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"It’s Nancy Pelosi’s Parade" (Maureen reports after having lunch with Nancy)
By artappraiser on Sat, 07/06/2019 - 8:58pm |URL:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/06/opinion/sunday/nancy-pelosi-pride-parade.html
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by artappraiser on Sat, 07/06/2019 - 9:16pm
Maureen Dowd? A vat of vomit waiting to explode. I'm sure she'll love trying to create a Dem catfight. Ignore her and what she wroughts.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 07/07/2019 - 1:00am
You really think Nancy Pelosi is so naive about what Maureen would wrought? Really? Nancy doesn't have to say yes to any interview, she chose to sit down and do one with Dowd.
by artappraiser on Sun, 07/07/2019 - 3:09am
Ok, I see Jennifer Rubin loves it. Methinks maybe this is the target of Nancy's sitdown with Maureen: suburban Republican wimmin:
I.E. No worries: radical brats your Fox-News-watching husband is trying to scare you about? Nancy's got em under control, put em in their place.
by artappraiser on Sun, 07/07/2019 - 3:19am
Actually you got me to read it, and 1) yeah, Pelosi knows what she's doing sitting down with MoDo, and 2) Pelosi couldn't have written the interview better herself. (except that ingratiating Irish bit, but I guess that was MoDo's payoff).
So am I suburban Republican woman, or is there something more to Pelosi's demographics going into the primaries? I think it's OceanKat that likes to note that moderates won the Nov midterms more than the riled up liberals.
I'd guess this is why Pelosi's speaking now - winning the mini-battles and losing the war against the conservative megalith seems a true possibility. We're back to the "win Trump loses" wishful thinking scenario. The Fat Lady hasn't sung by any means. And to have all the candidates turning to huge fantasy issues is likely going to give Republicans a lot of "big spending libruls" cant to run on. Seriously, combine this with how Trump is holding on to evangelicals - the more we fight the culture wars, the more they entrench - is this th way we win? WWI they spent years in those trenches, not coming to their sanity but simply had to be beat bad enough to end it.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 07/07/2019 - 3:36am
You talking to me? The only sloganeering/preaching I've done since the days of Tom Delay weaponizing culture warring is: just say no to culture wars in politics. Politically, conservatives win every time they happen.
Problem with Trump is that culture wars is all he's got, it's all his fans want and he's a narcissist so he'll keep doing it, and he's president. So one gets dragged in unless one ignores the president (who is supposed to be a federal government manager and not a political or cultural warrior.)
You can't change culture by force of law so why even go there? For most, the results of culture warring in politics conjures up nanny state or worse, Orwell. To no good end, just distraction. As long as we've got the same Constitution, which is based on "live and let live" of 13 very culturally different colonies.
by artappraiser on Sun, 07/07/2019 - 11:15am
I thought about Pelosi's comments longer and she's basically thinking along the same lines and it's not unlike what Biden was trying to do with the "working with the segregationists" point. She's working with the reality of an entire Congress in the here and now. AOC and social media savants are trying to change culture bottom up. The only ones who have shown they can actually work social media to change things in the here and now are Russian trolls, and maybe not even them, maybe they just caused chaos. When you are a Congressperson, gestures get you re-elected but may not win anything. I.E., where is the Green New Deal going? It's basically a meme is all. Pelosi is talking logistics of current reality and the unholy compromises you have to make as a Congressperson to form coalitions to make bills that actually get enacted into law at the current time.
It actually brings up a side thought for me about the way Congress is set up. The House is there more to do this practical making of sausage. The Senate has more leeway to do the inspirational oratory, rile up the troops,push big ideas, same as the kidz are trying to do now on social media. Yeah there have always been ideological caucuses in the House to push certain memes, but in the end, they just also end up doing the sausage making, just with a bigger power of a group.
This tweet is fun:
by artappraiser on Sun, 07/07/2019 - 11:55am
Aargh, the case is also that there is always someone on Twitter that can say what took me a gazillion words to say in a single tweet:
Edit to add others that caught my eye just now:
by artappraiser on Sun, 07/07/2019 - 12:07pm
Reminded again today that Bill Clinton was impeached and left office more popular with his tribe and the public than ever. Do people want Trump to have that kind of glory? Because it could easily happen if not careful.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 07/07/2019 - 12:11pm
Was thinking that I still stand by my opinion that Ilhan Omar is a clueless sap mostly making herself available to feed conservative culture warring. OAC is far savvier, i.e., the reachout to Ted Cruz. Fox et. al. know AOC is far savvier, too, more dangerous. Omar does agitprop, she's trying to learn but I just see earnest naivete about all of this and culture warriors eating her for lunch. I've seen commentary by her older savvier supporters back home in "the community" being disappointed by her cluelessness and inability to drop the zealotry shtick.
by artappraiser on Sun, 07/07/2019 - 12:21pm
Uh, the opening line was to you, the rest was more rhetorical, similar to your followup posts/tweet quotes - basically trying to analyze the landscape.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 07/07/2019 - 12:08pm
yeah I know, was just doing DeNiro funning...
by artappraiser on Sun, 07/07/2019 - 12:11pm
Ah, I ain't no Jake LaMotta. Wretched Bull perhaps.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 07/07/2019 - 12:12pm
Shaun King no likey:
by artappraiser on Sun, 07/07/2019 - 3:00am
Shaun King has been pretty gross himself for some time, pretending to speak for all black people, etc.
