MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Republicans are predicting the beginning of the end of the tea party in Kansas
By Ana Swanson & Max Ehrenfreud from Overland Park, Kansas, for Wonkblog @ WashingtonPost.com, June 9
A vote this week to raise taxes — a repudiation of GOP Gov. Sam Brownback’s platform of ongoing cuts — demonstrates the ascendance of moderates in Topeka. It also may portend trouble for Republicans in Washington.
[....] Moderate Republicans joined with Democrats this week to raise state taxes, overriding GOP Gov. Sam Brownback’s veto and repudiating the conservative governor’s platform of ongoing tax cuts. The vote was a demonstration of the moderates’ newfound clout in the state Republican Party. Brownback was unable to successfully block the bill because many of the die-hard tax cut proponents had either retired or been voted out of office, losing to more centrist candidates in GOP primaries.
“The citizens of Kansas have said ‘It’s not working. We don’t like it.’ And they’ve elected new people.” said Sheila Frahm, a centrist Republican who served as lieutenant governor of Kansas and briefly as a U.S. senator.
Kansas’s moderate ascendance may portend problems for Republicans in Washington, where many in the party, including President Trump, are pushing to adopt federal tax policies similar to the ones Brownback has installed in Kansas. But while Brownback had hoped what he called Kansas’s “real-live experiment” in conservative economic policy would become a national model, it has instead become a cautionary example.
Brownback and his promised tax cuts were expected to spur enough economic growth to keep the government well funded, but when that economic boom never materialized, state lawmakers faced perennial deficits and had to implement spending reductions to close the gap. And when they did, some lawmakers found that while promising to cut spending plays well during a campaign, the subsequent loss of public services often proves far more unpopular.
“Kansas seems to be ahead of the curve,” said Rep. Melissa Rooke [....]
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Kansas Republicans revolt against GOP governor, raise taxes: Opinion
By Tim Morris, Columnist @ NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune, June 8
What's the matter with Kansas ... Republicans?
Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large, June 9
Spirit of legislative compromise provides hope for the future
Brownback lie led to tax policy
by artappraiser on Sat, 06/10/2017 - 2:15am
Story's gone viral with journalists, it seems:
A Republican revolt in Kansas; Has the Kansas experiment in tax-cutting failed?
Kansas Rises Up Against the Trickle-Down Con Job
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD @ NYTimes.com, June 9
Some Republicans see lesson in rollback of Kansas tax cuts
Lawmakers finally rejected Sam Brownback's bad economic policies
Brownback believes tax veto override imperils state’s economic future
By Tim Carpener, Topeka Capital-Journal , June 8
Kansas Legislators Repudiate Governor, Override Tax Veto
By Joe Barrett and Richard Rubin @ The Wall Street Journal, June 7
Tax Revenge in Kansas: Republicans and unions raise rates higher than in Massachusetts.
Wall Street Journal "Review & Outlook", June 9, 2017 7:21 p.m. ET
by artappraiser on Sat, 06/10/2017 - 2:49am
Kind of tangential to this story-line, but these various state-level stories make me revise my view of the ratchet effect in politics, where establishing facts "on the ground" locks those facts in as the norm and standard which is hard to dislodge and which anchors the debate going forward. On the one hand conservatives worry about Obamacare creating expectations of universal health care as a broadly held normative standard. On the other hand liberals worry about tax cuts and deregulation and erosion of the welfare state getting locked in as newly lowered expectations in society at large. But the ratchet seems to be giving way now. There is whip-lash in both directions now, isn't there? A massive rightward lurch on immigration and taxes and regulations at the federal level after the dream act, Obamacare tax hikes and Dodd-Frank and At the state-level there is this leftward lurch on taxes in Kansas and the various initiatives towards single-payer in health care.
The ratchet functioned based on the legitimacy of the status quo, which conferred on new initiatives a respectability that called for acquiescence and acceptance. Change had to meet a high bar to be justified. But that burden of justification is gone now. The status quo has no legitimacy. You don't need to argue as much now to justify significant changes in policy. It's not "why change?", it's "how do we fix this?". David Frum is getting mocked concerning his plea for what he thinks of as the reasonable center (check out the responses).
It's a weird situation, because, like you have pointed out elsewhere, the situation broadly speaking is not that bad - near-full employment, low crime rates, historically peaceful geo-political conditions. But something is creating a disconnect, a dissatisfaction, which isn't just slowly dissipating in line with the gradually improving circumstances.
