MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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I don't always read or agree with Maureen Dowd, but I do have her on my blogroll and now and then a title grabs me. Yesterday she wrote "Your Tweetin' Heart". Yes, I knew it was going to be about Anthony Weiner, but I read it anyway because sometimes her take on odd things like that is refreshingly different.
She talked not just about Rep. Weiner, but about what has been bothering me for so long about the men (it's been men so far) we liberals count on to help solve the country's problems.
First there was Gary Hart, who practically begged the press to catch him with a babe on a boat and got caught. Bill Clinton fooled around with women (whose appeal caused some real head-scratching for most of us) and got caught. Then it was John Edwards, who co-created a child with a woman who was not his wife and got caught. Now it's Anthony Weiner, who got down and dirty in words and pictures and got caught.
(In earlier times it was FDR, JFK and Lyndon Johnson, but, while rumors flew, they didn't get caught. And who knows how many others there were?)
They were all supposed populists -- my kind of people. Their ability to speak up convincingly for the poor and disenfranchised is what got them where they were. Their inability to tame their penises is what brought them down and ended any chance for us to count on their intelligence, their compassion, their flair for skewering the lies.
Dowd says:
Often powerful men crave more than love and admiration from The Good Wife. Sometimes they want risk, even danger. Sometimes they’re turned on by a power differential. They adore a fan reaction like the one from Lisa Weiss, the Vegas blackjack dealer, who flirted with Weiner on Facebook: “you are sooo awesome when you yell at those fox news” pundits, and “I bet you have so many chicks after you! you are our liberal stud.”
In her book, Elizabeth Edwards wrote that she would have bet her big house that her husband would not fall for a cheesy line like the one Rielle Hunter tossed at him: “You are so hot.”
But clichés work. As Weiner wrote to Weiss: “What are you wearing?”
Meagan Broussard, a 26-year-old college student and single mom from Texas, wrote on BigGovernment.com, conservative Andrew Breitbart’s site, that her relationship with Weiner began when she wrote on his Facebook page that one of his speeches to construction workers was “hot.”
“Within an hour,” she wrote, “we were sending messages back and forth.”
So what is it? What happens there? Isn't the chance at saving the country a big enough ego-driver? What is it about power that makes it such an aphrodisiac? These are all men who worked long and hard to get to the top. They're men who prided themselves on their willingness and their ability to help those who can't help themselves. Their passion for progressive causes made them heroes in the eyes of millions of people. We trusted them to help us move mountains. Was that too much to ask?
Their men, not Gods. I get that. They don't always want to be the Good Guys. But there are easier, more dignified ways to end a career than to self-destruct with your pants down.
So I'm asking: Why? Why do they do it?
Anybody?
Comments
I don't know why we ask "why do they do it?" Why expect extraordinary people to behave in ordinary ways? You don't get to be President by, to borrow a phrase from the Big Dawg, "working hard and playing by the rules." That's just not how it works. You do it by making your own rules in so many areas of your professional and public life, so why wouldn't you also make some of your own rules in your emotional and sexual life, too?
Seems to me that one one hand we reward noncomformists but on the other act all shocked when they don't act just like everybody else. Why did Weiner carry on with women he met on social networks? Because he felt like it and I rather doubt he thought there was anything truly wrong with doing it at the time.
by Michael Maiello on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 11:19am
The key word is "reckless". Who expects extraordinary people to behave like the rest of us? Not me. That's what makes them special--the drive to take chances and take punches along the way. That's what makes heroes.
But when it comes to our so-called leaders and illicit sex acts, part of the thrill seems to be in the chance they'll get caught. That might be okay for Joe blow (sorry), but for major political leaders who've spent their lives working toward that grand goal, it just seems nuts. They're not just self-destructing, they're doing in their followers, too. The people like me who count on them to use their talents for the common good expect more from them than feet of clay. Why do I expect more from them? Because they promised more.
by Ramona on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 11:46am
Ramona, I think all of us have scratched our heads in wonder and disappointment as you are. I particularly felt this way about Bill Clinton. But look at what you say...
