MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Terror Attacks in Paris
By NCD on Fri, 11/13/2015 - 5:41pm |UK Telegraph: 'Gunmen shouted 'Allahu Akbar' as they opened fire'. No MSM US news source as of yet mentions Muslims, or will mention them until fully confirmed, of course. Call that cautious, or call it overly cautious, perhaps even 'sanitized' reporting by US media.
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THIS IS ALL OVER CABLE AND THE WEB!
THIS IS A BIG FRICKIN DEAL!
by Richard Day on Fri, 11/13/2015 - 9:56pm
Yes it is, Dick. I've watched the coverage most of the evening and it's definitely a big frickin deal. Accounts of approximately 120 people killed ... reason requires that it might be worse. It's incredibly sad, and frightening. Guess that's the point, huh?
by barefooted on Fri, 11/13/2015 - 10:11pm
I've seen reports locals have tonight attacked an set fire to 'The Jungle', an illegal migrant camp of 6000, near the 'chunne'l in the north of France at Calais.
If this Paris atrocity is ISIS/Islamic terrorists, it will make it very hard for Muslims everywhere in Europe, which is likely one objective. Join the Caliphate or die like the infidels.
BTW this is what ISIS/Muslim killers have done to Yadzi's, Shiites, Christians, Kurds in Syria/Iraq, and also Jews in Europe. And it is exactly what Hamas terrorists try relentlessly to do to anyone they can kill in Israel, be they a Jew, Christian or Muslim.
by NCD on Fri, 11/13/2015 - 11:32pm
Chomsky will probably compare the massacre to our killing of innocents in the war with ISIS, or to the bombing of the Kunduz hospital, or to Gaza. It would be indecent to focus on that at this time though(and our killings aren't as bad as theirs, I think, perhaps excepting Gaza).
by Aaron Carine on Sat, 11/14/2015 - 7:23am
I would think it unusual not to think of how to deal with ISIS at this time.
Ted Cruz says we should stop worrying about civilian casualties. I dont' know if he means to bomb ISIS in Syrian theaters & cafés or where he's going.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 11/14/2015 - 8:37am
Chomsky also made excuses for the Japanese Empire's Asian atrocities, which included the rape of Nanking.
It would appear that the open borders policy of Europe may need to be tightened significantly,
Reports from UK press say a Syrian passport was found on one attacker.
'Frau Merkel' and her open borders for Germany and therefore all the EU - as once in they can go anywhere in the EU- along with the reality of Islamic terrorism, are not compatible to national security.
by NCD on Sat, 11/14/2015 - 9:18am
I don't remember Chomsky making excuses for Japanese war crimes. Can you cite a source?
by Aaron Carine on Sat, 11/14/2015 - 9:21am
Chomsky also admitted years ago he received a large portion of his income from contract work for the Pentagon.
Frankly, I don't have the time to go searching through thousands of links of what this guy said, there was a pdf summary of his not so shiny statements and writing over the decades.
Chomsky is a not so atypical American critic who carves out a meme for himself, and then makes a lot of money off of it, dissing democracy and capitalism while banking his profits from it.
by NCD on Sat, 11/14/2015 - 9:44am
Maybe you missed the situation in Europe - they just want to go to Germany, that's where the money's best. A number of refugees have turned down other host countries, banking on the best deal. Of course it's natural to want the best, even if it means a bit of looking the gift horse in the mouth.
Nor is Germany proposing open borders for refugees.
In any case, it's unlikely that many of the Syrian refugees are trying to hurt the continent they're escaping to - there are enough militant rebels to explain that, including of course ISIS + Al Qaeda affiliates + other wack groups. It's easily possible that the Syrian passport was from a long-term resident of France or someone that flew from Damascus to Beirut to Paris.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 11/14/2015 - 10:33am
Maybe you missed that German police caught a Muslim in Bavaria on Nov. 5th with his GPS set for Paris and his car full of grenades, explosives, weapons and ammunition.
Maybe you also missed one of the dead terrorists had a Syrian passport and came with the refugees through Lesbos, Greece.
Maybe you also don't know there are normally no border checks between Germany and France, there is free cross border passage once in the EU on trains and roads.
That is why the UK is not part of the open border EU agreement, and wants to stay that way.
I crossed the German border twice last summer and there were no checks made coming or going.
Maybe you missed that is why Hollande just issued an order to close the previously open borders of France.
by NCD on Sat, 11/14/2015 - 1:16pm
Look, I'd be extremely careful about jumping to conclusions with anything found so far, aside from accepting that it was an ISIS attack - there will invariably be misleading evidence and conclusions. In your Bavarian example, the guy arrested is from Montenegro, i.e. former Yugoslavia, part of Europe. (undoubtedly he'd have an easy time getting into Croatia, which is part of the EU, unlike most Syrians). One of the attackers has been identified as French & someone who's been in trouble before. The Syrian passport? well, they found Mohammed Atta's passport in the rubble of the WTC but couldn't find the 2 black boxes - could the planners use a refugee passport to cause Europe to panic over refugees, or was a refugee actually part of the attack? [hint; there's no requirement that terrorists carry their passport with them in an attack. so an Egyptian and a Syrian passport were found - what will be the conclusion? were the bombers' bodies in any shape to be identified as those in the passports? do they really need to import Syrians to fire machine guns in a crowded concert, or can a say disgruntled Frenchman of Algerian descent handle the job?]
