MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE by Michael Wolraich Order today at Barnes & Noble / Amazon / Books-A-Million / Bookshop |
Thirty-six hours after the pre-dawn cruise-missile strike against Syria’s al-Shayrat airfield, neoconservative hawks, many of whom beat the drums for war in Iraq 14 years ago, are feeling the warm spring breezes of renewal and rejuvenation.
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I still have not heard an explanation as to why Assad would order a gas attack that makes any sense. Being 'evil' is not enough to explain it, at least for me. That is not to say he is or isn't evil. There is plenty of confirmed evidence to lead anybody to their own conclusion on that count. I expect that everyone reading this will have already read enough to know the arguments that make it seem crazy for him to have made the choice to use a chemical weapon. O'Donnell's theory would require that Trump and Putin conspired on a specific plan after the election at a time when Trump needed a political boost. Another idea, that Assad was "testing" Trump, seems just as ridiculous. The little guy with a slingshot doesn't walk up to Goliath and spit in his face when one result of the test is that he would get his head ripped off and there is no possible good result. The result would be too predictable and so not one that would be chosen unless the little guy was suicidal. Or else real stupid, which we know for a fact is a possibility among world leaders.
Whose position was advanced by the gas attack? Forget for now that it is an obvious boon to the various forces opposing Assad and so an obvious incentive for a false flag action. The article linked above makes an important point about the always war-happy neocons but it actually seems like almost everybody supports the retaliatory strike and it seems to me that much of that support is based on a chance to climb to some moral high ground and express our outrage at a particular way of killing people, especially children. That is extremely shallow cover-your-ass ad hoc moralizing, IMO.
I think the strike on Syria was stupid and counter productive as well as obviously illegal. We have now put ourselves on at least three sides in the Syrian civil war. It is interesting to wonder if Hillary would have done more. I very much doubt she would have done less. Is that speculation beside the point? The retaliation by Trump may be a zig in the zig-zag of our foreign policy but it does nothing to change the long trend line of our policies. Trump has full responsibility for the decision but it was a political decision and it wasn't made in a vacuum.
The incoherence of President Trump’s foreign policy – and his reliance on “the shows” to get his military advice – have made Syria a dangerous temptation
by A Guy Called LULU on Mon, 04/10/2017 - 11:06am
Haley's pronouncements at the beginning of last week seemed to pretty much give Assad leeway to do what he pleased:
Sounds like the US was testing the waters on erecting a proper cooperative alliance with Assad.
It wouldn't be crazy of Assad to see that as a sign that he could push the envelope a bit. If the more antagonistic Obama administration didn't slap him him down after chemical attacks, why would he expect Trump to do more?
Of course the mistake is that no one should expect any coherence from Trump. If he can sense that he might get some applause for throwing a few bombs he will do it. It's a weathervane presidency, for better or worse. Just have to try to make sure the wind blows leftward...
by Obey on Mon, 04/10/2017 - 11:26am
Assad's interest is 1) staying in power, and 2) defeating the rebels, possibly 3) defeating ISIS if it doesn't hurt #1 & #2.
Since Assad/Russians took Aleppo with over-the-top brutal "traditional" force with complaints going from mild to "but-the-US-does-it-too", there's no big reason this couldn't continue.
Even if Assad used chemical weapons before - still a big IF, AFAIK - there was no compelling reason to use them now, at least not from his own selfish vantage point. And Russia's deal to put his chemical weapons beyond use was one of Russia's major diplomatic coups, calling Kerry's bluff, etc.
Moreover, the West was on its heels after a building strike apparently claimed 200 civilians, with the international community beating up on that alliance consisting largely of non-friends of Assad - why the hell would he interrupt that news cycle to make himself not just an enemy but a pariah back on the regime-change list?
I've been wrong before, so I could easily be wrong here, but it doesn't much pass the smell test.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/10/2017 - 11:42am
Yes, but why would "what he pleased" be a stupidly counter-productive action. If the attack actually was an Assad authorized action it means he punked Putin and hid some gas and punked him further by using it. Even if i is true that he hid some sarin or whatever, I would bet that he did in fact get rid of so much that he would not now be able to introduce it as a tactical or strategic weapon. Occam wouldn't even bother sharpening his razor to put the accepted picture in doubt.
by A Guy Called LULU on Mon, 04/10/2017 - 12:03pm
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/04/10/assad-used-nerve-gas-be...
by ocean-kat on Mon, 04/10/2017 - 2:18pm
Thanks, the 1st account i've seen that provides some real sense to a gas attack. Where's the rest of the media on this?
