MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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No one is really sure what exactly happened tonight. While the Senate was debating Chinese currency manipulation according to Huffingtpost's Ryan Grim:
McConnell moved to suspend the rules and shift debate over to the American Jobs Act. Reid argued that doing so amounted to another filibuster, because it required 60 votes to move back to the original bill, and so therefore was out of order. Sen. Mark Begich (D-Alaska), who happened to be the presiding officer at the time, asked the Senate parliamentarian what he thought. The parliamentarian advised Begich that McConnell's motion was in order.
Reid then appealed the ruling, following a script that advocates of ending the filibuster wrote long ago. What some senators call the "constitutional option," and what others call the "nuclear option," involves as a first step appealing a ruling that a filibuster is in order. The second step is to defeat a motion to table that appeal, which is exactly what happened next, with all but one Democrat sticking with Reid. (Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) voted against Reid; Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) didn't vote.)
With the chair overruled, McConnell's motion was declared out of order, setting a narrow precedent that motions to suspend the rules are out of order during a post-cloture period.
But it also set a more important precedent. The advice of the parliamentarian is considered sacrosanct in the Senate. Reid's decision to overrule him opens a gate to similar efforts that could also be done by majority vote. Republicans were quickly threatening to use the new power once they return to the majority. (Reid was a proponent of filibuster reform in 2010, but didn't pursue an effort earlier this year to reduce the number of votes needed in the Senate to move legislation forward.)
Interesting thing that is happening tonight. Is this the nuclear option?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/10/reid_pulls_the_plug_on_mcc...
Comments
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by tmccarthy0 on Thu, 10/06/2011 - 10:02pm
I believe "the nuclear option" has sometimes, at least, been used to refer to this maneuver.
The problem in this case is that apparently there aren't enough Democratic votes to pass the American Jobs Act on an up-or-down majority vote if the Republicans don't block one. At least not as of last night. McConnell, knowing this, was seeking to force a vote on AJA last night that would have failed, embarrassed the Democrats, and cut the ground out from under Obama's press for Congress to pass this legislation now.
There have been and hopefully still are efforts to tweak AJA in a way that would permit it to pass on a majority vote with Democratic votes alone. It makes me crazy that the Senate Democrats cannot muster 51 votes for this bill. That just gives legitimacy to the arguments of all those saying there's no real differences of any consequence between the parties when in fact the Democrats are close to having the votes to pass it whereas not a single Republican likely will vote for it..
If this bill fails in the Senate for lack of a majority, without forcing the Republicans to block it and therefore own that failure, then unfortunately those arguments will remove one good reason to vote for Democrats next November. Voters will be able to say: Democrats have the majority in the Senate, they try to blame Republicans for failure to permit anything to be done about the jobs crisis, but they don't even have the votes to pass the AJA in the Senate by majority vote. So it's all a bunch of convenient posturing by the Democrats. So the argument will go.
I wrote one of my Senators, Warner, last night. I gave my substantive reasons why I think this bill needs to pass right now. And I also implored him to work with his Democratic caucus colleagues to do what is necessary to get majority votes to pass this bill, right now. Or else I fear a dismal election outcome. His reputation as a moderate who craves bipartisanship positions him well to do that if he so chooses.
Apologies in advance to those dag denizens who are turned off by discussions of inside baseball. But this legislation could at least pass the Senate. And that would reinforce instead of undercut the heat the President is applying to Cantor and the Republicans to allow an up or down vote on AJA, instead of blocking it in the House.
If the Senate passes AJA and the House either blocks it or votes it down, then the full weight of the blame for it going down--for 300,000-400,000 public education employees losing their jobs soon, among other horrible consequences of non-passage--falls squarely on the GOP.
Some would say that's gamesmanship and posturing. I'd call it helping the voters know who to hold accountable for Washington's unresponsiveness on jobs, if it comes to that. And they'll then know how to do that next November. Our best shot at winning the House back next year. But the Senate Dems have to stand and deliver.
by AmericanDreamer on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 8:07am
I should know this, but do you know what our (Virginia) senator's plans are with respect to this bill? Where does one look this up, or does it require contacting them?
by Verified Atheist on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 8:40am
If you're not aware of your senators' stance on a particular bill :
1. Try going to THOMAS, an online source of information about bills in Congress, at
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.php#
It helps if you have the exact name of the bill. I typed in "American Jobs Act", which is close. That pulled up:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/thomas#
Item 2 is the House version, called the American Jobs Act of 2011, and numbered H.R. 12. We learn that it was introduced, on request, by Rep. Larson, who is a Democrat from Connecticut, on September 21.