A friend works on well-being theory and how it intersects with the psychology of happiness. Something he has been working on is threshold effects in happiness and contentment. The idea is that happiness is not something that is easily plotted on a gradient from unhappy to happy, with incremental improvements or deterioration in circumstances leading to comparative improvements or deterioration in feeling. It is much more binary than the science has traditionally assumed, with outsized effects caused by small circumscribed changes in the environment, you either feel engaged and attuned, in the flow, or alternatively disengaged, in disaccord, disenfranchised. You either endorse or reject.
What causes these threshold effects? Well that isn't clear. Are threshold effects getting stronger now? Is it stronger among millenials (to follow on your personal pet research project)?
Another thread to this patchwork thoughtprocess of mine, I wonder whether it doesn't tie into the stronger rejection of Lesser-Evil-ism that you get both on the right and left. It's not so much an irrational and stubborn absolutism, it's maybe just a feature of psychology that has threshold effects kick in, where the whole weighing of political utility on a scale of bad vs worse doesn't compute. It's just not a framework for political decisions that is applicable for many people.
Anyway, election hangover musings. Interesting links. Thx.
by Obey on Sat, 06/10/2017 - 5:01am
Some ideas worth continuing to hone as we go forward. The psychology of how people feel and how they behave is quite complex, and without having a good understanding of that, we largely don't understand how and why what politicians (in the non-pejorative sense of the word) do what they do makes sense or not.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 06/10/2017 - 6:48am
Wow that thread of tweets responding to David Frum is simply amazing, I am gobsmacked by it. It's like everyone from Firedoglake decided to descend upon him and attack anything he says. Many seem to be foaming at the mouth. There is one sensible (mho) reply that I ran across:
Why even follow the man's tweets if you know you dislike GOP-leaning centrists? Apart from dislike of policy involved, don't they see how much their behavior is like diehard Trump fans? Surely people like this cause polarization in our society. The great equalizer social media is just encouraging people who wish they could be an angry radio talk show host to try their hand?
It reminds me of the dislike of David Brooks which I have seen by more than one writer on this site. Of course, I am here because the vicious attack mode of behavior is not allowed. Still, I just don't get that at all. Why is someone looking to find "a middle ground" ever disliked so much?
Why is their such a significant activist group of people still disliking centrism and third way and Clintonism so much in theory, which to me is quite similar to the compromises required to legislate in any democracy? Increasingly the answer, to me: people want/need a parliamentary system. Big tent political parties are just not going to work well anymore? There is too much passion among the politically minded is it because they can now make their own tribes on the internet to reinforce their passions?
Extra added afterthought: these people attacking Frum, they strike me as more vicious and angry than the "Occupy Wall Street" crowd as a whole. The latter was trying very hard to be "big tent." And in the beginning, with the mass reaction, they succeeded, all kinds of people from all walks of life and classes showed sympathy.
by artappraiser on Sat, 06/10/2017 - 1:12pm
Funny to see these things from your perspective. To me Frum will always be Mr. Axis of Evil and part of the core brain trust pushing for the Iraq war. Who the hell is he to claim the middle ground of any self-respecting democracy? Yeah great status quo you bequeathed us there, you jerk, deficits, crazy GOP, metastasizing middle east wars, terrorism. That was the prism I was seeing his tweet through. Apart from that, I don't go through enough tweet comment threads to get a sense of how poisonous they get, and whether this one is particularly violent in tone. Anyway my general point is that there isn't much a constituency for the status quo. Maybe could have chosen a better example.
On your other points, I find Brooks deeply uninteresting, and am surprised by the number of people who like him. I know Bill Clinton is a fan, and he seems smart and intellectually curious, but I can't for the life of me understand why.
by Obey on Sat, 06/10/2017 - 1:37pm
deeply uninteresting is very reasonable. Being driven mad by his op-eds to want to blog at length in response to him is a whole 'nother thing. I just find it so curious that someone trying hard to be milquetoast would anger.
by artappraiser on Sat, 06/10/2017 - 1:41pm
also on core brain trust pushing for the Iraq war
That was 15 years ago. The world has changed radically, so has Frum.