From The Mirror: Islamic State extremists have bought 2,000 Syrian passports in China - and could pose as refugees to unleash terror attacks on Europe, an MP revealed.
Elsewhere: three of eight Paris attackers were from Brussels, police believe [put Belgium on the no-fly list, how about it? oh wait, there are trains...
From The Independent: It has not been established whether the passport is genuine, with many analysts pointing out false Syrian passports can be easily obtained within the war-torn Middle Eastern nation.
Your statement "'Frau Merkel' and her open borders for Germany and therefore all the EU - as once in they can go anywhere in the EU- " is incindiary and frankly bullshit. The Schengen Agreement for open borders is from 1985, not a thing of German or "Frau Merkel". Merkel is doing her best to browbeat EU countries into accepting refugees - refugees from US & Russian bombing, meddling, supplying weapons to the Mideast, along with ISIS & Assad's responsibility - but she's not creating open immigration, and they're quickly setting up rules by which refugees who do not meet criteria will be sent back or somewhere else, likely outside the EU. The refugee crisis has ended the Schengen protocol as previously practiced, as heavier border checkpoints and in-country stops have been re-instated, especially stop movement from Greece and Macedonia up to Hungary, into Austria, and a couple other countries. Spain's coasts on the other hand have been well-maintained and AFAIK they've not had to change because of the recent crisis. My last recent drive to Germany took about 15-20 minutes for the border region - probably less than some of my crossings 20 years ago, but certainly slower than the unchecked 50km/hour roll-throughs of recent years.
Fortunately bombs for the stadium were thwarted, where casualties could have been much worse - from Daily Mail:
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 11/14/2015 - 1:54pm
Aaron,
You militate against applying a measuring rod of comparative suffering and then use it yourself. Maybe you were making two comments in the space of one.
by moat on Sat, 11/14/2015 - 8:13pm
I didn't mean we can't compare suffering; I just meant we should probably wait awhile before we get back to bashing the West. But on my face book page, I did refer to civilian casualties in the anti-Isis bombing, and expressed concern that the slaughter in Paris would be used to justify the war. Perhaps that is inconsistency.
by Aaron Carine on Sat, 11/14/2015 - 9:03pm
German migrant comment on a last 24 hr article on Merkel from Yahoo:
A radio interview of the chief coordinator of Baden Wuerttemberg's refugee program featured these highlights of interest:
1. They have no idea which refugees are where at any given time because "They are not prisoners."
2. The refugees are not kept in custody, but are allowed to roam freely.
3. Some of the refugees have been traveling from one center to the next to collect their spending money several times over, and have been sending it to places like Pakistan, Serbia, Croatia, Syria, and Somalia via wire transfer because the government has no mechanism in place to monitor who gets what and where.
4. The government only knows the identity of refugees as accurately as they are willing to disclose it. Most do not have passports or any travel or official documents. "My name is Mohammed Mohammed."
5. It is common for refugees to invite extended family members to the refugee centers for meetings and free meals at tax payer expense.
6. There are no controls in place to screen who preaches at the religious meetings of the refugees.
7. Police in the state of BW are on constant overtime and are exhausted by having to stop frequent fights and protests by the refugees and coordinated between centers via cell phones that the government has provided. One police captain stated that people would be better off calling the fire department for break-ins, because the police are no longer able to respond due to their workload keeping the battles in the refugee centers from making the headline news.
8. It is true that the refugees in Germany have collectively refused to clean their own housing and bathrooms, and that the German tax payer is now paying for maid service.
9. Most refugees who have claimed to be from Syria have been found not to speak any Arabic at all...making their Syrian nationality very questionable.
by NCD on Sun, 11/15/2015 - 8:03pm
I only know the laws for German refugees 25 years ago, and at that time, they were not supposed to leave their assigned state or district. Quite possible it changed.
I don't know where your interview comes from - sounds like a hatchet job to put everything in the worst possible light.
Here's a funny one from the Daily Mail:
So the jihadis are so stupid they have to risk sinking in a migrant boat to get to Europe? Or they're just trying to make all refugees look suspect, using stolen or forged passports to get everyone worked up? NCD plays along.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 11/16/2015 - 1:52am
Unless you are Arab or a Jihadi, you cannot tell how smart, stupid or nuts they are, they are not rational people, if you haven't figured that out yet (ISIS, al Shabab, al Nusra, al Qaeda, the only religion w/suicide missions/vests x thousands, and child bombers, that pray to their God before they rape or kill you, think they will have 72 virgins if martyred....etc) or just in from UK Telegraph "My Jihadi son blew himself, up because of stress, did not intend to kill" from the dead Paris suicide bomber's Mom/family member in interview in Brussels.
