say the dump was indiscriminate or worked against our stated values. And presumably the military should not have open season 7 free rein on murder of civilians and torture captives.
1. The ‘Collateral Murder’ Apache helicopter video
2. The Reykjavik-13 cable
3. The Iraq War Logs
4. The Afghanistan War Logs
5. Detention, abuse and torture
6. U.S. complicity with repressive Arab regimes
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 04/12/2019 - 4:52am
Those are the questions. Is anything published "news" and anyone who publishes "news" a journalist entitled to first amendment protections? Are there any restrictions or red lines a journalist can't cross to get news? Is hacking ever legal? At the very least Assange became a partisan actor who knowingly printed hacked info from Russian government hackers to attack Hillary. He didn't just receive hacked info he worked with hackers to help them hack systems. At this point I don't give a fuck about Assange.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 04/12/2019 - 10:27am
I think my obvious point was I care about journalism.
Snowden published some important stuff re: our government's abuse of surveillance,
yet he seems to have been cultivated as a spy, in contrast to the homegrown hacker myth.
The point re: Assange was this bit about him helping or soliciting in 2010
is a bit overwrought, designed to give some ground/any ground to prosecute,
when overall *at that time* he seemed to be carrying out normal journalism.
And I pointed out with the WannaCry spyware case that Emptywheel's been tracking
just how shitty and deceitful our FBI can be, violating the rules it's supposed to work by,
fucking with their "suspects", lying to judges, et al, yet they get by with impunity
whereas one of their suspects, i.e. play toys, can fuck up just 1 time and they have
the book thrown at them. Rather an unlevel playing field, especially considering how
long the government can keep someone detained who might be completely innocent.
The Obama Administration was also much more intrusive and harrassing of reporters
than predecessors, including James Rosen of Fox:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_articles_about_the_Department_of_Just...
and James Risen of the Times who fought a 7-year battle to keep from testifying over a source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Risen#Reports_on_government_surveill...
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 04/12/2019 - 12:08pm
FWIW on your red line question, I believe you're getting at it from the things I've read here and there. The legal case would be to prove he actively solicited leaking of specific protected information. I.E. The leaker comes to you to tell you something of their choice, that's whistleblowing. You actively solicit specific protected information, that's spying.Very tricky as there is a need to prove nefarious intent.
The way I see it is that legal teams for the big newspapers always seem interested in not letting courts force any reporter to reveal sources under any circumstances. They want to protect that line in an absolute way. Judges on the other hand tend to think they can be trusted to talk to the source to figure out what the real story is, what the intent was. Reporters have ended up in in jail for contempt that way. I see it as coming down to this: should we trust the judiciary or not to keep things confidential? Or does "free press" mean to protect us from the judiciary being political too? This is unresolved as to security vs. limits of freedom, is always being argued.
Keeping in mind that the judiciary is really meant as our elitist authoritarian branch to keep populist impulses from tearing things all to heck. Yes there are corrupt judges (and everywhere in the world.) All the more important to try to make sure there are few of those.
What the heck is treason anyway? This is why "rule of law" is so important, Congress has to make laws that are clear, where does the majority think lines should be? FBI can't just go around making up the lines, for instance.Neither can whistleblowers.
I'm babbling, I guess, because I like the topic, too, it interests me.
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/12/2019 - 12:57pm
I'm not sure that crosses the red line. Someone's found/leaked instances of a mass murder - a journalist is going to rightfully ask what else is in the trove, what else is being covered up. But helping the leaker hack into systems seems a definite bridge too far.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 04/12/2019 - 7:15pm
Re: Originally Assange was much more careful on data dumps
Really? My impression was the opposite, that he was selling a principle of Wikileaks that it was a new information world where you just dump everything and anything you can get and let the people decide and that we no longer need journalists to filter or vet. Complete and total transparency was going to be the new thing, no gatekeepers to protect anyone or anything, no editors, no editing. Fuck the gatekeepers, the people are wiser. Total faith in the wisdom of the masses.
This is a very crucial issue, actually. A major part of the problem of populism. If the people don't elect or select some elites with principles/ethics who will be vetting and judging, other elites will just figure out a way to manipulate the people/the crowd/the mob/the masses to their benefit.
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/12/2019 - 2:06pm
The turning point
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/09/02/us.wikileaks/index.html
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 04/12/2019 - 3:29pm
Does this mean that British authorities have access to Wikileaks communication devices?
