MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
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Sanders leads Clinton by 9 points in NH, gains ground in IA
By trkingmomoe on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 2:11pm |NBC pole shows Sanders momentum is still going. No ceiling yet.
It is interesting to see how the media has tried to pretend he is not a serious candidate. They like to talk all around him with out mentioning his name. They still won't admit that he is appealing to voters on his own merits. The meme the media is pushing is she is losing votes because of the email nothing scandal. I like Clinton and will vote for her in the general, but I like Sanders better and will vote for him in the primary.
The media spends more time on the Republican race even in this clip.
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http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-leads-hillary-clinton-9-points-new-hampshire
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I keep hearing and reading people say they'll vote for Sanders in the primary and Clinton in the general -- the assumption being that Bernie won't win the primary. But if the assumption was that he would win, what effect might that have? I guess I'm just curious if a primary vote for Sanders is any easier to cast if the idea is that it's mostly symbolic.
by barefooted on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 3:40pm
Just curious. What is the symbolism?
by kyle flynn on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 4:08pm
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 4:16pm
What it means is that most Bernie supports won't hold their noses when they vote in the general. He is running a different kind of campaign so we are in uncharted waters right now. Media wants to defeat this kind of election because it doesn't promise gobs of money for them in ads.
I want Sanders to do the best he can and take it all the way to the nomination because this will be a real game changer in the future of politics. His supporters are issue driven but not a personality cult. Most of all they want to defeat the 1%.
In this clip the media talks about Clinton's fire wall in the South. Atlanta is having a meet and greet fundraiser for Sanders this week. The tickets are $50 each. He has a birthday this week so there are money bombs as they are calling it to raise money for his birthday. It will be interesting to see how much money is raised in Atlanta.
by trkingmomoe on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 4:27pm
What you are seeing is that Bernie is viewed by many dems as little more than a Running Dog for Clinton who still leads by 22 points nationally. They're not worried by Bernie running for second place and will support him in that quest but if he ever threatens to overtake her nationally, which is very unlikely, attitudes may change.
These new poll numbers do help with generating enthusiasm among the rubes that would be totally absent if they only had Clinton to look to for inspiration.
by Peter (not verified) on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 5:19pm
"...but if he ever threatens to overtake her nationally, which is very unlikely, attitudes may change." That's my question, with emphasis on "may". I just wonder why a declaration of primary support is often immediately followed by a Clinton caveat.
by barefooted on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 6:17pm
It is a declaration of respect for her and other democrats that are running. He is running a clean campaign and so many of his supporters following his campaign tone. There are Sanders supporters that call her Shillary and will not vote her but they are on the fringes mostly.
I am sure the powers to be will go after him at the point he over takes her nationally or becomes a threat to her winning the primary. Don't underestimate his supporters' loyalty or the willingness to work for him. His supporters are putting together a well organized ground game.
by trkingmomoe on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 7:18pm
I'm not underestimating him or his supporters - quite the contrary, actually. My original question wasn't intended to convey that at all. And I hope that every vote he gets in the primary will be cast by someone who wants him to, and believes he will, win the general.
by barefooted on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 7:52pm
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 4:25pm
Thanks for the Digby link. They are right the Village is confused and maybe they will figure out many of us don't pay much attention to them anymore. They also give themselves too much credit for picking winners.
by trkingmomoe on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 6:29pm
Re this link
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/
can someone explain to me, because I really don't know, what happens if Hillary gets all the endorsements and Bernie wins the electoral vote? Does the DNC have the final say?
Thanks -
by arc (not verified) on Tue, 09/08/2015 - 7:00pm
First off DNC would be fools to go against the winner of the primaries and caucuses. That would anger voters and many would sit out the election. The last time we had a brokered convention was in the 1950's. JFK's successes in entering in state primaries even as a write in vote ended the practice of party bosses picking the top of the ticket. People wanted more say because of modern media and could watch the candidates on Television. Many states that had caucuses then moved away from caucuses and into state run primaries. We only have a few states that still let the parties run and finance their own caucuses to chose who to give their convention votes to. The parties still have rules for brokered conventions but there has to be a serious reason for them to do that. They will nominate the primary winner.
These very early endorsements came because they didn't see how strong Sanders would be. Super delegates have been known to change their minds so it is not set in stone. Most of what you are reading is horse race stuff that the media likes to play around with.
by trkingmomoe on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 3:40am
Thanks!
~arc
by arc (not verified) on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 4:15am
I don't know what to make of this but Biden is beating Sanders in the latest national poll and he isn't yet a candidate. HRC still leads by a strong margin but if Warren joins Biden as VP all bets are off.
It's convenient that the Sandernistas have already printed hit pieces aimed at Radical Leftist Purists, for not feeling the Bern, so they already have convenient scapegoats to project their failure onto.
by Peter (not verified) on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 4:20pm
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 5:05pm
Would put his mother to sleep.
That's very unfair to Biden. I'm sure he would make some buffoonish comment on the campaign trail and we would all wake up and laugh or cringe.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 5:35pm
I agree with PP that Biden is not a good at running on a national level. He has tried before and each time he never got out of the single digits in the poles.
The bump he has in the poles right now is from just the media making a big deal out of it. If he gets in, the poles will settle back down Yes his mouth will get him in trouble. It always does.
by trkingmomoe on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 6:44pm
All this speculation about Warren seems crazy to me. If Warren would not endorse Hillary or Sanders why would she endorse Biden by agreeing to be his vp before the primary vote? Biden is as much a centrist as Hillary, imo slightly to the right of Hillary. Sanders is by far the closest to Warren politically. The liberals that support Sanders are mostly the same liberals that support Warren. Her endorsement of Biden over Sanders would be seen as a betrayal of her principles by Sanders supporters. Would Sanders supporters leave him for a Warren vp? For that reason I'm not at all sure it would help Biden that much and I think it would hurt her.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 5:17pm
This is a clip from This Week on ABC this morning. I think this ties into this thread.
http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/bill-kristol-biden-warren-ticket-pretty-powerful-33571718
by trkingmomoe on Sun, 09/06/2015 - 7:56pm
Parry sounds like an apologist for Assad and Putin. He refers to the "pretense" that Assad engaged in "unjustified repression". Yes, the massacre of those protestors was perfectly justified. Referring to the popular uprising against Yan-however-you-spell-it as a "coup" is tendentious, as is putting "Russian aggression" in scare quotes. We should sometimes object to demonizing the other, but we don't always have to endorse the other's point of view.
by Aaron Carine on Tue, 09/08/2015 - 3:49pm