MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
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"I Served in Congress Longer Than Anyone. Here’s How to Fix It."
By artappraiser on Tue, 12/04/2018 - 11:11am |By John D. Dingel (Represented Michigan in Congress for over 59 years) @ TheAtlantic.com, Dec. 4
Abolish the Senate and publicly fund elections.
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by artappraiser on Tue, 12/04/2018 - 9:56pm
Changing the Constitution & government structure to fix temporary political problems is a bad idea.
I recall Nunes in the House being more a problem than Chuck Grassley in the Senate - and Gingrich's House majority was pretty awful - blowing up the Senate will make that better somehow?
Though dropping number of Senators to 1 for states with population less than 1% of the nation should be easier than killing the Senate completely. Whether those seats should then go to California, Texas, New York to have 3 Senators, or simply leave the Senate as 80 rather than 100? Dunno.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 12/05/2018 - 3:28am
I agree about "bad idea", actually I just thought it shocking news in itself that someone with his background would be saying such things outloud.
by artappraiser on Wed, 12/05/2018 - 10:27am
Someone noted a phrase in the constitution that prohibits changing a state's senate representation w/o consent
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 12/05/2018 - 12:36pm
The senate is extremely undemocratic. Your suggestion simply makes it slightly less extremely undemocratic. What ever might be done to change that, including your suggestion, would require changing the constitution.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 12/05/2018 - 8:41pm
The test in the future will be when 70% of the country lives in 17 states and the direction of the country is still controlled by a minority of citizens. We are reaching a tipping point.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 12/05/2018 - 8:51pm
Krugman calls it Senate America, by 2035 some estimates are 15 states will have 70% of the population and 30 senators. These states will be the engines of the nation's creativity and economy. The Senate is the most powerful legislative and ideological body as they confirm judges and the Supreme Court.
Conversely, 30% of the population, the most rural, white, poor and uneducated, will have 70 senators. That does not give effective government it leads to "the complete collapse in respect for virtually every institution of government and an unprecedented cynicism about the nobility of public service itself. (Dingell)
The 2 senators per state is a slave state undemocratic shackle on our democracy. Along with the 10th amendment, the "states sovereignty" power bs which was also a 1778 shill to slave states perpetuation of their white supremacy.....
by NCD on Wed, 12/05/2018 - 10:59pm
1) of interest, "The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures." - so it could still be done if the legislatures of the 34 most populous states approved.
2) Just in case someone thinks the South benefits from this Senate arrangement, the least populated states are:
Wyoming
Vermont
Alaska
North Dakota
South Dakota
Delaware
Montana
Rhode Island
Maine
New Hampshire
Hawaii
Idaho
West Virginia
Nebraska
New Mexico
Kansas
Mississippi
...
So you have to get to the 13th smallest state to find a quasi-souther state (West Virginia), and 17th is finally a deep south state.
The last census before independence, the ranking of colonies from least to most was:
Georgia 23,375
Delaware 35,496
Rhode Island 58,196
New Hampshire 62,396
New Jersey 117,431
South Carolina 124,244
New York 162,920
Connecticut 183,881
North Carolina 197,200
Maryland 202,599
Massachusetts 235,308
Pennsylvania 240,057
Virginia 447,016
[2.4 million total in the colonies in 1775]
Breaking out slave & non-slave:
https://userpages.umbc.edu/~bouton/History407/SlaveStats.htm
(presuming Delaware wasn't really a southern state)
you see that the North benefitted as much from this *Senate* arrangement as
did the south - New Hampshire, Rhode Island vs Georgia & South Carolina,
with Delaware somewhere in the middle with only 3000 slaves, 93% white.
Estimated Population 1780 StatePopulationBlackPct. BlackWhitePct. White
North
New York210,70121,05410189,64790
NewJersey139,62710,4607.5129,16792.5
Pennsylvani327,8057,8552.4319,95097.6
Connecticut206,7015,8852.8200,81697.2
Rhode Islan52,9462,671550,27595
NewHamps87,8025410.687,26199.4
Massachuse268,6274,8221.8263,80598.2
Total1,294,20953,2884.11,240,92195.9
South
Virginia538,004220,58241317,42259
South Caroli180,00097,00053.983,00046.1Maryland245,47480,51532.8164,95967.2
NorthCaroli270,13891,00033.7179,13866.3Georgia56,07120,83137.235,24062.8
Delaware45,3852,9966.642,38993.4
Total1,335,072512,92438.4822,14861.6
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 12/06/2018 - 6:19am
The South had roughly 66% of the white people in the possible voting pool compared to the North. The South got much more benefit from the deal.
