MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Investigative journalist Mark Ames became one of Greenwald's victims more than once. Again, this is one-sided, and I don't know anything about Mark Ames, but I found his story, contrasting Snowden's and Greenwald's actions with those of dissidents in Putin's Russia, compelling.
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This article is exactly how I feel about the entire thing. This is a serious issue, one that ordinarily I would take side with Greenwald, but I can't, nor can I take Snowden's side, for all the reasons that Ames writes.
Mark Ames if people don't know is is the founder of eXiled online.
This entire column is a great read, but this here is, well, yes:
Ahh, well you have to read the entire column. It says it all. And if it needs to be unlocked again, let me know I'll unlock it.
by tmccarthy0 on Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:38am
Yes:
Greenwald is no Seymour Hersh; Snowden is no Ellsberg
Maybe the revelation of NSA computer gamers spying on Germany and the EU in DC may, just may.... lead to someone somewhere in the administration/Congress actually looking into what NSA does to occupy time and eat up budgets, and oversee and limit the recreational part of the NSA gaming on their XYZ-not-too-secret-super-mega-terror-detector computer system in Utah.
by NCD on Sun, 06/30/2013 - 2:21pm
It sounds like the issue is with the Guardian, not Greenwald or Snowden.
But again, who's calling Snowden a hero? Or less likely, Greenwald? Did Greenwald make some mistakes in previous stories? Quite possibly. He also changed his politics quite a bit from 2003 to today.
However, very bizarre for Ames & Levine to focus on & get defensive about their article that The Nation's editor vanden Heuvel had to apologize at length for, and for which they remain angry at Greenwald for focusing on their inaccurate blasting of Tyner in 6 of the first 7 paragraphs while not acknowledging their genius in all their other accusations. Shame these guys weren't around for Ford earlier - "the Edsel may have been recalled as an awful car, but it's telling these critics don't write about its wonderful cigarette lighter and radio". And their breaking story about Greenwald being funded by the Cato Institute/Koch Brothers for which he notes he was paid a whopping $2500-3000 for a speech. And these 2 jokers can't resist mention the bullshit part about Greenwald porn sponsorship. Greenwald's certainly not God, but does he deserve the Keystone Kops as his major critics?
As for relying on Putin, everyone knows he's an asshole who's funneled off a billion dollars while in office and is just an extremely hard-nosed intelligence guy behind a huge amount of corruption. Somehow I don't see a visit from Snowden changing anything. But yes, Snowden's in trouble, and plan A of retiring in Hong Kong seemed to have hit a snag, so there he is with cooking up a less palatable plan B. Best laid plans o' mice & men and all...
Anyway, can't we get back to the issue of Obama's administration spying on Americans? There's a lot more detail that's come out in the last week while we've been following Escape from Devil's Island Part IV
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 06/30/2013 - 3:18pm
The information being released now focuses on actions taken against foreign governments. The effect will be damage to international relations that will take years to improve. Snowden wants to inflict damage on the US. He cares very little about US citizens. The news stories will about what the US did overseas. At some point transmissions that originated in an EU country and stopped a terror attack in the US or EU will get "revealed".
People will have to choose between supporting a person who fracture international relations while proclaiming to want to inform US citizens. Russia benefits from fractured US-EU relations. Snowden has screwed this up royally. Once he left the US, he lost any possibility of controlling the story. The more they put Assange on screen, the worst the image for Snowden. Assange may have taken Ecuador out of the picture as an escape route. Unless Snowden has emails with conversations captured in the US, the White and the US are now the victims at the mercy of a traitor out to harm the US.
The US public may hate PRISM, but they dislike a traitor even more. I need to clarify, Snowden is not a traitor according to the Constitution. We are not in a declared war, so he cannot be a traitor legally. He does fit the Merriam-Webster definition used by the public.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 06/30/2013 - 3:22pm
Мистер Сноуден набирает свой отпуск виллы на Черном море, желательно рядом с его новыми работодателями КГБ..
by NCD on Sun, 06/30/2013 - 4:46pm
You can only be a traitor in a US declared war? Think it can be waging war against the US (whatever our declaration) or "adhering to its enemies" even without a declared war.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 06/30/2013 - 5:07pm
John Walker Lindh was not tried for treason. John Brown was convicted of treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia not the US as I understand the events. Was Jefferson Davis a traitor.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 06/30/2013 - 5:51pm
Lindh wasn't considered in a group AFAIK, so couldn't be treason against US as defined. Solo treason is not treason by our Constitution.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 06/30/2013 - 6:02pm
According to his lawyer, Lindh was in the Taliban.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 06/30/2013 - 7:04pm
again, who's calling Snowden a hero?
He is a hero.
