MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Many Democrats in the region seem to hate their president
By "Lexington," The Economist, July 7, 2012
A.J. WADE, a lifelong Democrat and one of three elected commissioners who run Hardy County in West Virginia, fiddles with his bolo tie as he tries to explain the results of his party’s presidential primary, back in May. “People here”, he says, “would have voted for Mickey Mouse if he’d been on the ballot.” The fictional rodent was not running, however, so they ended up supporting a much less appealing candidate: Keith Judd, a convict serving a 17-year sentence for extortion in a Texan jail. Mr Judd won 58% of the vote in Hardy County to Barack Obama’s 42%.
Mr Judd’s victory was not a freak result: Democrats in a further nine counties in West Virginia judged a resident of the Federal Correctional Institution in Texarkana a better standard-bearer for their party than the current occupant of the White House. Mr Obama did win the state overall, but not exactly resoundingly: Mr Judd took 41% of the vote, enough to secure at least one delegate to the party’s national convention in September if any had registered on his behalf (none did).
Mr Obama suffered a similar rebuke in neighbouring Kentucky [....]
Comments
I love the picture
'Hey there neighbor, I hope you've got your birth certificate so you can vote for me."
I'm from the government and I'm here to help"
"I was only kidding about guns and religion"
"What's with all the corn mash?"
by Resistance on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 1:44am
Couldn't have anything to do with skin color, now could it? Nawwwwww.
by Ramona on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 5:34am
Well, Ramona - you seem to disagree with me, so I'm going to assume you're racist.
I don't have any real proof of it, but I can't figure out any other reason, so let's just assume you're racist.
And your parents don't seem to like me either, so I'll assume they're racist too.
And these other people around here argue a lot with me and don't seem to like me much, so you know what? I'm going to assume the whole blog's full of racist peckerheads.
Because it couldn't be anything I've done, so it must be they have a problem with Asian-blooded Tatar-Estonian immigrants, the intolerant racist bastards.
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Let's say someone ran for president and wanted to raise the tax on movies and put a heavy surcharge on incoming shipping to counter Chinese production - how popular would that candidate be in Los Angeles?
Imagine a candiate going to Iowa and saying they were going to cut off corn subsidies - both for ethanol and general support - what would the response be there?
Now, Iowa ain't a whole lot black - would you chalk up the response as "racist"? Do you think John McCain or Sarah Palin could threaten subsidies and walk away with ratings intact?
Could anyone threaten the 2 lifelines of the LA basin and keep popularity?
It might be remembered that West Virginia was the state formed from people who refused to secede from the North, who didn't have slaves (those were the ones in the lowlands). So where supposedly did all the racism come from if they didn't import and work blacks as chattel?
Now maybe it's that Obama's seen there as anti-coal, which is like being anti-beer and cheese in Wisconsin. The article notes the regulation of poultry as another difficulty.
But maybe just the insult of "clinging to guns and religion" hasn't worn off, that it's not Obama's skin color, but his foot-in-mouth disease in 2008, with his supporters insisting that a loss in Penn and WVa would be sure proof of racism?
Maybe a region that's been hit hard since 2008 might still hold it against him, and maybe he hasn't felt a need to reach out that hard since Mr.-expert-pollster knows which swing voters he needs to win the election.
Here's an old comment from a Kos reader from WVa - if it's easy for a former resident to assume rampant racism, how about for the rest of us? Just that, assuming don't necessarily make it true.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/05/13/514869/-Racism-in-WV-hot-topic-today
PS - 43% of West Virginia voted for Obama over McCain. Higher than Kansas, Nebraska, Utah, Idaho, Alaska, Oklahoma.
Then again, Georgia voted 47% for Obama and I'm sure the knee-jerk reaction is that Georgia's just another racist state as well. While Indiana, picking Obama by a thread at 49.9% will be God's chosen people. It's so easy to play red state-blue state, my candidate-your candidate.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 8:01am
I'm going on the information that they chose a convict serving (not having served) a 17-year sentence for extortion in Texas over Barack Obama.
That might be normal Democratic behavior to you, but it seems mighty odd to me. Better they would have turned Republican. That would have made more sense.
by Ramona on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 9:28am
God forbid that a real Democrat with a different agenda and set of policies would run against the President in a primary. Democracy would collapse.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 9:37am
So the fact that they chose a convict currently serving 17 years in a Texas prison didn't give you the heebie-jeebies? Didn't make you question their motives even a little bit?
