MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Steep tariffs imposed on foreign-made solar panels and washing machines
By HSG on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 8:55am |This is probably the correct call on both counts, although the fear from enviros (like me) that raising the cost of solar panels will slow the move away from fossil fuels is very legit. Still the 20% tariff will probably raise total installation costs for consumers by well under 10%. Still too much. The right answer is to impose a 100% tax on fossil fuels and to return the revenues to the American people. Ultimately, this is a win for American workers.
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Uh, isn't that basically the article I linked to 6 down?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 10:28am
Your Axios story post six down is from Oct. 16 saying that he was planning to impose such tariffs. This one from the The Guardian is from today, Jan. 23, reporting that he just did and is specific on things like exactly which corporations, i.e. punishes Samsung, which recently began washer production in South Carolina, and LG, which is building a washer factory in Tennessee.
(As far as News Thread protocol I saw the Guardian piece when it was still Jan. 22 here and was thinking of posting it as a comment on your thread. But that's just how I like to do this whole news posting thing and others have different ways, learned long ago that if you want to encourage others to share links, one has to let go of them checking for whatever someone already posted. Also happens to be the reason I don't often change headlines--because they can easily see without clicking through that something they were thinking of posting is already there.)
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 11:23am
I still like to cluster things together, so if you're interested in a topic, you get it from that thread.
Of course if I give a witty headline, it might be hard to figger, but "Solar Power case study" isn't that far left field.
And yes, you should typically see if someone's recently posted the same link or on the same topic (as getting the same story from Huffpost & Guardian & Politico is probably overkill).
Anyway, not life threatening.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 12:13pm
Sorry about that PP. I missed your Axios post.
by HSG on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 12:46pm
No worries, didnt realize other story that old either
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 12:50pm
I realized what happened - I saw the latest anniuncement, but was more interested in the background article that discussed some tradeoffs between manufacturing solar panels and adopting them quickly & widespread, between profiting from manufacturing vs profiting from sales & installation with a consumer benefit of lower cost, along with the societal benefit of lower greenhouse gas emissions. Trump again focused on the equivalent of those near meaningless 6000 coal jobs while ignoring the much bigger picture. We're all romantic about manufacturing jobs, but even here it's Chinese setting up shop here vs making them in China, as if it makes a huge difference. Almost no one does a cost-benefits analysis.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 5:43pm
It does make a big difference to American (and Chinese) workers where Samsung makes washing machines.
by HSG on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 8:53am
The use of the word "punishes" in the Guardian piece is interesting on two counts. One, It inaccurately implies that Samsung is being harmed because it decided to manufacture some washing machines in the United States. In fact, the Samsung's (and LG's) decision to produce in South Carolina and Tennessee appear prescient. Indeed they probably were based on the fact that Trump had been suggesting for some months that he was considering the imposition of tariffs. Both corporations will likely experience heightened demand for their American-made machines since they will be relatively cheaper than the foreign-made units that are subject to the new tariffs.
The word "punishes" is also interesting because it casts a multinational corporation in the role of the victim of a malicious President. In contrast, I can't recall a news article in which workers, who are laid off after a plant relocates overseas in the wake of a trade deal, are described as being punished by Congress and the President. Even so, the latter use would probably be more fitting.
by HSG on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 12:59pm
Well, this is kind of an odd coincidence. Our 20 year old washing machine is creaking around on its' last legs and I have been researching for a replacement. Nearly every product review site I have visited has warned against the Samsung washers. Did trump just do us a favor? Oh em gee. Did I just type that out loud?
by wabby on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 7:14pm
lol!
But but but how do you know those bad Samsung washer reviews aren't by pro-Trump Russian bots, hmmm?
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 7:34pm
Hal ... related article...
January 23, 2018 | Electrek
Tesla reiterates commitment to expanding solar
product manufacturing in the US after new tariffs
Oh and... Uh... When the washing machine goes poof...
I guess I'll have to get the old standby Maytag out
of storage.
~OGD~
by oldenGoldenDecoy on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 1:45am
Thanks OGD. Is that an oldengolden washing machine?
by HSG on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 8:52am
Ahhhh...
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Family heirloom. My great uncle worked for Maytag in Newton, IA and this is actually a photo of the same model type in our family's possession.
~OGD~
by oldenGoldenDecoy on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 6:41pm
Fantastic.
by HSG on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 6:53pm