Looking at AOC's response, it's actually pretty mild compared to some of her playfully vicious takedowns:
"That public 'whatever' is called public sentiment. And wielding the power to shift it is how we actually achieve meaningful change in this country."
Except if that liberal public sentiment is much smaller than the center-left sentiment, and the latter's power produces many more votes in Congress, well, that's more where the "meaningful change" will come from, even though minority views can have greater influence on debates than their numbers might warrant.
Democrats still don't have a clear "how to manage immigration responsibly without throwing open the borders" platform. The INS/ICE abuse gives them cover for still not knowing how to talk to Americans. Look at the NIMBY link in the News section to see how those with a toehold will begrudge any sign of social giveaway.
The free college loan forgiveness balloon was awful - "we don't have a real plan with real-world limits, so we'll just pander".
The impeachment thing - how exactly do we *PLAN* on getting a conviction out of the Senate, or are we just thinking a House impeachment that leaves Trump gloating and defiant in office is somehow a win?
Since we keep getting butchered on healthcare the last years, what issues will the majority respond to this election cycle?
Etc.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 07/07/2019 - 4:14am
by artappraiser on Wed, 07/10/2019 - 11:57am
Teacher says kids can't throw food in lunchroom. Will this stand?
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 07/10/2019 - 11:58am
This is only fair since centrist and conservative democrats have never ever not even once publicly criticized liberal democrats. They have always been so very very nice, polite, and supportive of their liberal colleagues
by ocean-kat on Wed, 07/10/2019 - 12:15pm
And so Pelosi shouldn't try to manage House Dems? I guess she should just spend her days buying cool sunglasses and impeaching Trump, ayup, all her job calls for.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 07/10/2019 - 2:34pm
Reading comprehension problem much? Or have you been studying strawman creation from rmrd? Well of course she should be putting all her effort into managing the liberal democrats in the house. If at the end of the day she simply doesn't have any time left to manage the conservative democrats that's just the natural order of things.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 07/10/2019 - 2:44pm
Yeah, poor libs been beaten up so bad by conservative Dems while Nancy just looks on, I got your weepy sad tale, even with my limited reading ability. McKayla still not impressed - try harder? Maybe ask rmrd for help with your homework?
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 07/10/2019 - 2:58pm
I get why you were so upset when I mention Lennon's history of dickish behavior. It reflects poorly on your long history of being a dick here.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 07/10/2019 - 3:10pm
Wow, and I thought *I* was the witty one. Guess I'm the good looking one after all. I buried Paul. Oh wait, I am Paul. Or the funny one? goo goo ga joob. Just another day. Don't pass me by. Cuz you know it don't come easy.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 07/10/2019 - 3:54pm
Total dick move.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/12/hong-kongs-lennon-walls-pr...
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 07/12/2019 - 2:41am
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 07/10/2019 - 6:52pm
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 07/10/2019 - 6:55pm
Good on De Bonis for asking! Now everybody knows where Pelosi stands, that it's not just scuttlebutt or something that can be explained away as Dowd spinning it incorrectly.
by artappraiser on Wed, 07/10/2019 - 7:48pm
Insiders have added to the story, viz...following the exit of the press, Pelosi launched into an impromptu karaoke performance, lip synching as follows:
The invidious among the caucus were heard comparing Pelosi's appearance unfavorably to Piaf's. Also praising the French version to the impromptu translation.
by jollyroger on Wed, 07/10/2019 - 11:56pm
Invoking the war years and the occuption, La Résistance - crafty of her. I hear she did a version of Breakfast Club with baguette and café au lait, avec beret, bien sûr. Almost looked like a schoolgirl.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 07/11/2019 - 1:23am
Breakfast Club
Ah yes, The Dance....is there a heart that failed to melt? (don't say Mitch McConnell's everyone knows he has no heart...)
For those few who missed it, here it is:
[fixed your video size - PP]
by jollyroger on Thu, 07/11/2019 - 8:01am
Josh Marshall is seeing this correctly, I think:
And those who are complaining that Nancy is picking on and bullying four new women members of color are playing the race card not very differently than Clarence Thomas did. She's picking on them and bullying them because they have voted in a way and promoted things in a way against her wishes, for chrissake, not because they are young minority women. I am really turned off by those who use the race card trick, and if they had my respect before will probably lose it forever if they do, it's sickening, it's racist in itself, it stokes racism further.
by artappraiser on Thu, 07/11/2019 - 5:11am
You know, they're just speaking up & talking to their constituencies, as they should be.
Not sure why everyone's constantly clutching pearls, including many Dems, but here's how AOC explains it.
(pretty sure she's not one for regrets either):
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 07/11/2019 - 6:42am