Maybe it wasn't racism. So then what was it?
by Ramona on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 10:22am
They're pissed off at an asshole who told them they were bitter and clinging to guns and religion, who's ignored them except to hurt their 1 major industry - coal/West Virginia, coal/West Virginia, get it?
Some politicians might consider damage control, but this one never feels need to smooth over hurt feelings.
I went skiing one time in West Virginia - the slope was an iced up coal chute. Charming conditions.
by Anonymous PP (not verified) on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 10:49am
So once again. . .I'm not asking you for the reasons why they would vote against Obama. I'm asking you why you think they voted for a man destined to spend the next 17 years in a Texas prison? Was there no one else? What kind of message did that send? Or, as Emma suggests, were the Republican mischief makers out and about?
Seems you just want to spew the Hate Obama talking points without looking at the rest of the story. The talking points we know. The rest of the story, why they chose that particular candidate, is much more interesting--and, unlike the Obama TPs, hasn't yet been told.
by Ramona on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 11:00am
Of course there was no one else.
Democrats have been insistent that no one primary Obama.
So there's pent-up discontent, and Judd just happened to do what he does around the country - get himself on a ballot. "They" didn't choose him - he's done this in Idaho and wherever - he's in jail, he's got a lot of time on his hands, he files paperwork and he's on.
Blaming it on Republicans again misses the point - a lot of Democrats are unhappy, and the candidate is not addressing those concerns.
But if you all want to just contend there's 100% happiness in Shangri-La, that the only dissenters must be from the dark land of Mordor, have at it.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 11:15am
Bit of a stretch, isn't it, just to keep the rant going? Who ever said any such thing?
by Ramona on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 12:36pm
The area that became WVa was generally unsuitable for plantation agriculture and had fewer slaveowners each of whom owned fewer slaves, an average of five or six. The area peaked at 7% slaves in 1850. In most counties, slave population was less than four percent, and some were less than one percent, but the population of Kanawha County, where they extracted salt, was thirteen percent slaves. Neighboring Putnam County was nine percent slaves.
Pockets of antislavery feeling sprung up, but were not widespread. In writing a new constitution, WVa tried to forbid freedmen or new slaves from entering the state, but was forced to adopt a very limited emancipation, with no freedom for any slave over 21, to achieve statehood. Lincoln's Emancipation took care of that. The state government was initially progressive towards former slaves, but was replaced by a government stacked with former confederate soldiers, who separated the races as much as possible.
by Donal on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 9:49am
Thanks. Probably a few chapters more in last 100 years, but gives a good background.
by Anonymous PP (not verified) on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 10:17am
Among registered Democrats there are:
1) those who passionately dislike Obama and would feel so even if he was white as snow and had a name like Joe or Billy or Billy Joe, and would never vote for him in primary if they had alternative candidate to vote for.
2) those who passionately dislike Obama and if he was white as snow and had a name like Joe or Billy or Billy Joe, they would only mildly dislike him and would probably vote for him in a primary if he was the incumbent president, but maybe not.
3) those who passionately dislike Obama simply because he is not white as snow and does not have a name like Joe or Billy or Billy Joe, and would have no problem voting for him if he was a white Billy Joe.
Trying to tease out those who dislike is driven primarily by race from those who find his race as just icing on the cake for their dislike from those who dislike has nothing to do with race is an impossible task. The same would be true when discussing those who voted against Hillary Clinton on the topic of sexism. With that said, there are areas of the country where the kind of racism that drives people to vote against Obama wholly or partly due to his race is more of an issue.
For those who don't want to believe there is an issue I would say watch the video of Richard Trumka from the 2008 election season.
by Elusive Trope on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 10:06am
Yawn. How about Obama bring something to Appalachia besides anti-coal standards and we can worry about racism when we're bored stiff.
Believe it or not, it's the candidate's obligation to give voters a reason to vote for him or her, not the voters' obligation to step up and follow party lines.
And considering how badly he pissed them off last time, you'd think he'd come up with some window dressing to make it looks like he cares. But as Jon Stewart noted, he comes across pretty dicky.
by Anonymous PP (not verified) on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 10:25am
Well, there are those who suffer the consequences of racism who might not want to wait until we're bored stiff. Like it or not, a presidential race is one of the main event in the news media so when social issues like racism pop up, they will get attention because they are related to the main event. Steroids wouldn't be a issue in Congress if it was only impacted bicycle racing.
Of course, voters should not feel obligated to follow party lines. But it is also the voters responsibility as a good citizen to make their choices based on reason and their sense of values. If their decision is being driven wholly or in part by racism, then, according to my values, they are not being good citizens and should be pointed out as a such.