Notice what you say here yourself. They take chances; they are risk-takers; that's in part what sets them apart. So it's relatively easy to see how that take on life would pervade more than their political ambitions.
But all that said, I think more politicians DON'T do what these guys have done than do. We just don't remark on the fact that Carl Levin doesn't have a mistress. Or maybe he has and, for whatever reason, no one cares because he hasn't become the political target of many people.
by Peter Schwartz on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 11:55am
I don't follow him that closely, but I don't recall Weiner specifically promising not to send pictures of his ... ummm ... wiener ... to select admirers.
Me, I'm still annoyed by his HCR flip-flop. It's one thing to get whipped into voting for it ... but he went from saying "If this is all we can do, it is better not passing." on Monday to "OMGZ! This is the most awesomest expansive reform ev-var!" on Friday (and ever since). I would have expected him to at least keep fighting to fix the deficiencies.
Having a few racy electronic exchanges? Who gives a damn. If Vitter can weather hiring a hooker to change his *$#~ diaper, Weiner would be a total wiener to just quit. I mean, obviously he's a total political whore ... so why quit over this? He should just ignore the crap out of it for a few months and then take a look at where his constituents are with the whole thing closer to crunch time in deciding if he's going to run again. And maybe stop making dick jokes on his Twitter (or better yet - let someone ghost-twit for him).
by kgb999 on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 3:22pm
Both the hookers associated with Vitter ended up at the end of a noose, too.
by Donal on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 3:29pm
The whole damn thing still creeps me out. I can't believe he's still around.
by kgb999 on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 4:17pm
There's also the numbers angle. Lots of adoring women turning their gaze toward you. More men (and perhaps women) would act this way if they had this number of adoring fans tempting them.
They are rock stars...and we're never shocked when we learn that Mick Jagger has had 69,000 lovers before, during, and after his marriages.
Beyond what Destor says about their making their own rules--or perhaps bending events to their will against incredible odds, often--there's the numbers game.
They are tempted a lotta, lotta times.
by Peter Schwartz on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 11:49am
No, I'm not shocked at rock star sex revelations. Rock stars sell sex. It's more shocking when they don't do it.
These men are government officials, not rock stars. If they're assuming that status, it's a measure of how deep into celebrity addiction we've mired ourselves. Our country is dying around us; the enemy is everywhere, waiting to take our jobs, our money, our rights away from us. The men I've cited here could have gone a long way toward helping us win this battle. Their enemies lie in wait, itching for a chance to take them down. These men know this, and instead of using their heads to keep from ever giving them the chance, they succumb to the inevitable whiff of female pheromones.
It's not as if any of them don't know what they're getting into when they make that first contact. They know exactly what they're getting into, and what the consequences will be, not if but when they get caught, and they do it anyway.
It's not as if they can't look at their wayward peers and see how devastating it is when they're finally brought down. Their downfalls have been splashed all over the planet, to be dragged out and relived whenever a new scandal rears up.
And yet these men who would be heroes dive willingly into the hot sexual soup. I'm looking for a real good reason why.
by Ramona on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 12:55pm
I think Peter may hit on a lot of it. Weiner is a human ... it feels good to feel attractive. I have no idea what Weiner's early life/career was like, but I think there is a chance much it has been devoid of cute ladies actively trying to flirt with him. My take is that he *isn't* a rock star - he strikes me more the life-long geek. It seems a a rock star would have a far easier time just ignoring that sort of thing than an 'oft shunned political geek.