I should have written my comment like this, to be clear why the thread shocked me: did all the Firedoglakers climb out from hiding under a rock someplace? It was like that, like: oh, here's where all you guys went, you're following used-to-be neo-cons on Twitter and attacking them as if it is still 2005.
by artappraiser on Sat, 06/10/2017 - 1:47pm
Thanks to cryogenics, we've been freezing people like it's 1999. Even Prince, it's rumored,or at least Wendy & Lisa to provide a proper soundtrack. Get Your War On playing on the MTV video juke, along with a free set of John Kerry medals to the first thawee - "Slo Boating" we call it. If you ever felt like a caveman, well, now you can be one of those Cro-Magnons preserved so wonderfully in the Swiss Alps for the last 10,000 years or so. And through science, we can identify if there are any progressive genes, or simply knuckle-dragging simians with big mouths & little brains. But still, they're Europeans - what do the Yanks got to offer? "Freedom Fries"?
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 06/10/2017 - 4:01pm
I understand and mostly agree with your point about writers that appeal to moderate republicans being disliked inordinately. But there is a reason for it and it's not because they are middle of the road. Until Trump these so called centrists gave cover and excused the behavior of the most destructive far right. At times they even celebrated their successes when it stopped democratic initiatives. In this way they empowered the far right. There's a lot of anger against them for that. Now they look on in horror at what has become of their republican party. How soon should we forgive them for empowering the fringe right now that they've seen the light? I personally am quick to forgive when people change for the better, but it takes me a long time to forget. Others are not so forgiving.
To Frum's credit, as an intellectual he was earlier than Brooks to see and be disgusted by the anti-intellectualism of the far right and turned against them very early. It was a courageous stand that cost him financially and politically. I may disagree with much of his policy by I admire him for taking that stand.
by ocean-kat on Sat, 06/10/2017 - 2:31pm
On this point in particular: conservatives worry about Obamacare creating expectations of universal health care as a broadly held normative standard.
They've already lost that fight, I am 100% sure of it. Virtually all of those elected to office know it, too. The attempts to repeal are mostly not genuine belief. They are mostly cynical attempts to protect their reputation what they promised tea party hordes for years, and not let themselves look like they are flip floppers.
It took decades for people to understand the complexities of a health care system in this day and age. Many rounds of periods of facts learned. But we are finally there. Any changes better be for the better of the common good or their will be screaming and yelling. And really really the common good across the board, including big corporations and jobs and everything else that has to do with such a huge part of the economy.
Look: Medicare is not at all controversial. You don't see conservatives arguing that we should repeal it. They just argue about how to pay for it when they've used the money paid into it for something else.
by artappraiser on Sat, 06/10/2017 - 1:25pm
I'm less sure about this new norm than I used to be. They'll phase it in over the medium term so it doesn't affect the next election, say the CBO is lying, tough it out.
by Obey on Sat, 06/10/2017 - 1:47pm
Wasn't saying there's not going to be like 5 years of hellish tweaking with more than just screaming and yelling, but probably actual deaths. (I know, I'm probably one of those people that are going to be hit hard.) But the theory argument is over, to go back to arguing that the government shouldn't insure everyone has some basic coverage, but that the market can do it: that's over. It's been over for those over 65 for a long time, and now it's over for everyone else. They tweaked Medicare so it can have a measure of privatization, but they don't go past that line, anyone who might believe in erasing it can't voice it, they know it won't sell.
by artappraiser on Sat, 06/10/2017 - 1:57pm
an important cavaet, I think, on any rachet effects:
The Republican party has long been strongly "state's rights" over Federal government solutions, way before Tea Party. So just because Kansans changed their mind about how their state government should be run doesn't mean they have become more agreeable to sending more money and power to Washington to handle more things.
by artappraiser on Sat, 06/10/2017 - 2:51pm
1st. I think one of the lessons from Kansas is precisely the power of PRE-EXISTING facts on the ground - such as public education. This is, I think, so clearly one of the bedrock "goods" that Government is supposed to deliver that the tax-cutters - when they were found to be wrecking it and to have no fix - lost their legitimacy. I think we can see some of this in the UK as well, with school lunches, tuition, etc. Education - like it or loathe it - is simply considered to be vital, and the Government to have a powerful role in it. [It was also just the #1 issue in Nova Scotia's recent election down here.]
Some of what the Right is running into the fact that they sold magic pixie dust to people, and then were in office long enough that their failures can't be blamed elsewhere. Which is to say, they've long been lying, and are beginning to be found out. Their grand claim has always been that most of Government was waste. Which they would cut. And then, that the private sector could do and do better the main remaining functions. And that - freed up from the State - the private sector would give us all more consumer goods, fabulous getaway holidays in the sun, and... freedom. In other words, they promised more + MORE... for less. But then, given time, they're flailing. As in Kansas.
