MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
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'An Angry Mob': Republicans work to recast Democratic protests as out-of-control anarchy
By artappraiser on Mon, 10/08/2018 - 10:35pm |The characterization evokes fear of an unknown and out-of-control mass of people, and it taps into grievances about the nation’s fast-moving cultural and demographic shifts that Republicans say are working against them.
By Matt Viser & Robert Costa @ WashingtonPost.com, 2 hrs. ago (headline sory)
When thousands of furious, screaming protesters marched toward the Capitol over the weekend as Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh was confirmed, Republican staffers peered out at the scene from the windows above. They were not alarmed but elated.
Weeks ahead of the midterm elections, Republicans have cast the Trump resistance movement as “an angry mob,” a term used by many of them to describe a faceless amalgamation of forces that they say threaten the country’s order and, they hope, energize their voters. [....] they are casting themselves as defenders at the barricades.
In Virginia, Rep. David Brat (R) is running against the “liberal mob,” and GOP Senate candidate Corey Stewart has decried the “mob tactics” that “tried to destroy” Kavanaugh. “When we’re out at grocery stores or at events, we’re finding swing voters are turned off by how Kavanaugh was treated,” Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.) said. “Chasing senators down the hall, running up the stairs at the Capitol — we’ve been taken aback by how people have reacted to it. And we’re responding.”
The characterization evokes fear of an unknown and out-of-control mass of people, and it taps into grievances about the nation’s fast-moving cultural and demographic shifts that Republicans say are working against them. With its emphasis on the impact on traditional values and white voters, particularly men, it strikes the same notes as earlier Trump-fanned attention to immigrants, MS-13 gang members and African American football players protesting police treatment of young black men.
The new front is a modern incarnation of the law-and-order thrusts Republicans have used before in tough campaigns, most notably 50 years ago, when Richard Nixon used the specter of rioting at the Democratic National Convention to cast the opposing party as the tool of antiwar protesters and violent malcontents [....]
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Also @ WaPo, see:
The Fix/Analysis: President Trump, ‘angry mobs’ and ‘very fine people’
By Eugene Scott
bringing up the Charlottesville torch march, Trump's Charlottesville statements etc. in context of this recent tweet
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/08/2018 - 10:40pm
If you don't recognize the name Jon Favreau below, he was once Obama's favorite speechwriter:
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/08/2018 - 10:44pm
I just did a twitter search for "angry mob" and truth be told, I actually don't see a huge number of GOP using this exact talking point there (and nothing from Fox News, suprisingly) I actually see a ton more liberal pushback about it from ordinary liberal people, like 5 to 1, talking about Trump's usage or one of the few politicians using it. That was after scrolling the search results for like 5 mins. Here is what I ran across of GOP politicians or operatives using it:
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/08/2018 - 11:00pm
If they're so upset about angry mobs protesting why don't they say anything about protesters at abortion clinics? They are much more confrontational there than any of the protests against Kavanaugh.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 10/08/2018 - 11:07pm
by Peter (not verified) on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 9:15am
Don't be an idiot. Everyone has not seen it. Large numbers of people never watch the news. Among those who have seen it some support the protests and some do not. Likely those numbers match poll numbers for Kavanaugh. While special interest groups on the left and the right sometimes pay someone to coordinate group activities the vast majority of conservative and liberal group members involved in protests are not paid.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 2:46pm
by Peter (not verified) on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 4:14pm
I doubt the number you posted without a link. Even if accurate 91% isn't everyone. All non profits are run in a similar manner. Whether conservative or liberal. Doesn't matter if it's political or non political. The owners of the ghost town I work for set up a non profit and it pays my salary to be the caretaker. When non profits get large enough and have sufficient money from donations they hire one or more people to do the required government paperwork and coordinate activities. If there's enough money the non profit pays for lawyers, court costs, and fines. Conservative groups do the same things liberal groups do. Anti abortion groups that protest protect their members with lawyers etc too. This is all in the public record. While some of the information about donations can be undisclosed expenses cannot.
Sometimes liberals will make the same complaints as you about conservative groups. Both are engaged in the same stupid partisan rant. The vast majority of protesters are unpaid volunteers
eta: It's not just after arrests that non profits pay to protect members protesting. Lawyers also give legal counsel to the legal rights of protesters and non protesters. Protests on the right and the left want to be as confrontational as possible. I've been to these sessions with lawyers explaining to the group where that line is. I'm sure anti abortion protesters and tea party groups that protest have been too.
eta: Abortion protesters are arrested all the time. Who do you think pays the lawyer's fees, court costs, fines?