Or maybe he's just a perv and always has been a perv. Who knows?
by kgb999 on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 4:08pm
Narcissism, arrogance, love of power, elite exceptionalist crap (rules don't apply), and this: fear of death?
by we are stardust on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 12:37pm
Yes! Stardust, I love that movie and I love that scene. Saladin almost said "Get over it!". Funny, because that's also one of the more memorable lines in "Moonstruck".
by Ramona on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 1:37pm
;o) Kinda thought you might. D. Ratigan asked his panel about it, and an author on infidelity or something was there saying that any time spent sexting was infidelity. Dunno, but they finally talked about marriage being wrong for some people (agreed) and yada, yada...but no one thought to mention children. It was like they saw the sexual biological imperative (for men mainly?) but didn't factor in family structure and the early necessity for male/protector/provider or however it went. Still, nuclear families do provide some of that, even with the changing nature of families.
"Get over it!" Was that when Cher whacked Cage? Called him a wolfe in a trap? ;o) Still, I don't care so much that the Weiner did it, but that he lied. And lied again.
I learned from some men on my my.fdl weiner diary that many men under forty sext a lot, and are so glad for strong, sexually honest women, though they were al single from the sounds of it. The women, however, were less apt to say they engaged in it, but it's a pretty narrow sample.
by we are stardust on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 2:04pm
Sorry, I didn't get back to this until this AM. Had that kind of day yesterday and too tired last night to even open the laptop. I do understand why men do it, and I frankly don't care what happens between consenting adults. My question was more to why men who ask for and get votes to put them in positions of power, where they could actually do the right thing for an ailing country, take such chances, having to know they're inevitably going to get caught. That's the mystery.
The quote from "Moonstruck" is actually "Snap out of it!" and yes, it's when Cher slaps Cage for telling her he loves her. I realized later that I got it wrong. But I do love that movie!
by Ramona on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 7:16am
I can't wait for the Hallmark/Lifetime movie - A Weiner in the Shadows - A successful, thin career woman is betrayed by the one weiner she thought she could depend on.
by Donal on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 12:44pm
There won't be a single answer that fits for all cases of course. And male politicians are just that males. Men who don't have any power or wealth cheat and otherwise do stupid things in the pursuit of the transitory thrill. But when we look at politicians there are some commonalities - like the numbers game as mentioned by Peter.
There is also the controlled persona factor. Politicians, especially ones like Weiner who go on a lot of the news shows, are constantly having to control everything they say and do pretty much 24/7, or at least when they are out in public or sending anything out in public. There have been a few emails I have sent over the years where a friend and I were joking about something, which if I was politician would have at least caused the damage control crew to work for a few days. I just don't think one can control oneself like that without some kind of dysfunction coming to the surface. In effect, one is for a huge chunk of time not letting oneself be oneself.
We wonder why we get the clowns in politics that we do. But who among us would choose to live that way, to be put under the judgment microscope. Entertainment stars don't have that generally. For many, being bad (and getting caught) is a boost to their career. Or at least it just goes along as before. Hugh Grant was lucky he wasn't a Representative.
This is not to take away any responsibility. They chose the career path. Folks like Weiner chose an outlet that will cost him dearly politically, as it should. As I mentioned before, I don't care if he and some other woman chose to engage in virtual flirting. But the college student, from what I have gleaned, did not. Consequently, in his search to find the thrill, to fullfill some desire of expression, he engaged in an unsolicited sexual "attack" that has definitely caused the victim here harm (if only in the aftermath of being dragged into the media and blogosphere circus she never asked for).
by Elusive Trope on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 12:48pm
I don't read that anything Weiner did would constitute an "attack". That's a little harsh. But no, the young woman didn't deserve to be dragged into the spotlight. I guess I'd place the blame for that on the media folks who can never get enough of sex stories. (Even sex stories without actual sex, when the real thing isn't available.)
It would be difficult living a life so public and so controversial as to have your every move scrutinized and judged (as Weiner does). All the more reason to find his actions baffling. This isn't something he did once and was sorry for. No, he's been doing this for years, racking up contacts who never promised to stay quiet, getting closer and closer to satisfying his enemies with the inevitable slip-up.