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/10/2017 - 2:47pm
In depth information and analysis of the situation in Syria has been seriously lacking for several months now on all the dozen or so sites I read regularly. Until the recent gas attack it's slipped from the news or been very much back paged.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 04/10/2017 - 5:38pm
Seconded. Good piece, thanks!
by Obey on Mon, 04/10/2017 - 5:40pm
I do not consider The Daily Beast to be a generally good site for either accurate information or even handed analysis. That said, they may be exactly on point in this article. Who knows? Considering that every single source for the article has a vested interest in blaming the gas attack on Syria, the article may be totally worthless.
Post hoc ergo something or other, but maybe connected even if not necessarily so.
The article's headline asserts as fact that Assad used nerve gas. Because this thread is about why that assertion doesn't make apparent sense, and so there is reason to be skeptical, a mere unproven assertion that he did so has no value. It then states that Assad did so out of desperation. That is at least a reason and it may be true, but being desperate does not explain taking an action which increases the threats that made him desperate while in fact there is good reason to believe he should be less desperate than at any time in the last few years. In the article the first supporting link is to another article in the DB. Its headline states again as a fact that Syria did the deed. The second supporting link goes to the same article the link appears in. Not much added information in that mobius runaround. Then there is a link to a SANAT news agency video which has one single sentence subtitled in English. What is that for, to make it look like the article is well documented? Then the article quotes a "moderate rebel" spokesman. Again, he may be putting out the straight skinny, he may be in position to know what he is talking about, but I wouldn't bet the ranch on it.
by A Guy Called LULU on Mon, 04/10/2017 - 6:52pm
I'd rate the Daily Beast with a 6.5 out of 10. Higher than I'd rate the Huffington post or Consortium both of which I read some articles almost every day. I offered the link without comment just to add to the diversity of views on the topic.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 04/10/2017 - 8:47pm
Limited duscussion of the removal of chemical weapons that Kerry-Putin brokered a few years back - a black point against Russia, anoth example of Obama's fecklessness, or just a data point sacrificed to history and the rush to war.
Can I believe the cartoon guy *AND* the journalist? I found a particularly pleasant fence post to sit on (perhaps TMI...)
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 04/11/2017 - 12:39am
Hee hee hee - "not a good site for accuracy and evenhandedness" -that earns 2 Alanis Morisettes.
More on Syria bombing. Also mentions repeated use of chlorine over several weeks.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 04/11/2017 - 1:06am
Scott Adams deduced the gas attack was a deep state hoax, he knew Assad would not do "suicide by Trump". Adams has 555 million followers, so he must be smart. Adams learned about the psychology of dictators writing the Dilbert cartoon strip. He also was a Trump supporter. My kinda guy...
Roy Gutman is just a 30 year veteran Pulitzer Prize winning journalist......I am....on the fence...the cartoon guy or the mideast correspondent.....?
by NCD on Mon, 04/10/2017 - 7:48pm
False choice. The cartoon guy clearly identifies his conclusion as what it is, an opinion based on reasoning. Gutman has his critics and they see the same weaknesses as I do in his reporting on this particular subject. From Wikipedia:
From Syria Comment:
Is Assad the Author of ISIS? [As Gutman says] Did Iran Blow Up Assef Shawkat?
Gutman's [weak, IMO] response.
by A Guy Called LULU on Mon, 04/10/2017 - 9:39pm
Still on the fence. Are you going to be the 555,000,001 follower of the cartoon guy? A joke of course. The idea that the Dilbert cartoonist is cogitating over the actions of an hereditary despot in a nation the despot helped destroy in the Middle East, and is followed by thousands if not millions, I find as a dumbing down of critical thinking in the vox populi.
Anyway, we can be sure that Trump is probably even less qualified to figure out what is going on in Syria than almost anyone, even among us here.
by NCD on Mon, 04/10/2017 - 10:17pm
Actually, I think on the fence is a reasonable place to be right now. But, some strong winds may be coming.
by A Guy Called LULU on Mon, 04/10/2017 - 10:28pm
In the wind-
1. Destroy Obamacare.
2. Destroy Kim Jong Il
3. Destroy ISIS. And whatever comes after it, and after that.....and...
4. Destroy Medicaid.
5. Destroy Taxes on 1%, living or recently living.
6. Blowout the deficit.
7. Destroy right to vote.
8. Destroy Medicare and SS.
9. Federalize police forces.
10. Destroy Democratic Party.
by NCD on Tue, 04/11/2017 - 12:13am
When the Russians got the call that the base was going to be attacked, they just said "OK, no problem. We are leaving right now?" The Russians offered no resistance? The US magically knew that the Russians wouldn't stay and dare the US to attack?
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 04/11/2017 - 12:41am
It's okay, Mike Flynn called them and explained,and they were all copacetic. See, these backchannels are useful despite all the scuttlebutt and naysaying.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 04/11/2017 - 3:01am