MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Evidence [more] that the U.S. is a State sponsor of terrorism.
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All I think it's evidence of is that once an organization gets on the official terrorist list, it's not that it's hard to remove it, but rather, many who actually see usefulness in the group may not want to remove it in order to have some leverage over them.
There's really not much new here on the MEK story. That's why Seymour Hersh put it as New Yorker daily blog post, rather than writing a full article, like an "update" on a long running saga. (Comparing Greenwald with Hersh here is actually a good example of why I respect Hersh but Greenwald not very much--it's the hyperbole thing where every news item is both a major story and an outrage.)
Anyone who followed the MEK story during the Bush years will not be surprised by any of this. It was clear from just facts about Camp Ashraf and similar dealing, their protection, that they were no longer considered a terrorist group. Just as most terrorism experts never considered the designation serious, based on a few attacks. What they are is a kooky, dangerous and untrustworthy cult, everyone in terrorism circles knows this and has said it, and knows the CIA has long known it too. That's where the criticism should come in, that in playing with them, our government plays with fire. The continued terrorist designation is no doubt partly continued for plausible deniability purposes, because: they're nuts--they might just decide to do some terrorism again, if spurned and angry, in a bigger way this time.
Actually,what I still find a little shocking in post-Bush MEK news is that of Howard Dean's lobbying for them. Not that I was ever under any mistaken impression that Dean wasn't a hawk. To me, he always seemed very clearly to be foreign policy hawk. (Mho, many Deaniacs had the same fatal flaw of many Obamamanics: self-deludedly seeing a dove because their man happened to be against the Iraq war, when if you listened to both candidates speeches, read their position papers, and checked their records, they were clearly hawks.) What I don't get about Dean's working for them is why he is so proud of it and a fervent worker on their behalf. Can't he find a better paying lobbying position than them? I don't believe that, I'm sure he could find other more sensible contracts paying the same or more. He's a smart guy, and they are for the most part a bunch of kooky cultists, far worse in that realm than say, a lot of Christianist nuts, more like the followers of Jim Jones or the Heaven's Gate group . What's that all about, Howard, really? Why this job and why the devotion? Call me puzzled (Save me the human rights outrage explanation, I don't buy that, really I don't--ask someone who has escaped from Maryam Rajavi's crazy rule about human rights.)
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/06/2012 - 3:19pm
That, in an ironic way, is a pretty vivid description of why it is a pretty big problem. There is nothing new and nobody is surprised. The corrupt dealings by connected politicos that are obviously in violation of a law can go on for profit or any other motive while others are sent to jail, often on very shaky grounds, often on very subjective determinations whether they violated any just law. Add to that the fact that most U.S, citizens wouldn't care if they noticed and many support any such action.
Can you substantiate that?I don't come to the same conclusion at all, and certainly not based on the reason you give.
Most experts don't think that this kooky cult that committed terrorist activities was properly classified as a terrorist organization? Or just not one that we had to seriously worry about? At least for now, as you suggest, while we are protecting them and they are [probably] doing some dirty work for us.
That is a broad statement, I'm referring to "everyone", not making a pun. I can easily imagine that some in the terrorism circle might downplay criticism of "our" terrorists but some of those who knew about such groups passed passed a law that made it illegal to help kooky, dangerous cults that committed acts of terrorism and then got put on a list of U.S. designated terrorist organizations. Everybody who paid attention, including Dean, definitely knew that.
Yeah, I hope we don't piss anyone off too.
Funny how implausible most of the denials are that use the plausible deniability tag.
Dean's involvement in this is both disappointing and a surprise to me. Of the ones who had a chance, I still would pick him to have won the Presidency. To diverge a bit, have you ever offered up who your choice was then and who it would be now if that choice has changed?
by A Guy Called LULU on Fri, 04/06/2012 - 4:35pm
Dean's involvement in this is both disappointing and a surprise to me
On to Meshed, Yeeeahhhhwoo...
by jollyroger on Fri, 04/06/2012 - 5:15pm
Where, or what, is Meshed? Sounds like I might want to go there, or get some, whichever. Yeeeahhhhwoo..., sounds like fun.
by A Guy Called LULU on Fri, 04/06/2012 - 11:00pm
Meshed (alt. Mashad) is the last city you hit in Iran when you travel overland from London to Afghanistan.
Last time I was there, they were stonewalling anyone with a backpack at the hotels, and diverting us to a large campground, where tents were for rental at, IIRC, about 75cents/nt.
Anyway, it's also a big martyr center, (not modern martyrs, I am quick to add, but the one's from back in the day--way back, like Ali and Hussein, and them)
So it would be a good place for the MEK to set up...and might then appear on Dean's itinerary (yeah, it's a stretch...too high.....sue me,,,,,)
by jollyroger on Fri, 04/06/2012 - 11:08pm
That is a trip I think I would like to make. Scroll down for some great pictures.
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=460274
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=765235
by A Guy Called LULU on Fri, 04/06/2012 - 11:34pm
I can't imagine that it could be survived today- you'd have to cross the heart of Kurdish Turkey by train, then there's Iran (which was still under the shah at the time), and, of course, Afghanistan.
It was bandit ridden, at least the road from Herat to Kabul, but the king was still in power (zahir shah) and the Soviets hadn't come yet.
Actually, things were never better before or since, than when the soviets occupied, imho.
by jollyroger on Sat, 04/07/2012 - 12:13am
The two ride reports are recent and both met quite a few other adventure riders as they went, so it is possible. Maybe more trouble with officials for an American in Iran but I would expect the same acceptance by the general population. It would be too much for this old fart but I did travel coast to coast and around the horn in southern India last February-March on a Royal Enfield. Great trip that I am trying to sort out how to write about.
by A Guy Called LULU on Sat, 04/07/2012 - 12:52am
What about that chick in Esfahan? Kinda "saucy".
by jollyroger on Sat, 04/07/2012 - 12:15am
As you go through the mountains in your mercedes mini bus, and you notice a rusted out corpse of one half way down the mountain about every other turn, and the whole bus erupts with Allahu Ak bar's (which I took to be prayers for assistance but a friend says it's calling on ahead that another busload is on the way...) you don't see bikes.
by jollyroger on Sat, 04/07/2012 - 12:18am
Well, hats off to Glenn Greenwald for trying to sustain outrage while everyone else has gone so blasé and accepting.
Of course Greenwald and Hersh have different roles - Hersh is an investigative reporter, while Greenwald is a thinker and blogger analyzing what we know.
But since outrageous revelations in the NY Tiimes disappear in 2 days, we need someone with a megaphone to be repetitive and remind us that all the crap didn't go away just because MSNBC stopped (or never was) talking about it.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 04/07/2012 - 2:56am