Edit to add:
Larger states question why small states like Iowa and New Hampshire play such a large role in Presidential elections, so the debate is not pure North-South.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 12/06/2018 - 8:42am
I'm really getting bored doing basic math with you. The southern colonies (excluding Delaware but including Maryland) were 5 states so got 10 Senators of 26 (38%) with 40% of the white population. Including blacks, they got 38% of the Senators with over half the population.
[drop Maryland & you're talking about Virginia, North Carolina, & 3 tiny states)
Also note that massive cotton-based slavery, thus population hadn't been born yet because the cotton gin hadn't been born, so somehow NCD's also claiming the folks down south could predict the radical change of the economy in 15 years from this invention while negotiating the Constitution.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 12/06/2018 - 8:53am
Let’s just leave the chart as is. In the North, 14 Senators for 1.2 M. In the South, 12 Senators for 800K. In the North, 1 Senator for 88K. In the South 1 Senator for 68K (excluding nonvoting slaves). Today in California, we have 1 Senator for 20M and in Wyoming. 1 Senator for under 300K
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 12/06/2018 - 10:06am
No, let's don't - Delaware didn't behave as a southern state,
and the history of slavery there was dissimilar from southern states.
http://slavenorth.com/delaware.htm
My point that NCD's contention that the arrangement for Senators
was a "sop" to the south is I believe untenable.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 12/06/2018 - 11:45am
What about the 2035 projection that 70 Senators will represent just 30% of the country?
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 12/06/2018 - 12:34pm
Yep, colonists boffed that one after 260 yrs, but if you recall senators weren't evn elected until 1913 - they were the states' representatives. May have worked better.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 12/06/2018 - 1:07pm
So no real comment on the projected 2035 quagmire?
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 12/06/2018 - 3:25pm
It's getting more and more creepy reading your neo-Marxist Party analysis that seems to depend on numerology and other cult party claptrap masquerading as a search for more democracy while undermining the protections necessary to prevent one party mob rule. The endless race baiting is despicable and laughable at the same time, depicting the poor folks in flyover country as uneducated non productive and only politically motivated by racism.
The Blue People's Republics are where the vast majority of the poor and uneducated of all races congregate with the third way elites to propagate more collectivist mob rule. The Globalist open-borders Party can't wait to bring in millions more poorer and even less educated mobs to boost their representation and power in congress. Seven in ten of these immigrants are already on some form of the dole in the once great state of California which is now competing with Michigan and Alabama for the worst economic and unemployment numbers. Is this the quagmire your party plans to spread and inflict on the rest of the country?
by Peter (not verified) on Thu, 12/06/2018 - 5:08pm
One party mob rule number one is don't talk about one party mob rule.
What are you doing, man!?! You can't let the libtards see the big board.
Try to emulate those of our leaders who model some semblance of discipline.
by crackpot (not verified) on Thu, 12/06/2018 - 7:31pm
RAKE THE FOREST! Finish the WALL! DIG coal! WITCH HUNT! FAKE NEWS! Enemy of
LIESTHE PEOPLE! Where's your piggy bank? I wouldn't kill reporters! Lock her up! Only the best people! TARIFF MAN! Stable GENIUS! Suffering tapes ! LOVE LETTERS from KIM!by NCD on Thu, 12/06/2018 - 9:49pm
Lol. Peter is unaware that Alabama and Michigan are captives of the GOP. Michigan Republicans poisoned black people and the Republican legislature is trying to carry out a coup. His rants are entertaining. Thanks for adding to the laughter.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 12/06/2018 - 10:34pm
Sorry, Crack but I can't take your advice, for the game is afoot. It's the time to loose the truth as Roger Stone did today aiming powerful bolts directly at the mob and its enablers.
by Peter (not verified) on Thu, 12/06/2018 - 11:18pm
The only mob boss is signaling that Stone’s guts will result in a Presidential pardon.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 12/06/2018 - 11:41pm
I shouldn't have dissed Alabama and Michigan by comparing them with Cali, both seem to be enjoying growth under Trump who they helped elect. Alabama only returned to republican control in 2010 after 136 years under the party of the Klan. Michigan just elected a dem governor and hopefully she won't destroy the advances achieved under Snyder. She's spouting mob rhetoric about building bridges not walls but the immigrant horde at the border will probably choose the ruins of LA over the ruins of Detroit.
Roger Stone avoided Mueller's perjury trap and won't need a pardon but was happy to hear a word of encouragement from his old pal the Hegemon.The counteroffensive has begun and many of the rats from the previous administration are wishing they still had friends in high places because Trump won't be offering them pardons.
by Peter (not verified) on Fri, 12/07/2018 - 1:59am
Peter: Pay no attention to what I said. I went off script. My paycheck is gonna shrink because I initially told the truth about Michigan and Alabama. Typical Trump supporter, gibberish.