And their only responses were to double-down on precisely the agenda the Republicans and Conservatives have been promoting since the 80's. Cut taxes to the rich. Sell off government assets. Starve welfare state functions like pensions, education, etc. Expand the military. Hate on foreigners. Stuff women back into the pantry. And shout about God, the Flag and the Confederacy.
Now, as a wild-eyed green-activist-progressive-etc., the fact that people eventually get tired of loud-mouthed liars - or at least 5% of swing voters do - isn't really all that great a result, frankly. It doesn't really set out much of an agenda beyond the core welfare state we've all come to know and be frustrated by these past, oh, 4 decades or so.
Which is where your second thesis comes in. Why the rising dissatisfaction? Why aren't we happy? Well, let me test-drive - top of head only - a few thoughts:
1. I think there's a real case that while we have more jobs again, the pay sucks. And that means relative decline versus the idealized middle class [or the rich], whichever we focus on. In short, there are still some rather gaping holes in the traditional cloth we've been promised.
2. Meaning. I've kindof been on this track all my life, maybe right, maybe wrong, but "happiness" has never been a great measure of what makes people tick in my books. [i.e. Viktor Frankl had something going on.] Insofaras it meshes with meaning, "happiness" may be useful. But social sciencey academics have shied away from meaning, and clung to happiness - and wrongly so, I think. Just because it's downright impossible to measure meaning, whereas with "happiness" you could lash it to consumer spending and a few other "goods" and be away to the races.
And indeed, being from old redneck, religious, white, rural, economic declining stock, I think this is part of what people are trying to analyse out there in Rural America. It's not just "economic decline." And not just "racism." Or "ignorance." It's that there's not much goddamn reason, not much passion, not much life purpose out there in much of Rural world anymore. You're not nobly working the farm, the woods or the mines. You're not marching to war, or seeing people get saved for the first time, or beating down the evils of drink, or outrunning the smokies, or whatever the fuck you did that kept you excited about rural life back in the day. Shit, when I go home, it's largely to a world of crack and oxy and decaying houses and teeth. And lives. [And I don't mean this as something that is only affecting others, I can walk through my family members with this.]
And I think we see a similar story in the cities, only it's sliced up differently. There, you hear it as suburban kids who can't nearly reach where their parents were - the Millennials. What's their reason for happiness? Rebellion? Getting a degree and a good job? Getting a car and a house? etc.
We're in a West now where religion is just not working like it did. Where Nationalism has paled. Where the belief in onward and upward in an ever-rising economic arc of Progress isn't there.
It's not just a loss of faith in our "institutions," which can magically be rebuilt by Civics classes [seriously], it's the wider and deeper culture and purpose and vision that those things grew out of.
3. Finally, I think we now have an ever-growing portion of the population who have taken on the new post-60's, post-modern values. As each cohort ages out, and each new one grows up, the numbers of people holding to values around the Earth, around Women, around the Equality of Races, around the nonsense of Violence, well... though it may feel like they were pretty insignificant when Brexit won and Trump won, I think they're sitting right in the gut of an awful lot of people. Think of the Women's March - perhaps the single best, and most surprising, and most hopeful thing I've seen in years.
Now, add to that the "threshold" idea - which I think is both a good, and an obvious one. So we see:
Add those constituencies together, anomalous grab-bag though it might appear to create, and I would say you have what Bernie and Corbyn were trying to form into something coherent. [And Trump.]
And for these people, if these hits have knocked them over a threshold, then incremental change doesn't feel like it offers much.
/end blather
by Q (not verified) on Sat, 06/10/2017 - 8:27pm
I disagree, what you wrote, It's not blather! Very fine, very organized big picture. And thank you for the bravery of the last two words of this sentence I would say you have what Bernie and Corbyn were trying to form into something coherent. [And Trump.] They are all born of one general zeitgeist. I think leaving those two words out misses the whole ball game of where we are at. Been trying to get others here to see that. It's just hopeful to me to see someone else sees similar, that I'm not thinking crazy. Because, probably unlike a lot of others here, maybe you included, I've never had hopes to change anything except for myself, using the following equation: knowledge = power (think on only only makes good decisions in life when one has strong knowledge of wassup.)
You are espcially eloquent on point # 2. I am convinced it's very real now. And so well described by you as far as "flyover country" or rural is concerned.