Arrested more than 40 times. Do you think she's independently wealthy or did the non profit group, Operation Save America, pay the costs associated with those arrests? What about the other 10 arrested? Do you think they paid for their own lawyers?
by ocean-kat on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 5:36pm
As of 2017, Pew suggests almost 66% get some news from social media and 40% get much of their news from social media
http://www.journalism.org/2017/09/07/news-use-across-social-media-platforms-2017/
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 4:41pm
? Conservatives aren't frightened by abortion protestors. According to WaPo, the point of the meme manufactured by political operatives and being pushed by Trump is to get out the vote by scaring the base into thinking liberal mobs are coming to take over and will not just tar and feather conservatives but destroy America as they know and love it.
My point after searching Twitter: not many conservative candidates and supporters appear to be using it yet! Maybe they think it's not a smart op, not a productive way to go. Maybe it's just not judged appropriate use for Twitter, maybe they are doing it on Facebook, maybe they are just not doing it on social media but targeting to those who don't use, via TV and radio. The WaPo article cites examples in meat space. But what puzzled me is that I didn't see it being used on twitter much. Maybe twitter is heavily liberal? Or what?
Anyhow WaPo headlined it, like it's becoming a dangerously successful meme. And I didn't see that on twitter so far.
What I did see: lots of liberals making fun of the meme, many pointing out the hypocrisy for Trump with trying to make Charlottesville protestors look harmless, "good people on all sides", and refusing to recognize the fear mongering there.
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 9:28am
My first thought upon hearing Mitch moan was remembering the debate when Trump was asked if he would accept the election results and he replied with "we'll see." Who are the Maoists now?
by moat on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 9:50am
this may be why not many except those in the most conservative districts appear to be stoking this:
they may be leaving it to Trump to be the pit bull to rev up his base and that allows them to play more moderate.
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 1:29pm
It won't be easy to sell the threat of hordes seizing the gates when the Team Leader is busy calling them unpaid prostitutes.
by moat on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 1:37pm
by Peter (not verified) on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 3:36pm
Then you will have to pick a lane, Class Warrior, Make fun of them or be afraid.
by moat on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 4:14pm
Things not going hunky dory with the Trump mob in Council Bluffs, Iowa, tonight? Something to hide?
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 6:52pm
by Peter (not verified) on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 9:36pm
You read something somewhere?
by moat on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 9:39pm
Fuck you and your god damn snowflake shit.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 10:40pm
Looks to me like those citizens you are talking about are not serious at all about that but are going along with a in joke by their favorite performer:
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 10:48pm
p.s. this guy is making a great point on that:
Ya know, Peter, after you made that comment, I am never going to take you seriously again.What you said is quite simply ridiculous, one of those are you going to believe me or your lying eyes? kind of things. What a load of crap you are pushing, imaginary stuff. He is not at all who you claim he is. Some of his administration may be, but this man and his "fans', whether paid or volunteer, are just plain Jerry Springer show rejects.
Edit to add: strikes me as huge group therapy but they are all working on one narcissist's psychological issues! High school pep rallies are more focused on a goal. Any serious person who voted for Trump should be embarrassed to be related to these people including the character at her podium. It's like a caricature of the warmup act for the taping of daytime network game show
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 11:06pm
You took him seriously? with all his warning signs?
Women indeed are the sympathetic forgiving glass-half-full gender.
And I don't really mean that in a bad way, though it does come with its complications.
PS - I'm the "glass-obviously-not-full-why-doesn't-someone-just-bloody-fill-it-rather-than-psychoanalyze-it" kind of demanding optimist.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 1:58am
In the rare case I could get him to drop the nonsense agitprop and insult technique, yes.
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 2:01am
Alright, I briefly saw those moments too - hope? intervention? guess I'm not that much an optimist - my glass is now empty and I'm sitting here waiting for the bartender to notice me down here at the end of the bar with the other losers...