Edit to add:
Your handlers may tell you to change your message about Trump as Mueller closes in. Tucker Carlson got the memo and says Trump is not capable
https://www.weltwoche.ch/ausgaben/2018-49/artikel/trump-is-not-capable-die-weltwoche-ausgabe-49-2018.html
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 12/07/2018 - 6:58am
Well, hoping Alabama can get rid of those socialist schools and get back to cotton picking, pig farming and steel smelting - God's type of manly work that doesn't need these liberal bastions of miseducation. Oh yes, football too, as carrying a pigskin builds character for the kind of non-intellectual pursuits that suit their culture. BTW, the official fish of Alabama is the Largemouth Bass, which should fit in perfectly with Trump's style as well. Maybe he can also shut down that Washington's godless TVA project too - floods are God's way of thumping the sinful, and interfering with his work is blasphemy.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 12/07/2018 - 6:59am
They don't pick much cotton in the Heart of Dixie anymore but they do build Mercedes, Hondas, Airbuses, spaceships, stainless steel. and electric boats. My grandpa was born there, in a POW camp, as was my Dad and me and they were both Southern Republicans and despised the Party of The Klan. I grew up in Michigan among the Blue Bellies when it was an industrial powerhouse and am glad to see that decimated economy rebounding under MAGA. Both of these states have major problems but they both seem to be heading in the right direction unlike the People's Republic of Moonbeams.
by Peter (not verified) on Fri, 12/07/2018 - 12:23pm
Your handlers gave you new talking points yesterday it was:
“competing with Michigan and Alabama for the worst economic and unemployment numbers.”
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 12/07/2018 - 12:44pm
Seriously? Trump's tariff war is helping GM cut 14,000 jobs and now Ford's looking at cutting 25,000.
https://www.thestreet.com/investing/ford-restructuring-layoffs-could-dwa...
You're awfully forgiving to wanton fuckups. Alabama's just digging out of a recession that started with George W Bush crashing the economy starting 2007 - look at the graphs in this piece:
https://www.al.com/expo/news/erry-2018/10/da8a06a5a64860/8-charts-that-e...
But you and your crazy brethren want to blame Obama and liberals for massive irresponsible shit done under Bush. Own it - not watching the banks and mortgages and Fannie Mae and the plight of Detroit's Big 3 was a total clusterfuck owned by Republicans. (And I bet Alabama does real well with Trump's braindead tariff war as well - look for layoffs next quarter).
Meanwhile how's CA doing? Ran the crooked incompetent GOP out.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 12/07/2018 - 1:43pm
The auto industry changes happening now have nothing to do with tariffs but are the result of Americans buying more SUV's and trucks than sedans. This helps Alabama's SUV producers but is forcing GM, Ford and FC to reorganize their production mix. Trump is giving GM the stink-eye and encouraging them to bring some of their truck production back to the US to ease the transition for their workers.
The obvious reason for this shift to trucks and SUV's is our fast developing oil and gas output and low prices. Great news from the USGS today that they have verified the largest oil and gas play in history in the Permian Basin, partly in my state. Another 36 billion barrels of recoverable reserves which means our energy dominance is assured and will fire and lubricate our economy into the future.
With the EU crumbling and Paris in flames you might qualify for refugee status and be allowed to return to the Greatest Show on Earth so long as tou learn a little humility.
by Peter (not verified) on Fri, 12/07/2018 - 4:46pm
Snow piles in June? Thanks, no thanks. Paris riots dont much affect me.
Did Trump drill that oil? Thought he just went for public lands & coastal waters.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 12/07/2018 - 6:08pm
George Friedman at Stratfor has some worrying analysis and opinions about the political and economic climate in Europe today and it appears there are some real storms on the near horizon. Europe is the world's smallest continent so you are never that far from Paris. I'm sure there are lovely places to live there when the Germans or Russians aren't crushing you under the treads of their tanks.
Trump lifted some of the excessive regulatory and administrative burden from the oil and gas industry which helps to keep their profits up and our costs down. Gas in some places is about $2/gal but not Cali, what do you pay?
by Peter (not verified) on Sat, 12/08/2018 - 12:03am
Not exactly on topic but worth sharing:
by artappraiser on Wed, 12/05/2018 - 7:51pm
Struck me as belonging here for some reason. Give wingers like Coulter the world and they complain they ain't got the universe.
by artappraiser on Thu, 12/06/2018 - 3:55am
Snow piles in June? Thanks, no thanks. Paris riots dont much affect me I'll take my chances.
Did Trump drill that oil? Thought he just went for public lands & coastal waters.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 12/07/2018 - 6:10pm
George Friedman at Stratfor has some worrying analysis and opinions about the political and economic climate in Europe today and it appears there are some real storms on the near horizon. Europe is the world's smallest continent so you are never that far from Paris. I'm sure there are lovely places to live there when the Germans or Russians aren't crushing you under the treads of their tanks.