But we've been there, done something similar after WWII? (i.e, "Is God dead?") Goes in cycles?
by artappraiser on Sun, 06/11/2017 - 12:06am
Conservatives have talked down education as just being a den of leftist thought, while placing military as the honorable alternative (suppor the troops, tho a lot of these trenchant conservatives have never served a day). They don't provide solutions, or reasonable alternatives, but somehow their persuasion gets through to Joe Cracker where it shouldn't. Why? Makes him feel good somehow, us vs. them fight?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 06/11/2017 - 1:55am
Thanks for this Q. Yes to most of it. Plays into some things Artappraiser has been saying about the newer values taking over.
"Meaning" is what I was trying to get at with the more binary descriptions in terms of feeling engaged or attuned, empowered or enfranchised or in the flow. And I was saying it in response to some of AA's comments about the current disconnect between near full-employment and radical politics on both wings. Basically there needs to be a sense of hope, of where one's individual efforts can build to, of where collective efforts can build up to in terms of a meaningful future. And hopping from one internship and one network building unpaid gig to the short-term consultant contract isn't going to give shape to the former as much as the current centrist "resistance" politics isn't going to give shape to anything concrete other than a future somehow without this or that asshole right-winger. Not a millennial, but none of mainstream politics makes any kind of sense to me. Bernie and Trump both become vessels for people's frustrations by just being shouty grumps calling out mainstream politics as bullshit. Bernie is however less of a fascist, imho. And he is creating at least some of a positive movement with all the left-wing engagement in terms of separate networks of electoral candidates.
Hope all is well with you up in the north!!
p.s. I will look into Frankl. Let me know if you have any other interesting ideas off the beaten track.
by Obey on Sun, 06/11/2017 - 1:42pm
One thing that hit me right away reading your comment: I suspect that millenials would not cotton to being life-long loyal IBM men to give their life "purpose" either. If they learned anything from the Don Draper "narrative" which most probably know quite well. Especially as they grew up with the whole "start up" narrative where the Gates-Steve Jobs-Zuckerberg-Musk follows his idiosyncratic dream. Individualism is like written into their D.N.A.? The hope is always to do "it" on the internet, attracting people you don't know to your own narrative. Hives form but they aren't meant to last long, things coalesce and shit. On just one topic, issue, like "Girls Who Code." (This is why the anti-Trump women's march was so amazing, it truly was the greatest flash mob of all time so far.) I don't get a sense where one can find "meaning" from that. Is in Lena Dunning's writings, she's become one of the successes and her answer on finding meaning is still that the only meaning of life is you just live it.
Now this is one is truly babble, but I am going to hit send anyways, just in case there's some there there for someone else.
by artappraiser on Sun, 06/11/2017 - 2:24pm
I was thinking re: LInkedIn this morning that with all the announcements of breakthrough tech here, breakthrough business strategy there, it translates to say a half million people working in an Amazon warehouse or a call center or something else not terrible attractive even though not terribly dangerous or hazardous either. For all its faults, maybe the coal mine and factory were better, more inspiring, more movie hero-like in some way, life's drama. Of course the janitor at NASA who was "helping put a man on the moon" redefined his own narrative, but that's also putting a man on the moon, not coming up with a new app for speed dating or putting taxi drivers out of work.
Is anyone really "individual" any more? wait, let me check my Facebook feed, I can answer that myself....
I also see the Eurotrash backpackers of yore turned into the kind of middle class mundane travelers that the Catcher in the Rye guy worried about becoming - they have all the details of their travel worked out, even the map's on smartphone with a data connection, they have recs for which places they should see or things to do. It's a world away from my hopping a plane with not enough money and knowing next to zilch about where I'm going, not even where I'd stay or how to survive. Granted there's probably a happy medium, but I don't see the romance in the current trends, and at some point we still need romance or we'll create more drama just because.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 06/11/2017 - 2:35pm
you really hit on something with the word "romance" methinks, that really pegs a lot of things for me.
I see it in the art market, I been told it straight out by more than a few millenials, they like romantic narratives. They prefer illustration art with romantic themes to any other kind. I am talking someone like a wacky Korean American wannabe artist, she paints abstract but loves her some Norman Rockwell or N.C. Wyeth. Us oldsters have been gobmacked by this: they give a shit about connoisseurship, they want romantic narrative, they want romantic images. And it is all about the image, not the process. And I am not talking the bodice-ripper definition of the word, though that would also appy, yes precisely: heroic coal miners would work the meme too.
