MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Thread of tweets by MSNBC reporter/anchor Katy Tur:
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 2:14pm
watch the 35 second video clip of the signing of the executive order re: immigrant families, @ TheHill.com , it's pretty clear he's not going to let the media frame it as a mistake or failure, he's clearly on the way to spinning that he's the one who saved the children after 60 years of do nothing, he's the only one with the political courage to take care of it.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 7:42pm
Trump said that he could not issue an executive order to end family separation. Trump just signed an executive order to stop separating families. The order does not impact the 2300 children already kidnapped. Those are facts. If people only listen to wingnut media, there is nothing that we can do to change their beliefs.
Edit to add:
Another issue here is that law enforcement offered no objections when ordered to kidnap children. We have the excuse “I was only following orders”.
Edit to add
There is a court order from the 1990s that limits the amount of time immigrant juveniles can be held in federal detention. The executive order may be a scam.
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/20/17484546/executive-order-family-separation-flores-settlement-agreement-immigration
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 8:14pm
American and United Airlines refuse to allow ICE to use their planes for relocation of the children
.....United Airlines wants nothing to do with transporting the children of parents who have entered the U.S. illegally and have been separated from their families at the border. Neither does American Airlines......Based on our serious concerns about this policy and how it’s in deep conflict with our company’s values, we have contacted federal officials to inform them that they should not transport immigrant children on United aircraft who have been separated from their parents. Our company’s shared purpose is to connect people and unite the world.”
by NCD on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 9:13pm
Political courage is not selling cruelty as the only tool of persuasion. People who believe that will pretty much believe anything.
I repeat myself.
by moat on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 8:47pm
this >
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 9:03pm
Which is pretty much the definition of a con job.
by moat on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 9:10pm
but wait, there's more, a con too far, irony of ironies; was this really one con too far, or is this a con on a con? whatever, no one would try making this stuff up:
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 9:21pm
When you earn the moral rebuke of Michael Cohen - wow!
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 06/21/2018 - 2:05am
Socrates has got this:
Republic Chap 9, 577
by moat on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 4:20pm
Nice find. And that's without even getting into Plato's Cave, into which Trump has gone as far and deep as any person who has lived before him. May be going for the record? Saying "you couldn't make this up" seems to have lost it's punch.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 5:07pm
Course, this passage is part of Plato's argument against democracy, that is, democracy inevitably leads to tyranny.
by Michael Wolraich on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 5:39pm
but is that not why we have a republic, wasn't it that the founders feared pure populist democracy from studying exactly this stuff?
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 5:54pm
The founders shared Plato's fear of pure democracy, but the republic they designed is very different the state Plato advocated. Republic is actually a misleading translation for the Greek title, Politeia. Plato's "republic" is an aristocracy, albeit one that allows some lower class citizens to advance based on merit.
by Michael Wolraich on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 6:16pm
Xenophon's Anabasis , (circa 400 BC), Waterfield translation, in analogies from incidents in his participation in a failed invasion of Persia, found all three forms of government, democracy, oligarchy and authoritarian, were prone to dissolution or catastrophe.
by NCD on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 10:11pm
Interesting. I've never read Xenophon.
by Michael Wolraich on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 11:43pm
The book I read interpreting and following Xenophon's text is by Greek scholar Robin Waterfield titled, Xenophon's Retreat, Harvard University Press, 2006.
He follows their journey in his research, and has a photo if a knee high unmarked stone cairn that he believes is the one they built when they first spotted the sea, and escaped at last from pursuers. (northern Turkey, Black Sea)
by NCD on Thu, 06/21/2018 - 1:46am
True, Plato argued for the primacy of philosopher/kings.
In terms of the argument in Book Nine, however, the passage quoted has more to do with the argument against Thrasymachus who claimed in Book One that justice was the province of the powerful over the weak.
Republic Book 9, 590
by moat on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 6:45pm
Fair enough. Book 8 concerns government. Book 9, which you quoted, concerns the soul. And Trump is nothing if not a tyrannical soul.
PS Contrast with Obama, who comes close to Plato's ideal of the aristocratic soul
by Michael Wolraich on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 11:33pm
This tweet hits me hard like this: We really are living through a nightmarish news cycle, all due to his crazy way of making up policy and events from temper tantrums, not even listening to his own staff, refusing to learn anything about actualities of current situations, as well as escalating the lying and the flip flopping. He's truly a troll par excellence, with manic depressive tendencies as well as narcissist ones we know for sure. something's got to give:
Edit to add: Another thing that hits me: what happened to that old canard that if there is no stability of leadership and people are unsure of what will happen, the economy will crash?
by artappraiser on Thu, 06/21/2018 - 3:53am