The point of intense racism as a factor (beyond it just being a bad thing), is that it means that there is nothing Obama could do in order to convince them to vote for him. Of course, we would need to have the parallel universe with the Obama candidate of 2012 running - whose administration did everything exactly as Obama's did, the only difference being the candidate is white - to ever know just who is making their choice based primarily or solely on race.
Finally, when Obama does put up the window-dressing to act like he cares, as with the war on drugs, he's bashed for pandering. When he doesn't put the window-dressing up, he bashed for being dicky. Probably Obama's team realizes that in a world dominated by coal, and seeing Obama isn't going to be the darling of the coal industry and those dependent on it (even though he isn't the worse president they can imagine), his energies are best spent elsewhere. In the world of national politics, if someone is going to think you're dicky no matter what, there isn't much a point in trying to get them to dislike you a little less.
by Elusive Trope on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 10:59am
Notice how this article and any others that turn up in a quick search only use percentages. How many actual votes are we talking about? Hardy County's total population is only ~15,000.
My guess, based on the Mickey Mouse comment, is that a bunch of Republicans crossed over to vote in the Democratic primary. Keith Judd is a joke candidate that peaked at just the right time, no doubt with some media assistance.
by EmmaZahn on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 10:19am
Yes, it's a "none-of-the-above" Calugiula's horse vote, and since it doesn't hurt anyone - Judd won't get out of prison, and Obama will still be the nominee - it changes nothing. But the people got a chance to note their displeasure. So we must come back and call them backwards and racist so democracy isn't threatened, cause we can't have people disagreeing with the system - this is the voting we're exporting to the Mideast, so must maintain brand appeal.
by Anonymous PP (not verified) on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 10:46am
Do you deliberately misspell classical names?
FWIW, the mischief of crossover voting can sometimes go wrong, very, very wrong:
by EmmaZahn on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 11:26am
Ouch, no, that one just got away from me. Ca-li-gu-la. Fingers, don't fail me now...
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 1:06pm
Still, even if it was the case that it was GOP voters, I think the author is astute to pick this out to ruminate about (he admits it is academic because Obama is not going to win WV anyways,) as his main conclusion is the last sentence: if Mr Judd can bring almost half of these Democrats along, how many can Mitt Romney muster?
It took me back to thinking about strong preferences for Hillary Clinton over Obama in 2008 primaries in Appalachia.
And how already the political campaigns are focusing on Ohio, Ohio, Ohio.
And how the Obama campaign seems to be working mightily to make sure Romney is branded as a Richie Rich member of the elite, how so far that almost seems to be their main focus (not to mention a past governor of a very Yankee state!)
And how during the 1992 primaries, so many were saying Bill Clinton's the one, because despite his many downsides, he also understands and can communicate to the "good old boys" and girls of the south. And how even further back in time, it was said that Jimmy Carter was the one, for similar reasons, while he's a nerd, he's also a farmer and just look at his brother Billy and his sister Ruth.
And then I got to thinking about race, and I wondered if this type of registered Dem voter (in places where, for example, quoting "Lexington": Democrats have survived in state government only by disavowing the national party, as Messrs Manchin and Tomblin have) hates Nancy Pelosi as much as Barack Obama.
And I got to wondering if this type of Dem voter might crossover and vote for Herman Cain, son of Georgia, if he were the GOP nominee, despite the color of his skin. And I admit I thought: I suspect many of this type of Dem voter found Cain very appealing.
And hence the main campaign battle so far is over how Mitt Romney is perceived.
P.S. I was going to spare you my thoughts about the longtime anti-Fed culture in Appalachia vis-a-vis moonshiners vs "revenuers," but I will admit having them, only because I nixed them myself. It all depends on what the Feds do--see, for instance, the Tenessee Valley Authority.
by artappraiser on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 12:26pm
Ah, yes, whiskey. Long memories in parts of Appalachia over liquor laws. However, I would think the coal-mining regions have different experiences with both private and public enterprises that affected them. The Tennessee Valley is much further south. Like the local lakes created around the same time, it still irks those who think their land was taken unfairly but it benefited many more.
by EmmaZahn on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 12:41pm
It does behoove us to remember acts done from eminent domain and federal overreach when trying to understand the locals - if Hatfield & McCoys lasted generations, some mine collapses and other acts might stick in the craw too. (Ruby Ridge a long way away, but certainly seemed unnecessary, and a typical revenuers vs. 'shiners type confrontation that ended bad)
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 07/10/2012 - 1:03pm