Trump lifted some of the excessive regulatory and administrative burden from the oil and gas industry which helps to keep their profits up and our costs down. Gas in some places is about $2/gal but not Cali, what do you pay?
Peter (not verified)
by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 12/08/2018 - 12:46am
I usually take the tram, metro or bus - it's Europe - we have real public transport so don't have to burn gas for no reason. I'm not a big fan of Mideast wars.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 12/08/2018 - 1:57am
Europe's trams, buses and trains run on Saudi oil, Polish coal, Russian gas and a big dose of socialist tax. There is no escaping the rising costs or the irony of rising CO2 emissions. Macron tried to dump his failure to meet the globalist IPCC mandates on the Yellow Jacket deplorables who can't ride the rails paid for with their already high taxes. The Vichy mamma's boy is hiding in his palace while the YJ deplorables are showing the world not all the French are surrender monkeys The contagion is spreading with Allied Deplorables marching on Macron's socialist masters in their palace in Brussels.
Northern Europe is stuck in the Great Recession while Southern Europe is stuck in a permanent Depression. Add to this millions of unassimilated sectarian refugees in their no-go-zones and you have a looming train wreck that could set much of Europe on fire.
by Peter (not verified) on Sat, 12/08/2018 - 12:21pm
The only reason Trump had not been indicted is because the DOJ doesn’t think that a sitting President can be indicted.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 12/08/2018 - 12:36pm
Not quite sure what jive you're shucking, buy Europe's rejection of fracking is hurting it. Solar and wind are great, but not in the short-term, and the German decision to abandon nuclear was premature.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 12/08/2018 - 12:54pm
Solar and wind may be great for the few who profit by making it but not so great for the many who are forced to use it and pay for it. The globalist elite love it because it drives their collectivist agenda and virtue signaling. The Germans are learning this reality when they see their excess solar/wind power, produced at the wrong time, given away for free while they are charged more and more for the power they need when they need it.
I'm not alone in shucking away the Green camouflage from the Club of Rome agenda exposing its true colours and that's no jive.
by Peter (not verified) on Sat, 12/08/2018 - 3:18pm
No, you're mangling it. The only problem with wind and solar is it's too small still, but they've bent the price curve wonderfully the last 3 years. Australia's talking about saving huge amounts of money with new battery storage infrastructure that delivers the power when people need it. I've talked to German power companies who are redoing their grid to handle plus contribution nets - homes and businesses selling back their own unused renewable energy. Again, it's just not enough yet to dent fossil fuels, and electric cars are still too few. But mid- and long-term, it's great and needed
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 6:20pm
Fracking 2.0
http://time.com/5187074/fracking-energy-oil-natural-gas/
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 7:02pm
PP, did you see this (I ran across it and thought of posting it here but then thought again: Peter ain't gonna take any French gummint report seriously, so why bother) But now that you are getting into it, just a ICYMI:
by artappraiser on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 7:15pm
Will note before I read it that I'm highly skeptical.
Also, there could be a new generation of liquid-based nuclear that the French would excel at.
Covering Bourgogne, Biscayne & Bretagne with windfarms?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 7:58pm
http://www.mining.com/web/viable-alternative-lng/ ???
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 8:06pm
I'm pretty sure they're way underestimating the deployment costs for millions of solar & wind installations, including land costs for these farms (& the unsightly mess as it grows), etc., etc.
Try this one to see part of the problem:
How many major nuclear accidents over 60 years - 3? How many dead? Compare that with fatalities in global oil operations & transport, Mideast wars, et al. Along with the next to 0 greenhouse gas emissions from nuclear. Ain't computing for me. Sure, with a better grid we can build plants farther away from populations. It's much cheaper to revitalize nuclear plants than to build new ones (though some risk, but for sure regulatory hurdles are much fewer).
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 12/12/2018 - 3:39am
view from the eyes of a relative newbie:
by artappraiser on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 4:13pm
It's possible that making some changes to house processes might have a marginal effect but that's not the problem. I think it's obvious what the problem is though you'll never get a republican to admit it. Republicans are so afraid of being primaried by someone more conservative they are unwilling to compromise at all. There's numerous examples but the Rubio immigration bill is emblematic. Four democrats and four republicans got together and came up with a compromise bill that I hated because it was so far skewed to the right. Rubio fought and struggled to get support from the republicans until he finally gave up and to protect his own election chances came out against his own bill. This was a bill that I thought was so conservative that I could barely support it. It was barely a compromise. But it wasn't the democrats that killed immigration reform. Republicans are completely unwilling to compromise. Until that changes no amount of rule or process change will end the gridlock.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 5:57pm