It had to happen, and it did, and now he's sorry. Too late.
by Ramona on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 1:57pm
If she had no personal relationship with him prior to the tweet being sent out*, then what he did was pretty darn close to as if he walked up to her, opened his raincoat and flashed what was in the picture. The only difference was that since he wasn't there phyically, she wouldn't also have the added threat of a physical assult. While it was not an attack, it was "attack." Since he did not know her nor her past experience, he could have seriously traumatized her.
* The only information I've seen is that she had never met him nor were they in any personal correspondence.
by Elusive Trope on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 3:49pm
Hmmm.... Why do they do it? .... Because, the office comes with a certain degree of power. and as a society we tend to equate sexuality with power and .,.. oh hell, they all do it because they can. That's all. Sorry, but It's the dog licking his balls explanation. As much as we'd like for there to be a different, more eloquent excuse, there just isn't one.
Perhaps we could cut down on this sort of thing if we stopped voting for the JFK archetype of politician (handsome, lots of hair and youthful vitality) and start voting for older, uglier people (y'know, like Everett Dirkson types.) Or perhaps we could pass some legislation making people legally unable to run for office until their sex drives calm down below a certain level. Campaign commercials would then tout candidates as having inordinately low sex drives, making them ready, willing and able to serve the people.
by MrSmith1 on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 12:51pm
Okay, that made me laugh! And I wanted to stay mad, too. But Anthony Weiner a hunk? He may be a lot of things but -- uh uh. So all it took was for some young thing to call him "hot" and he was off to the races. So there's the paradox: Which is it, the super-ego or the fragile ego that makes them go nuts? Either way, they do their thing and we lose.
by Ramona on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 1:08pm
It is probably that a super-sized ego is by its nature fragile, in constant need of reassurance and support in order to sustain the inflated size.
by Elusive Trope on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 1:15pm
Yeah, I gotta say that I don't go to the gym every day hoping for Anthony Weiner like results... Which might also be why he (and John Edwards and Bill Clinton, for that matter) fell for the flattery.
by Michael Maiello on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 1:16pm
Fellatery?
by quinn esq on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 2:58pm
What people find interesting is that it is self-destructive behavior. If the dog knows the master will beat him with a rolled up newspaper if he gets caught and still does it, then one starts to wonder about the dog. Especially if in everything else the dog does, it does a means to avoid getting beaten by a rolled up newspaper.
by Elusive Trope on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 1:19pm
"Why? Why do they do it? "
Becuase men like women. And if they can't have them (prude/marriage/morals)then they still want to think they can, they at least want to play with them. We all want that. Truth is, if given the chance most men--even our progressive heros--would be like this sleazbag:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/06/06/110606fa_fact_levy
Because we like women. Alot. More than "saving the country"?..no, but all of us should resent that the two often seem mutually exclusive. Liberals in this country are fairly conservative idealists (at least morally,thats why they are liberal), but they want their heros to be morally perfect.
I'd say get over it, but there is an appeal to having the moral high ground. Particularly as we are having our ass handed to us.
by Saladin on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 12:58pm
Yes to your last line. I'm no prude and normally I wouldn't care what they do when they're not at their jobs, but these are the guys who are supposed to be out there helping us fight the politically amoral. As role models, they pretty much suck.
by Ramona on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 1:19pm
Yes, they have a greater responsibility to the rest of us.
by Peter Schwartz on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 8:30am
Why? Because they're men. Even if through the recruiting, vetting, campaigning process you try to weed out the jerks, you still end up with 20% jerks with a sense of sexual entitlement willing to screw their constituents by screwing around.
All I can think of is: recruit more female candidates.
by Cho on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 1:08pm
Good suggestion, Mr. Cho. But are we supposed to take suggestions on sexuality and politics from a man whose daddy (we assume) named him Chubby?
by we are stardust on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 2:50pm
lol. not that kind of chubby. If that is a kind of chubby...
;0)
by Cho on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 7:17pm
Beats me....
by we are stardust on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 7:28pm
As long as I get to be on the recruitment board.
Oh yeeeeeaaaaaaaah.
by quinn esq on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 2:55pm
Ah, I see the problem.