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 2:03am
You can take this statement he made in the Partisan hatred thread seriously: "My hope now is that you and your ilk won't be capable of destroying the rest of us as you auger in to the dustbin of history for eternity. "
This is a class war for him. For his purposes, the only important outcome is that we lose. When one attempt at pushing a narrative peters out, he takes up another. They are all merely means to an end.
by moat on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 8:51am
Agreed. He is clearly angry. At the progressive liberals who let him down when he was young and idealistic, at the libertarians who didn't live up to his standards and at the world in general for not protecting his idols and letting them die. They are his martyrs; and as with anyone who commits their lives to the past, he is lost.
He fights against what he once championed. Bitterness is all he has left.
by barefooted on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 7:19pm
I don't begrudge people getting angry. I have anger management issues of my own. But when someone dances upon my future grave, why they think whatever they think becomes unimportant. There is only the dance.
by moat on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 9:27pm
by Peter (not verified) on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 4:58pm
Try this, Peter - you say you admire Yippie humor - why don't you try some? Instead you come across as a scold - how you going to exorcise the Pentagon or DNC with that vibe? Or like Kesey said at the anti-war protests, "Fuck it, just walk away... if you fight it, you become part of it". And instead pulled out a harmonica. Why not a few posts about music rather than snowflakes? Common fertile ground for dialog, if you want some.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 5:28pm
Notice no one here calls republicans repugnauts. We call them republicans or right wing or conservative. We criticize with information about issues. We don't name call. We don't have to name call. We know what we're talking about. If you could make good arguments you wouldn't have to name call either. Face it. You just have right wing talking points and insults. Or prove me wrong. Make good arguments to defend you opinions and stop with the childish name calling.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 5:37pm
by Peter (not verified) on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 2:21pm
Needs more Rohypnol.
by moat on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 2:34pm
amused and honored that I am one who can guilt you into basically admitting yes I was bullshitting there, here's what I really think
Suggestion
You should try treating all of the readers of your comments like they have basic intelligence, the results might surprise you. If you find it hard with the automatic response where the agitprop just starts to flow, consider baby steps, one word at a time. Drop the use of snowflake, for example.
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 2:35pm
He can't stop insulting us because that's all he has to be a part of the discussion. Here he wants to argue the partisan talking point that democrats paid an angry mob to protest in the halls of the powerful. It's absolutely clear that republicans do the same thing, that abortion protests are just as much a paid angry mob in the same way that democratic protesters are. Or neither are paid angry mobs. That obvious fact isn't something he's willing to admit. He's intelligent enough to see that everyone here knows more than he does on every subject and he loses every argument. Not because of his partisan leaning but because he doesn't know much beyond his right wing talking points. So he insults us instead.
We could have a more nuanced discussion on the balance between the right to protest and the rights of those protested against. Have the rights of protesters in the halls of Washington, at abortion clinics, and in other places exceeded the rights of senators, abortion doctors, and those entering facilities for services? But that's a non partisan discussion that he doesn't want to have and likely isn't capable having at the level we discuss issues here. So he insults us, because that's all he has.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 3:57pm
Like it is about cheering for a sport team.
Cue the lions at the Coliseum.
by moat on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 11:06pm
Trump disciples, armed with Tiki-torches because they are ascared of scary snowflakes and the dark (not a mob):
by NCD on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 11:06pm
Well I bet the clown-in-chief probably would have liked to be at that one, but wasn't invited because they were deadly serious.
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 12:27am
I thought it was just a successful special at Pier One Imports.
How about them scented candles?
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 2:01am
dupe deleted
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 8:22pm
Bender is WSJ's White House reporter
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 8:22pm
It's RNC talking points is what it is, here's proof. Note she is a woman. I can't believe she is playing it straight faced on Fox's Business channel, though:
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 11:11am
One Yalie's opinion on who the hyenas are
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 2:05pm
Mitch has a different idea about what the talking points should be:
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 2:11pm
ok so, even though I didn't see a lot of use on twitter, apparently media people have been hearing this talking point so much from political operatives that they are starting to crack:
#1 story @ TheHill.com right now: Don Lemon shouts down CNN commentator on activist 'mob' definition: 'Shut up!'
Which would also explain WaPo headlining the story.
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 3:03pm
Trump’s Contradiction: Assailing ‘Left-Wing Mob’ as Crowd Chants ‘Lock Her Up’
By Peter Baker @NYTimes.com. Oct. 10, 2018
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 10:21am
Oh please, Trump can balance 100 angels on a pin - he thrives on hypocrisy and inconsistency and cognitive dissonance. He got interested in Kavanaugh when he realized he could shove him up our ass, not play it nice.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 10:23am