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 04/12/2019 - 8:40am
If you watch the video in the Reuters tweet upthread, Wikileaks legal is unclear on this, their accusations are unclear. The representative first says Assange has been personally spied upon, but then later he also says there was a request (he doesn't say from what authority) to turn over embassy security camera videos and visitor's logs and that they have reason to suspect this was shared with the Trump administration. Didn't make sense because if it had to be requested, it wasn't spying. The narrator there also points out their accusations are not clear, that they weren't producing any evidence.
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/12/2019 - 1:24pm
Also, I recall reading about how Ecuador had been getting fed up with him, including getting upset with him about covering up security cameras. That they didn't like how he wouldn't use their wifi, etc. So it was like he agreed that Ecuador could "spy" on him in order to stay there but was always fighting with them about that. There was a quite useful reminder journalist comment I posted after that video: you can always just walk out of someone's house if you don't like how they are treating your privacy.
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/12/2019 - 1:28pm
If you're suspected of passing confidential material to the Russians, they just might "spy" on you.
Strange thing, that.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 04/12/2019 - 1:33pm
Thanks
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 04/12/2019 - 2:20pm
Marcy Wheeler:
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/12/2019 - 6:00pm
Editor of Tow Center for Digital Journalism @ Columbia U Journo School:
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/12/2019 - 6:28pm
This article seems to be conflating several different 1st amendment cases from Griffin to Miller to Swartz. All very different. I'm very hard core against hacking. The internet is too important and people, business, and institutions need to feel their data is safe when using it. Perhaps the punishment of Swartz was overly harsh but he did knowingly break what I consider a valid valuable law. He broke it quite egregiously by stealing massive amounts of data. He was part of a significant group of hackers that believed the internet, and information, wants to be free therefore stealing it isn't an ethical violation and shouldn't be a crime. It was a crime, I think it should be a crime, and I think he should have been punished for that crime.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 04/12/2019 - 6:59pm
Rick Wilson published on topic in the UK's Independent !!
There's a reason why Bernie bros and Trump supporters love Julian Assange equally
In this latest tragicomic Trumpian scandal, historical revisionism is key
By Rick Wilson from Florida 1 day ago @ www.independent.uk
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/12/2019 - 6:41pm
As Ecuador Harbored Assange, It Was Subjected to Threats and Leaks
By Nicholas Casey & Jo Becker @ NYTimes.com, April 12
Juicy long article, I excerpt about 1/4 here to give three examples. My cynicism confirmed:
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/12/2019 - 10:32pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 04/13/2019 - 7:39pm
The ACLU: a worrisome indictment:
by artappraiser on Sat, 04/13/2019 - 7:45pm
Retweeted by Laura Rozen:
by artappraiser on Sat, 04/13/2019 - 10:22pm
But one would think the woman should at least be awake.
When I first heard about wikileaks I said it would take a saint to run it without using it for personal reasons, personal gain, personal power, revenge, partisan advantage. Assange isn't a saint and so that's what happened.
by ocean-kat on Sat, 04/13/2019 - 11:35pm
Is auctioning off classified government data to the highest bidder considered journalism?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 04/14/2019 - 11:46am
I checked: I love Wikileaks was 10/10/16
by artappraiser on Mon, 04/15/2019 - 8:13pm
The Assange Complaint Was Filed the Day the UK Rejected Assange’s Diplomatic Status
https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/04/15/the-assange-complaint-was-filed-th...
I.e. when it became obvious Assange would use any absurd trick he could, they put down the indictment. Of course by this time Julian had worked with Donald & Roger to help throw the election and deal out stolen emails (even after Donald & Mike Flynn had been briefed by the NSA about what the Russians were up to - a meeting where they were all mum about their various past & current real estate deals, employing Russian dirty tricks guys & even changing the GOP platform to accommodate the Russians)
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 04/16/2019 - 12:24pm
Assange tried to use embassy as 'centre for spying', says Ecuador's Moreno
Exclusive: President says he has it in writing from UK that WikiLeaks cofounder’s rights will be respected
@ TheGuardian.com, April 14
by artappraiser on Tue, 04/16/2019 - 3:46am
by artappraiser on Tue, 04/16/2019 - 11:39am
by artappraiser on Tue, 04/23/2019 - 8:40pm
Julian Assange 'too ill' to appear for court hearing, says lawyer
@ BBC News, May 30
by artappraiser on Thu, 05/30/2019 - 7:39pm