Okay - so only recruit women as recruiters! Problem solved.
oh wait...
by Cho on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 7:19pm
I do not know what the motivations of someone who is sexually over active.
However it is well known that repressed sexuality leads to more horrendous behavior as this article in Psychology Today points out.
by cmaukonen on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 1:29pm
t would prevent irritation that would cause the boy to become a masturbator.
fail....
(I had no idea that those perverted motherfuckers were so explicit...)
by jollyroger on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 5:44pm
Many of our fore fathers were far sicker that anyone around today.
by cmaukonen on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 5:58pm
Ummmm.... Start by filling a body with testosterone. Now put that body on stage, and have lots of women respond by coming up close and saying, "You're hot, powerful, amazing... and I'd like to fuck you."
Gee. Tough to imagine.
The mental leap really isn't that big. Imagine you spent pretty much your entire life working for other people. People less well off. And in the process, gave up a great deal. Including all sorts of nice things - money, time off, a stream of young women - that your intellectual peers and former friends had access to.
Now.... give yourself access. And note that many of these women are not just willing, but actively interested.
Easy to understand, I think.
What I find less easy is the nonsense our society throws at these guys. We're complete hypocrites, and we want to force our hypocrisy on everyone else. the only ones I want to see resign are the ones busily trying to impose their moralistic nonsense on the rest of us. Like Vitter. As far as Weiner goes, no surprise, no big deal, he and his family will sort it out.
End Weiner talk.
by quinn esq on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 2:18pm
Wasn't it JFK who said "What's the point of being President if you cant fuck Marilyn Monroe?"
Which is to say, it's not that having accumulated power men stray--they accumulate power so that they can stray.
by jollyroger on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 5:46pm
Yeah, but what does power tripping have to do with Weiner? In this case, Weiner is just a typical schmoe talking dirty and sending racy pics on the internet in the privacy of his own living room.
by Dan Kervick on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 11:10pm
Unencumbered by any actual data, I'm guessing that until he rose to political success, Weiner was not mobbed by eager female acolytes. Once the Kissenger effect set in (I mean, good grief! If Henry could score top shelf pussy, there's hope for anyone...) he may have perhaps gone kid in candy store nutz. BTW (disclaimer) the JFK quote is completely fabricated.
My broader point, however, (not sure how power tripping applies) is that but for the competition for reproductive access, we wouldn't hardly get out of bed and go to work. (well, me anyway...)
by jollyroger on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:58am
Well stated Quinn, I hope "he and his family will sort it out" .
It is uncomfortable for many, when something becomes public, what should have remained private.
I feel as strongly about public displays of affection, thinking to myself "Get a room"
What you or others do in private, I do not make it my business, but if someone wants me to observe their public displays, they prick my conscence
I do not want to encourage public displays, so that my children are exposed to something I do not wish for them to see.
It was wrong of Briebart to bring humiliation to Wieners Family. It was wrong of him to bring out that which was private so as to invoke or stumble others consciences, in what should have stayed a private matter.
Breibart should be chastised.
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/breitbart-pulls-a-weiner-photo-of-weiners-weiner-hacked-right-out-of-his-hands/politics/2011/06/08/21636
Sexual pleasures should remain private matters "
by Resistance on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 6:50pm
I think Ramona wasn't asking why men like Weiner would want to do stuff like this, but more why would they risk it knowing what fate it usually brings down on them.
And they must know how insecure social media and all that are.