Item 35--they always list House bills before Senate bills--tells us that Senator Reid introduced S. 1660, also titled the American Jobs Act of 2011, on October 5.
If you click on the respective bill numbers you'll see that no cosponsors are listed for either version. (there is other information at this screen that may be of interest, such as the text of the bill, the committee(s) to which it was referred, etc.) That does *not* equate with no support for the bill. And that may not reflect cosponsors added since the information was last updated, although they try to update it frequently. But from this information we don't know which other members of Congress, if any, are cosponsoring the bill, or supporting the bill, which are not the same thing.
If you don't have the exact name of the bill you may still be able to turn up what you're looking for by entering your best guess on key words.
If there is an advocacy organization you know or can think of that is, or probably is, supporting the bill, try going to their website. They may give the bill name(s), the bill number(s), or both. They may also identify known supporters of the legislation. And they may recommend specific courses of action for supporters to take.
2. Try the official website of the House or Senate member whose stance you want to find out about to see if they have said anything publicly on that.
I visited Senator Mark Warner's official website and found no reference to his stance on the American Jobs Act of 2011. I did learn that he is a sponsor of the BUILD Act, along with Senators Kerry and Republican Kay Bailey Hutchinson. About which more here if you are interested: http://warner.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=Blog&ContentRecord_id=8b9929bc-c01a-4c5e-8f88-7cc6a8760f87
I spent about 5 minutes at Senator Webb's official website and was able to find no reference to his stance on the American Jobs Act.
If you need or want to know now and can't find out in other, not prohibitively time-consuming ways...
3. Contact the Senator's office, by phone if the matter is time sensitive (as in minutes, hours or a few days). Their website will tell you how to do that. Most senators have more than one office set up around the state so you might be able to avoid a long-distance call. If the Senator's regional office doesn't have the information you're looking for, they can give you the number for the DC office, which is much more focused on legislative business versus assisting individual constituents with difficulties they are having, say, with getting a Social Security check.
If you don't have or can't get(?) the direct number for their Washington office you can always as a last resort call the Capitol switchboard operator at 202-224-3121 and they will transfer your call to the member's office you want to contact.
Although I have committed this sin myself, after having watched some of the phone operator switchboard scenes in Mad Men I have resolved to try to take the extra minute or two to get the direct number and reduce the call volume the switchboard operators handle by one for their day.
I spoke to a staff person with Senator Warner's office, who indicated that he has not said anything on this bill so far. She offered to pass along a message to him and I took her up on that. My message was a request that he not only support the bill himself but work to secure support from fellow members of the Democratic caucus so that it can pass the Senate. I gave my two sentence substantive reason as to why I support it and hope he will. Congrssional staff appreciate it when you are succinct and to the point.
Senators who want to keep their jobs pay attention to call and mail volume and sentiment. Of course few individual messages get to the Senator, but a well-written, concise letter may. Congressional staff members will often put together a letter or a few letters that are representative of what the office is receiving and forward to their bosses or verbally brief them on what constituents are saying, on a specific matter they know to be of particular interest to their boss or just generally as an indication of what is on their constituents' minds. Their staffs often keep tallies on contactor sentiment on particular high-profile pieces of legislation or other issues. Those who contact the office are presumed to be high-activity or high-information voters, or both.
by AmericanDreamer on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:39am
What I don't understand is whether the bill McConnell wanted to have voted down is Obama's original bill or one amended re the "pay for" change which would be the 5% surcharge.
But I assume it was the original version and if the Democrats couldn't have gotten a majority vote on it that would have very seriously undermined Obama.
by Oxy Mora on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 8:53am
That's been unclear to me as well based on what I've been able to find out so far about what happened last night. Just because the Senate bill has the same name as the House version (which I believe was the White House's version of the bill) doesn't mean it necessarily has identical language. I don't know whether the bill Reid introduced was the White House's version, or a version reflecting some modifications resulting from Senate Democrats' negotiations so far, aimed at bringing additional votes.
by AmericanDreamer on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:43am
I think McConnell wanted the vote on the Presidents plan and Reid doesn't want to hold a vote until they tweak the bill so it can pass with diverse support, I hope that doesn't mean that they will be dispensing with raising taxes oops I mean revenues... silly me .
by tmccarthy0 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:49am
It pisses me off that there aren't 51 Senate Democratic votes for the President's AJA bill. Because there aren't, there is the need for negotiations to try to get to 51 Dems and that's what McConnell was trying to exploit and would have succeeded in exploiting had Reid not gone "nuclear" last night. Which may or may not be a precedent that comes back to bite us. The GOP surely will use it to do stuff they want to do when they get the reins next.