Edit to add: this has clearly in my mind filtered from the masses up, it is not top down. To the point where the Russian oligarch type will pay a pretty penny at auction for the type of art that stirs the millenial heart, he wants a "good image" above all, because he can see that is what has already been crowd approved.
by artappraiser on Sun, 06/11/2017 - 2:59pm
This cross-link belongs on this subthread:
Can flyover country share the prosperity of Silicon Valley? The AOL billionaire is making it his cause
I'll go beyond the theme of the article and point out that it's two independent-minded pols going non-partisan here at the top of the article: Nebraska Senator Ben Sasse, a first-term Republican, and Ro Khanna, a newly elected Democratic congressman representing Silicon Valley
I think this is what a majority of voters including millenials really want, at least temporarily while waiting for
meaning to come back to lifeGodot: types like these guys moving away from the standard old big party platforms, looking to the future. They don't like either party platform as is. It's like the famous old chant from a MASH episode: we want something else! Including Trump swings, they wanted something else. Obama managed to win re-election through styming attempts to paint him as Joe Liberal DNC all his presidency. I dare say even Hillary probably would have avoided her end downfall had she renounced DNC sooner, though she would have still been very polarizing only because of the al; the misfortunes of her past history with this country, how she had been so thoroughly labeled. Her history would have enabled continuing polarization, mostly by conservative and faux media dragging up old memes for sure. The big party platforms are so unappealing because they are simply repeating old polarizing paradigms that don't fit people anymore. There is nothing to be passionate about because the narrative of I, individual voter, doesn't feel he/she fits in those square pegs the party is offering. Like "white male" or "soccer mom"/by artappraiser on Sun, 06/11/2017 - 4:46pm
Rust belt Gov. Kasich seems to be seeing this, getting this too:
John Kasich Sounds Like He's Over The Republican Party
Note that Dagblogger Richard Day comments on that thread that he likes Kasich, he could deal with Kasich. What more do you need to know? Yes, it's on personality and the personality says: I'm not a party guy, I don't march in lockstep with these crazy old parties and old polarizations, I look to the future.
by artappraiser on Sun, 06/11/2017 - 4:53pm
Hold it ... Kris Kobach and Kansas...
We serve whites only - No Spanish or Mexicans
Kris Kobach launches campaign for Kansas governor KC Star | June 8, 2017
~OGD~
by oldenGoldenDecoy on Sat, 06/10/2017 - 6:34pm
So Q's comment got me thinking about Thomas Frank's famous 2004 book What's the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America. So I went to google to see if he's piped in with his two cents. And surprise, what I found was this:
by artappraiser on Sun, 06/11/2017 - 12:31am
Interesting. Too many thoughts, but one jumps out - why is Germany doing so well, along with many other socialist-capitalist EU countries, and why such an enemy? Maybe Merkel's insistence on Syrian immigrants, but is that it?
Also thinking the road to kill smoking will anger a lot of people on the way to an excellent end - what will people do with their hands during ling hiurs of pub time (drinking continuously is dangerous and not drinking or smoking for an hour is unlikely), plus what replaces smoke breaks?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 06/11/2017 - 1:47am
Reporting for you from the front lines on the smoking issue. I'm a smoker so all the time outside buildings in NYC I not only see who are my compadres in my evil habit, but chat and bond with them. Because we are shunned we bond, apart from everyone else. In NYC the 23% or so diehard smokers that can't be cracked are very much working class or have the down-to-earthness of having come from a working class background. Very much non elite.
When in Manhattan, and other big cities, this much is also clear: lots of foreigners of the type who can afford to be tourists are part of our gang, not working class, need a light, will join in the chat. Asian and European and Brit...
I like to call this phenomenon neue pow-wow.
Edit to add: That said, been to raves and such with the youngsters where smoking tobacco (and most definitely not the electronic version of nicotine, they use electronic means only for hookah style parties) seems to be the next black. It is radical, is clearly why. And the elite celebs have picked up on that, as with the controversial selfies of the crew smoking in the ladies' room at the Met Museum Fashion Gala. The "streets up" thing is definitely operative here.
by artappraiser on Sun, 06/11/2017 - 2:40pm
I learned a long time ago to join smokers on smoke breaks or I'd lose out on the power decisions and useful bonding. But if the smokers aren't smoking, what will happen to this centuries-old ritualistic engagement?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 06/11/2017 - 2:38pm