--Julian Assange to George Stephanopolous, June 30, 2013
(link is to transcript of interview, page 4; quote is mid-page.)
by artappraiser on Sun, 06/30/2013 - 9:47pm
Sure, we can. Why don't you blog about it? We'll all be sure to comment.
by Ramona on Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:15pm
Nah, let's just stay with the fun stuff.
Ames spends 4600 words talking about how brave he and his Russian buddies were/are. This part does not have the ring of truth to me. Consider the contradictions when he says surveillance is a fact of life in Russia, a series of his meetings were being monitored, which he expected, unlike all his lesser peers as he snidely says. " Russia’s FAPSI agency employed some 120,000 snoops just to listen in on Russian phone calls. (I’ve always assumed the same happens here, but apparently other American journalists believed until recently that things operate the way we’re told in middle school civics classes.)". Then he says the intelligence authorities didn't even listen to the incriminating tapes but they did let the victim of their surveillance have them. Right! That's believable? Sounds like a concocted story to me. The first 4600 words are all about him, Ames, as a brave and conscientious journalist and his brave and dedicated friends who faced down Putin. Why? Because it was just the right thing to do.
He then spends 2800 words slamming Snowden and Greenwald for the hedonistic mistake they are guilty of, according to him, but I believe mostly the fault of others, of making themselves the center of the story. So, does Ames, who sounds to me like jerk venting over a grudge, have credibility in this instance? If so, consider his one judgment on the merits of the underlying action he pretends to be writing about:
by A Guy Called LULU on Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:52pm
I made a ton of comments about this on your diary - the only ones you took up were the speculative stuff about how Martin Luther King would disapprove of Snowden or how Ellsberg was so much different from Manning & Snowden.
I think you just like the personality stuff. But thanks for the offer - am all blogged out right now.
Though I did just post a news item where a 4-star general leaked info on our cyber-attacks with Stuxnet where you can comment on the content of the activity & not the person.
Presumably he's not subject to as many ad hominems - a renegade hacker, narcissist, contractor with too much access, using people to expose them to life-damaging punishment, hasn't run to a repressive government or leaked data to them, doesn't have a girlfriend seen pole-dancing - though likely he did violate an oath in some way (even if upholding it in another) and didn't use the stated channels for escalating.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 07/01/2013 - 5:58am
Just a couple of minor thoughts, not on the main issue.
1) Somehow Ames essay reminds me for some reason why I was always disturbed by Josh Marshall saying he wanted to do "activist journalism" and at one time, he wanted TPMCafe to be a place where the great unwashed could participate in the same. And I would request he define what exactly he meant by that. And he would never answer. He was thinking of accomplishing good, and all I could think of is things like future Twitter smear storms....
2) I enjoyed Ames description of Greenwald's writing style which I dislike so much, i.e., enforcing an image of himself as an infallible crusader and arbiter of big words like “heroism,” “patriotism,” “ethical,” “transparency,” “liberty” and the like. He’s not much fun; not fun to read, not fun to listen to. Not unless you like fire-and-brimstone Secular Sunday Sermons that make you feel awful and increasingly panicked about the police state Armageddon that’s we’re always on the precipice of. But then it was so incredibly ironic that he seems to be a worse writer than Greenwald, this piece just drones on and on and on, it's like he doesn't really have his thoughts consolidated yet, it's a stream of consciousness rant. The two of them seem to have been (in the past) two egotistical ranter bloggers clashing in the night. My main reaction in the end is: this is why I was always disturbed by a lot of the originators of popular blogs.
3) He understands the danger of libertarianism because of his experiences in Putin's Russia. Just wish he could verbalize it better.
by artappraiser on Sun, 06/30/2013 - 5:17pm
Perhaps on #3 you could articulate how you see the danger of libertarianism vis-a-vis Russia, no need to rely on this guy. Your thoughts?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 06/30/2013 - 5:30pm
All I meant was the post-Soviet-Union "new Wild West" gone bad, and how things developed after that into Putinism (with some oligarchs the enemy and others the friends, the church inserting itself into the vacuum, etc. ) That's what he's basically describing in his dissident stories.
by artappraiser on Sun, 06/30/2013 - 6:34pm
I cited an article by Ames last year. He wasn't a fan of PussyRiot, and asserted that the average Russian was too trained to avoid trouble to care much about people that sought it out by having sex in public. At a chilly Age of Limits conference last month, Dmitry Orlov drew the ire of some feminists in attendance by not being a fan either.
I found the first part of the article interesting, but the back and forth with Greenwald put me in mind of the People's Front of Judea vs the Judean People's Front sort of thing. I did perk up when he called Greenwald a Libertarian, because Amy Goodman has Greenwald on Dem Now all the time without ever mentioning that.
by Donal on Sun, 06/30/2013 - 7:46pm