-if you think you can delve into minds like that, you are even dumber than you seem to be-
And it has been confirmed one dead suicide bomber was logged in Greece as a migrant, by fingerprints of what was left of him in Paris. BBC
Al-Mohammad is the name on a Syrian passport found with the remains of one of the attackers, though the man's identity has not yet been verified. What has been confirmed is that his fingerprints match those taken by the Greek authorities after he arrived with migrants on the island of Leros in October 2015
by NCD on Mon, 11/16/2015 - 9:05am
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 11/16/2015 - 11:36am
But they didn't suit up 8 year olds with suicide belts or let them watch executions and hold decapitated heads, mass murder old ladies, gun down scores in across a city, blow themselves up when done, pray before raping women or executing captives, blow up mosques of opposing sects, suicide bomb worshippers, burn captives in cages, kidnap hundreds of school girls for sexual slavery, blow up temples from antiquity and then behead the Palmyra octogenarian caretaker and then hang his dead torso from a column.
You are certainly have some 'out there' bizarro world rationalizing. Who else would bring up Gallipoli to excuse the terrorist carnage in Paris? A grotesque excuse for these killers and a trivializing of the suffering of their victims.
by NCD on Mon, 11/16/2015 - 11:11pm
There haven't been that many 8 year olds, but the Viet Cong were known for grenades in babies' diapers. We drone bomb worshipers or people gathering for weddings.
There is a significant group of fanatic or radicalized Muslims. But about 1/4 of the world's population or 1.6 billion is Muslim. Assuming even 16 million Muslims are freak bastards, that's only 1%, and I don't think we're talking about that many involved. There are a number of factions to Islam, and the situation is complicated by Western powers controlling oil fields, figthing proxy Cold War battles, and support for Israel.
We overthrew a democratic movement in Iran with Mossadegh and installed a dictator - what should the people there say - "Thank you sir, may I have another?" The French killed 1 million Algerians in their fight for independence - do you ever talk about the French being crazed radicals known for Foreign Legions in the desert and large portions of Africa, occupying SouthEast China to have indentured workers, running Devil's Island? Shouldn't we extrapolate French being Roman Catholic to all Christians then, ban any Christian immigration to Europe or elsewhere?
You want to conflate terrorists with people fleeing from that terrorism, including refugees fleeing from the US' brainfart idea of funneling weapons to the opposition in Syria for "easy" regime change. That didn't work out too well, but your reaction is to blame all Muslims? In 2002, Iraq was a stable, reasonably peaceful place - also fairly secular, even a female volleyball team wearing shorts. A pain in our ass, but dormant and inactive. Due to Saudi-backed attacks on the US, we changed all that, intentionally misreading evidence, and threw the country into a 3-way Civil War plus outsiders - and now want to blame the Iraqis and Muslims for being crazed fanatics? Quite the chutzpah there.
The day before Paris bombs went off in Beirut - not much notice or Obama speeches about the victims there. And oddly enough, the new target is Hezbollah, who aside from lobbing a few missiles into Israel here and there have largely kept the peace and provided social programs in Lebanon. Certainly a ton more humane than ISIS, and one might argue that Lebanon also has a right not to be invaded.
Someone posted the 7 or 8 major mass killings in Europe the last 30 years - there was an ETA Basque one, an IRA Irish one, a crazed right-wingnut in Norway, an unattributed one killing 80 in Rome. Plus I remember the Baader-Meinhof gang in Germany.
The Arabs had a great Arab Spring in Tunisia - got much more democratic. We could have supported the peaceful model in Libya but doubled-down on regime change with airstrikes to support the French and Italians in their oil grab - result? chaos. Who's to blame? MUSLIMS.
Focus on the groups that are fucking us - they're getting people like you to panic and do all sorts of stupid stuff and blame the wrong people and spend lots of money and energy running around the world making the situation worse. Occupying Iraq was counter-productive. Occupying Afghanistan was counter-productive. Overthrowing Qaddafi was counter-productive. Supporting more fighting in Syria with weapons was counter-productive. What counter-productive self-defeating move will we make next? Learn to take a punch without panicking and doing the wrong thing - it's how you win fights.
Even now, *THE VAST MAJORITY* of Algerian-French are peaceful parts of the normal work and cafe society. I've hung out with a lot of Algerians - they don't sit around disgruntled talking about revenge and hatred - some even talk literature and culture and clubs and whatever. In this latest atrocity, there were what, <30 people involved, all French & Belgian (despite implicating some Syrians with fake passports, + the Egyptian victim whose passport they found). Focus on the real perpetrators, not the whole religion or fleeing nationals of Syria.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 11/17/2015 - 2:32am