The message to the Senate Democrats seems clear enough: Get to 51 on AJA fast, and move...now. It looks to me as though Reid is very much on the case but herding cats is easy compared to getting a fellow Senator to vote the way you want them to.
by AmericanDreamer on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:03am
I know, I agree. I hope Harry Reid can pull this off.
by tmccarthy0 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:32am
@AD
This.
by tmccarthy0 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 9:56am
Tmac, I'm not taking your point with that comment. Would you be so kind as to please clarify?
by AmericanDreamer on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:45am
I agree with it.
by tmccarthy0 on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:50am
Ok, thanks...
by AmericanDreamer on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:52am
This
by Donal on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:06am
Thanks. You know, I actually do use this thing called google that artappraiser has been telling me about, but maybe I need to use it even more!
by AmericanDreamer on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:19am
Okay.
So Reid dusted off the GOPer's tactical political nuke and turn in on them. And the GOPer's where shocked, awed and angered that he and his fellow Democrats had the unmitigated audacity to underhandedly use the GOPer's weapon of mass political destruction on them. Now hand-to-hand political warfare in the halls of congress is all but assured.
My only suggestion for Reid and his fellow Democrats is not to stop here. They can siphon another GOPer weapon of mass political destruction from the GOPer lead state legislatures ... ram thru as many changes as possible before they lose their minor majority. That way if the GOPers do regain the majority, they'll have a full plate of legislation to kill and the Democrats can be just as annoying to the GOPers as they were when the Democrats were the majority.
by Beetlejuice on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:13am
You don't hang out in the Senate much, do you?
by Michael Wolraich on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 1:48pm
Yeah, I know they also need the House to rubber stamp whatever they pass ... which won't happen. Was just hoping the stunt Reid pulled was just a warm up for what's to come before the 2012 general election and the GOPer's take them to task in a fight to the death for control over both House and Senate. Otherwise, he just opened a political pandora's box which his action cannot be undone. So the GOPer's will take full advantage of his political maneuver to paint the town red at his expense once they take the leadership back. That's a huge future price to pay for oneupmanship today. So I would hope he has a plan.
by Beetlejuice on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:03pm
Some job loss data for educators "police, firefighters, courtroom secretaries, aides for the severely disabled and their families, and many others whose work the private sector is unlikely to replace, even when the economy improves."
http://www.offthechartsblog.org/education-jobs-still-disappearing/
by AmericanDreamer on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 5:10pm
McConnell and the Republicans have filibustered the AJA.
They went back to blocking an up-or-down majority vote on AJA. Apparently the "no filibuster" offer was a one-time only offer on an earlier version of the bill which Democrats did not have the votes to pass by majority vote.
They're holding the vote open for Shaheen, who will join with 50 Democrats to allow an up-or-down (majority) vote, making, in effect, a majority in favor of having a majority vote.
Obama issued a rare statement following the GOP's "successful" attempt to thwart majority rule in the Senate:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
October 11, 2011
Statement by the President on the Senate Vote on the American Jobs Act
Tonight, a majority of United States Senators voted to advance the American Jobs Act. But even though this bill contains the kind of proposals Republicans have supported in the past, their party obstructed the Senate from moving forward on this jobs bill.
Tonight's vote is by no means the end of this fight. Independent economists have said that the American Jobs Act would grow the economy and lead to nearly two million jobs, which is why the majority of the American people support these bipartisan, common-sense proposals. And we will now work with Senator Reid to make sure that the individual proposals in this jobs bill get a vote as soon as possible.
In the coming days, Members of Congress will have to take a stand on whether they believe we should put teachers, construction workers, police officers and firefighters back on the job. They'll get a vote on whether they believe we should cut taxes for small business owners and middle-class Americans, or whether we should protect tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires.
With each vote, Members of Congress can either explain to their constituents why they're against common-sense, bipartisan proposals to create jobs, or they can listen to the overwhelming majority of American people who are crying out for action. Because with so many Americans out of work and so many families struggling, we can't take "no" for an answer. Ultimately, the American people won't take "no" for an answer. It's time for Congress to meet their responsibility, put their party politics aside and take action on jobs right now.
by AmericanDreamer on Tue, 10/11/2011 - 9:21pm