My preferred alternative for him was to make sport of the whole episode; instead he did interviews. Then lied. then cried and repented. I would have felt better about deflecting the questions with absurd humor. The way he did it sorta proved he was ashamed of it. Might even put him in the hypocrite category, IMO. Though come to think of it, Cinton lied, and damn straight he was proud of it all. Who doesn't see Monica under the Resolute desk when they think of him? Seriously.
by we are stardust on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 7:36pm
But fate doesn't usually come down on them like this. You think Weiner is the only guy in the House of Representatives engaging in extra-curricular activity?
by Dan Kervick on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 11:13pm
Ramona pointed out enough cases to ballast her argument; but I seriously have no idea how widespread this is, Dan. About all I can say is I don't find the photos stimulating; mostly funny, and especially thinking of someone taking the pix, then sending them to...arouse a woman. Just.Don't.See.It.
by we are stardust on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 11:25pm
Larry Flynt discovered a few hypocrites
Larry Flynt: Democratic moralist
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/bates/070718
Remember Bob Livingston; would be speaker?
by Resistance on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 11:43pm
It's all that love in their big ol' bleeding hearts that has to find its way out through some orifice.
by The Decider on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 2:33pm
When I find myself in the dumps
And having a very bad day
I just take pictures of my junk
And twitter away
There's really nothin like pics
Of my nether parts
Where I can get my kicks
And appeal to those younger hearts
All this new techs allows
That incredible feeling of being really free
And it all seems to follow
That I gotta be me!
by Richard Day on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 2:54pm
When I find myself in times of trouble,
Mother Mary comes to me....
Now waaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiit a goddamn minute.
Not in THIS blog she ain't.
by quinn esq on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 2:59pm
Hahaha! Dick...ah, I mean Richard...you always come thr...I mean...you always have the right video for the occasion.
by Peter Schwartz on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 5:53pm
I'm not sure why it's such a big mystery. Weiner is just one of a few billion really horny guys on the planet Earth craving the fun and excitement of sexual gratification - something he is programmed to seek by his biological nature - and seeking it through whatever outlets are available.
People act on cravings all the time that have the potential to be bad for them in the long run or short run. Why do people drink alcohol or eat sugary, fatty foods even though these things aren't good for them and can damage their long-term life plans? Well, apparently dirinking alcohol and eating unhealthy but indulgently tasty foods is fun.
Weiner didn't do anything that doesn't happen a few million times a day via the internet.
The real mystery and marvel is how we have managed to create a successful, organized and reasonably disciplined society in which people don't act on their cravings and impulses all the time, but manage to adhere to self-imposed rules most of the time.
by Dan Kervick on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 4:33pm
I tweet to Jill Biden that she's hot all the time and I get squat back.
by Rootman on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 10:24pm
More proof that women should be running things.
by Orlando on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 10:30pm
Are you saying that's her way of saying she likes me? Help me out here.
by Rootman on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 10:34pm
What ever you do ........DONT SEND PICTURES
by Resistance on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 11:15pm
Goddess forgive me for adding these items: Breitbart released the naked photo on Gawker and Huma announced she's pregnant. For crying out loud; we are a messed up society. By the by, the photo was soooo bad it froze Mr. Stardust's computer (I made him look to share the pain...)
(Hint: of no prurient interest; funny, nonetheless.)
by we are stardust on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 10:34pm
Hello, ladies!
Tweet me: http://twitter.com/#!/wolraich
by Michael Wolraich on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:24am
Oops, how do I delete this thing?
by Michael Wolraich on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:25am
Um......WOWZA!
by stillidealistic on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 1:42am
Nice waterfall, dude! ;o)
by we are stardust on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 7:04am
Hello, still waiting for nubile women to twitter-follow me! I'm a powerful and influential dude (with a guido neckchain), and I'm willing to reduce myself to a public sex object. If I have to publish penis pics, I'll do it.
by Michael Wolraich on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 9:35am
Genghis is erect?
by Donal on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 9:43am
If ya lowered the bar from 'nubile'...maybe...or included 'nubile men'...?
by we are stardust on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 9:50am
Man, that surgery must be sweeeeet.
. . . Genghis, circa March 2011
by quinn esq on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 10:42am
I can't say with certitude whether that is my chest.
(Curses! I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for that meddling Breitbart!)
by Michael Wolraich on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:04am
Bob Cesca talks about the Weiner thing, and yes, this is what I was trying to say:
Read more here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/anthony-weiner-scandal_b_873614.html
by Ramona on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 7:57am